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Ego680
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 Posted: Fri, May 28 2010, 0:27 AM |
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Joined: 12 Jul 2008
Location: Flying Battery Zone
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Alright, I have a rather long winded question that is relevant to some character development I'm trying to do. My current understanding of death in the FR is that upon dieing your soul goes to the fugue plane where it mucks around for a bit before either being claimed by your patron deity, or tossed into the wall by Kelmy. Raise dead works by grabbing the soul back before this happens. What happens if upon being summoned back by a raise dead spell, the soul is losing its will to return to the mortal realm?
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Gunz
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Posted: Fri, May 28 2010, 0:38 AM |
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Joined: 01 Jul 2006
Location: The City of Fallen Angels, Ca
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The soul either refuses or accepts the raise. If it refuses it, the person stays dead. The god raising you has the power to take you and return you to life. It's up to you to decide if you want that or not. I would imagine if the soul can't decide if it wants to come back, it just wouldn't be raised by the god raising it. I doubt the gods are going to give you a couple of minutes to think about it. Besides, I imagine they don't ask, it's probably a subconscious thing where the god just knows if you want to be raised or not just by looking at you. They're gods, after all. They would know what you feel about being raised right away, I imagine.
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Logicality
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Posted: Fri, May 28 2010, 1:26 AM |
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Joined: 23 Apr 2008
Location: The Otherworld
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Raise dead will work even if you've gone through the bureaucratic ordeals of death, its only limitation is one day per caster level. But yes, the soul has the choice not to be raised.
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Yurell
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Posted: Fri, May 28 2010, 1:35 AM |
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Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Location: ANU, behind the coffee mug (+10 GMT)
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The only times it doesn't work are:
1. You're body isn't in a good enough condition;
2. It has been too long since you died (day / caster level I believe);
3. You died of old age;
4. You don't want to come back to life;
5. Your soul is trapped magically (such as by the Trap the Soul spell);
6. You're currently, or have been, undead (IIRC).
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Bobo_Underhill
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Posted: Fri, May 28 2010, 2:41 AM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2007
Location: The Drone Star State
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You can, however, resurrect someone who has been undead, after they've been destroyed.
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Ego680
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Posted: Fri, May 28 2010, 2:55 AM |
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Joined: 12 Jul 2008
Location: Flying Battery Zone
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what exactly is the "grace period" for deciding to return to life, does the soul get a few minutes to mull it over? Or does it have to be absolutely instantaneous? The whole idea I was tossing around was that it would take a bit longer for the spell to take effect, not a lot longer, but noticeably so, to reflect the indecision of whether or not it wants to return. Just an idea, obviously if the lore doesn't support it then that's that.
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Yurell
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Posted: Fri, May 28 2010, 2:56 AM |
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Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Location: ANU, behind the coffee mug (+10 GMT)
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I'd presume it's the casting time.
Beyond that, I'm not even sure how time flows in the Fugue Plane. Some planes have time flow differently, so it could be longer or shorter.
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Ego680
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Posted: Fri, May 28 2010, 3:02 AM |
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Joined: 12 Jul 2008
Location: Flying Battery Zone
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o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote: it's probably a subconscious thing where the god just knows if you want to be raised or not just by looking at you. They're gods, after all. They would know what you feel about being raised right away, I imagine. ahh, missed that tidbit, makes sense that that would be the case, I appreciate the feedback.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Fri, May 28 2010, 3:17 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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I assume the soul has precisely as long as it needs to take to decide. It's not the full character, the petitioner is a shell of its former self. You don't strike up full conversations with dead petitioners in fugue, generally.
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Galenson
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Posted: Fri, May 28 2010, 5:10 AM |
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Joined: 26 May 2006
Location: Down Under, calculating your demise with blunt expressions.
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TormakSaber wrote: I assume the soul has precisely as long as it needs to take to decide. It's not the full character, the petitioner is a shell of its former self. You don't strike up full conversations with dead petitioners in fugue, generally. My personal spin on the ordeal is that the fugue plane has a different sense of time to Toril. What's a few seconds could be years for the soul to ponder over the thought of coming back. That's not a canon answer however.
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Silvarus
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Posted: Fri, May 28 2010, 9:44 AM |
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Joined: 23 Sep 2005
Location: Jyväskylä, Finland, Europe
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TormakSaber wrote: I assume the soul has precisely as long as it needs to take to decide. It's not the full character, the petitioner is a shell of its former self. You don't strike up full conversations with dead petitioners in fugue, generally. Correct. Petitioners are vastly different from the living beings they once were. No visiting the planes to chat with dead friends.
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Scimiter
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Posted: Fri, May 28 2010, 11:39 AM |
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Joined: 25 Apr 2009
Location: Canada
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Though it's worth noting that RPwise someone with the Spiritualist job can speak with the dead as according to the job description and confirmed by DM. We made use of it when Dan was dead and refusing to heed the call back to life and made for some really good RP. Course trying to find a Spiritualist is generally hard since it's not a high desired trade
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Fri, May 28 2010, 12:32 PM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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Sounds like a good reason to have one in your faction.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Fri, May 28 2010, 19:33 PM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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The ability to do that and to what extent is going to depend on what DM is around at the time.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sat, May 29 2010, 10:00 AM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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It's pretty basic stuff to communicate with the afterlife. That's the entire premise of shamanism. Whether the communication is with the actual soul in the god's plane, or the spirit and reflection of the physical creature and its memories is another matter, of course.
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