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Uberuce
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Location: Near the bar.
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I think the lad in Wiltun should give you one of them, rather than a few Light Wounds bottles.
Your XP/hour must be utterly miserable, Selvec. Expertise at level 4 vs Trolls with their Regen? Hell no.
If anyone needs me I'll be Great Cleave-chaining gobs and rats....
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Kjetta
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Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2009, 10:39 AM |
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Uberuce wrote: Your XP/hour must be utterly miserable, Selvec. Expertise at level 4 vs Trolls with their Regen? Hell no.
If anyone needs me I'll be Great Cleave-chaining gobs and rats....
It's much cooler to be an adventurous, bold adventurer than an efficient one! Go Selvec, down with Uce! _________________ To err is human; to forgive divine, but VENGEANCE IS MINE!
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Ts_
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Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2009, 10:52 AM |
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Go efficiency! Down with stubbornness and egocentric wannabees!
Btw, shouldn't Trolls hit through the 5/+1 reduction Ghostly Visage provides? (The 10% concealment still remains, of course.)
Regards, Ts
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Yurell
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Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2009, 11:26 AM |
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Ts_ wrote: Btw, shouldn't Trolls hit through the 5/+1 reduction Ghostly Visage provides? (The 10% concealment still remains, of course.)
The didn't when I was doing there, so I assumed they weren't supposed to.
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Dev Disco
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Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2009, 11:30 AM |
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HRM Chicken I of Amia
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: Amsterdam
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I'll change the boy so he gives you a Ghosty potion.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2009, 11:48 AM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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Uberuce wrote: I think the lad in Wiltun should give you one of them, rather than a few Light Wounds bottles.
Your XP/hour must be utterly miserable, Selvec. Expertise at level 4 vs Trolls with their Regen? Hell no.
If anyone needs me I'll be Great Cleave-chaining gobs and rats....
It is, but my play philisophy is rarely ever "Play to Win". I like to explore and have grand quests. Some of the most enjoyable rp's I have ever taken part in have been low level treks into area's with Challenging to Impossible level creatures. Most of them have been completely PC driven also.
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Selmak
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Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2009, 15:13 PM |
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I would argue that with Expertise, you gain five points of AC and that makes quite a bit of difference at lower levels. There are times that you don't need it, particularly if you use a shield or heavy armour, but in those cases where it does keep you alive you should probably have enough STR to overcome the -5 to attack.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2009, 16:56 PM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Location: Near the bar.
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Kjetta wrote: It's much cooler to be an adventurous, bold adventurer than an efficient one! Go Selvec, down with Uce! You get the coolness, I get the levels and loot? Sold! To the electrical appliance in the Tom of Finland cop outfit!
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2009, 17:03 PM |
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Selmak wrote: I would argue that with Expertise, you gain five points of AC and that makes quite a bit of difference at lower levels. There are times that you don't need it, particularly if you use a shield or heavy armour, but in those cases where it does keep you alive you should probably have enough STR to overcome the -5 to attack.
And then it turns off midround because you stepped 3 inches and you get hit and get hit and you die and get eaten.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2009, 21:14 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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Always hated that about expertise. a monster can push you and it turns off and you die
Monster sounds!
*nomnomnomnomnom*
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hendrack
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Posted: Fri, Jun 12 2009, 21:52 PM |
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Location: Vienna
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I'd rather wait for a good party than waste feats. You take dirty fighting too for lower levels? 
You can explore without gimping your char.
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Dwagin
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Posted: Sat, Jun 13 2009, 3:06 AM |
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Location: The Land of Nod
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hendrack wrote: I'd rather wait for a good party than waste feats. You take dirty fighting too for lower levels? You can explore without gimping your char. Quote: To qualify as a weapon master, a character must fulfill all of the following criteria:
Base attack bonus: +5
Feats: dodge, mobility, expertise, spring attack, weapon focus in a melee weapon, and whirlwind attack
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ticket
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Posted: Sat, Jun 13 2009, 3:25 AM |
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Expertise on a barbarian doesn't sound good imo.
Unless going for WM I guess... rather tough with the number of feats.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jun 13 2009, 4:12 AM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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Not to mention I never said it was a good build.
Which is why I immediatly rebuilt the character and did exactly the same thing WITHOUT expertise. So nyeh!
But it was basically an example of how using different tactics can achieve the same result. The "Rush head on" tactic isn't always the best.
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hendrack
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Posted: Sat, Jun 13 2009, 18:09 PM |
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Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Location: Vienna
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Dwagin wrote: Quote: To qualify as a weapon master, a character must fulfill all of the following criteria:
Base attack bonus: +5
Feats: dodge, mobility, expertise, spring attack, weapon focus in a melee weapon, and whirlwind attack Selvec Darkon wrote: Not to mention I never said it was a good build.
Which is why I immediatly rebuilt the character and did exactly the same thing WITHOUT expertise. So nyeh!
But it was basically an example of how using different tactics can achieve the same result. The "Rush head on" tactic isn't always the best.
Never built a WM myself, mind that lapse. Anyhow, theres a fine line getting pretty much useless feats as class requirement or getting them to gimp your char. The RP argument for exploring doesnt fly when someones even rebuilding.
But Selvec is right differnt tactics can be used in many situations. Are they efficient? Not always.
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Selmak
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Posted: Sun, Jun 14 2009, 1:04 AM |
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TormakSaber wrote: Selmak wrote: I would argue that with Expertise, you gain five points of AC and that makes quite a bit of difference at lower levels. (snip) And then it turns off midround because you stepped 3 inches and you get hit and get hit and you die and get eaten. If you take Expertise then you take that risk. Generally though if you're a frontline or solo fighter using Expertise you're not going to need to move unless you need to attack a ranged opponent. So long as you actually click to attack that enemy though, Expertise ought to stay turned on when changing target. If it doesn't you can mash the hotkey button while your character is running to stab that annoying archer in the face.
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Ts_
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Posted: Thu, Jul 02 2009, 15:29 PM |
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Yes, a brand new area in Caraigh! Again! Get your low-B fix here! Misty potions as quest "p"rewards! Awesome landscapes, awesome people, and even more awesome everywhere!
Are you ready for the all-new Bdventure!?
Let's rock the party ball!
@Disco, in the south west corner of the new area, there is a camp fire floating above a cliff. And the area could use a climatic ending, imho. Maybe move the orc slightly and give him some dialogue with options like "free, kill, interrogate, ignore" with no big consequences, but simply for the experience of having interacted with an Orc in some other way than combat? When lowbies go there, they might have never seen an Orc before.
Regards, Ts
PS: Yes, this was partially a bump.
PPS: No, this thread is not about expertise.
edit: fixed typo
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Selmak
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Posted: Thu, Jul 02 2009, 23:37 PM |
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Seems like everyone but a few hates Bmia tonight. Seems that way.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Thu, Jul 02 2009, 23:38 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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I want to get into A so I can get my precious triumvir sword and set up a shop But currently its at 67/65 somehow I was at B and didnt see anyone at all in Wiltun. _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Selmak
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Posted: Thu, Jul 02 2009, 23:58 PM |
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GreatPigeon wrote: I was at B and didnt see anyone at all in Wiltun.
Apart from me. Hi there, by the way.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Fri, Jul 03 2009, 0:11 AM |
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Location: London, UK
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XD I was in just exploring things around there ended up in the isle of Mystra.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Fri, Jul 03 2009, 4:17 AM |
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Location: London, UK
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Was on B for better part of an hour and not once did anyone under level 10 log in, i kept logging out to check their level. BOGUS... Kinda hard to level thataways ya know.. Completelt alone level 4... sure I can kill things in 1 hit most the time.. but therei s 6-8 in a spawn thats even 2hitting me each round for 4-5...
I tried using those belts but because the goblin/wolf spawns are varied. they have archers (piercing) casters (magic) smashers (bludgeoning) wolves (slashing) Hard to wear the right belt for the job
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Cori
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Posted: Fri, Jul 03 2009, 4:29 AM |
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Joined: 10 Aug 2005
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Ghostly potions. No belt even needed. Though it's a bonus.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Fri, Jul 03 2009, 4:40 AM |
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Want to tell me how you can afford that at level 4? I have like 700 gold, Enough for 1, and then you pray you find another. Need a damn party _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Teufel Eldritch
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Posted: Fri, Jul 03 2009, 4:50 AM |
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700 gold? Get a job ya bum!  But seriously..get a job. Even the lowest paying ones can provide you with extra cash.
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Cori
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Posted: Fri, Jul 03 2009, 6:22 AM |
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Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Buy 1 then, and use it right as you start fighting. Keep fighting until it runs out, then leave, and you should be able to buy a handful, and maybe a gear item.
That's how I did it.
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Ts_
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Posted: Fri, Jul 03 2009, 8:42 AM |
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Re: Ghostly visage
GreatPigeon wrote: Want to tell me how you can afford that at level 4? I have like 700 gold, Enough for 1, and then you pray you find another. Need a damn party :( Uberuce wrote: I think the lad in Wiltun should give you one of them, rather than a few Light Wounds bottles. And, volière, the Disco chicken changed that a while ago. If you've already accepted the "People under the Stairs" quest, you're out of luck, but otherwise you now get 3 potions of ghostly visage (2), I believe. That's not a lot (only 6 minutes in total), but it can get you started, and is a good pointer at what you should buy a.s.a.p. ;) Re: GreatPigeon wrote: Was on B for better part of an hour and not once did anyone under level 10 log in
I know perfectly how that feels. But the point of this thread is to make things better. So don't lose faith just yet. :)
By the way, I don't think a job is the best solution because job ranks are valuable and lowbie levels pass one way or another ... ;)
And, good news everyone, about 7 people RPed in Nesek yesterday, including one level 5.
Regards, Ts
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Fri, Jul 03 2009, 11:56 AM |
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Location: London, UK
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I dontknow the people under the stairs quest, onyl early quest I know on B is the letter deleivery BS.
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Ts_
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Posted: Fri, Jul 03 2009, 12:35 PM |
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GreatPigeon wrote: I dontknow the people under the stairs quest, onyl early quest I know on B is the letter deleivery BS.
You need to find the boy that hides somewhere in the fortress. It's not very hard to find him, but the quest can be dangerous when you're by yourself, as always.
Regards, Ts
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maglorine
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Posted: Fri, Jul 03 2009, 14:49 PM |
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It's not dangerous if you use one of the potions he gives you. You get that before going downstairs to complete the quest. I got a stack of 5 potions BTW.
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Ts_
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Posted: Fri, Jul 03 2009, 15:32 PM |
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Oh? *blames his memory* I only did it once after it was changed. So those potions are (checks CL list) 3 minutes each. 15 minutes of ghostly visage in total should definitely get you started! Go, B!
Regards, Ts
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Ts_
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Posted: Thu, Jul 09 2009, 13:58 PM |
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Oh my goodness ... even more new things to discover on B! Nothing beats running into an area you think you know very well, finding a planar rift, and *bam* you're ... at the same spot! Or are you? Thanks, even if it's been like that for a few weeks now!
And I need to check out yet another new lowbie area. Hurrah!
Regards, Ts
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Dev Disco
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Posted: Thu, Jul 09 2009, 14:12 PM |
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HRM Chicken I of Amia
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: Amsterdam
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Hehe. Yes, I do add new areas now and then. Cori also has a few things in store, I think...
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Ts_
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Posted: Thu, Jul 09 2009, 19:57 PM |
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Oh, I like the new indoor area! The outdoor area encourages rope usage ... and did you do something to the Orc in the old new area? Was that fighting Orc raider always there? That kind of makes more sense to me now.
Regards, Ts
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Cori
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Posted: Thu, Jul 09 2009, 20:44 PM |
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Joined: 10 Aug 2005
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Dev Disco wrote: Hehe. Yes, I do add new areas now and then. Cori also has a few things in store, I think...
Half done. Working on teh other half right now, actually. _________________ Role with the Punches...
Elan: A 10% chance is pretty unlikely, but everyone knows that a one-in-a-million chance is a sure thing!
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melfsmite
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Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2009, 0:41 AM |
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I started playing Amia A when it was busy and switched to Amia B when it became insane and I had a few friends want to join in.
We started characters on Amia B and found the new goblin area on my second character.
Yes the is not as much diversity for low levels on B, but it is still very good. I personally like the "jobs" availability and accessibility there -- another source of valuable early experience and fun for later.
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Dev Disco
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Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2009, 7:15 AM |
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HRM Chicken I of Amia
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
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Ts_ wrote: Oh, I like the new indoor area! The outdoor area encourages rope usage ... and did you do something to the Orc in the old new area? Was that fighting Orc raider always there? That kind of makes more sense to me now.
Regards, Ts
You mean the orc with the gobbo on his back?
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Ts_
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Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2009, 7:24 AM |
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It all happened so fast, Mr. officer!
I didn't notice the goblin on his back. I just saw "Orc rider/raider?" and killed it. (Reset was in 20 seconds.) The very first time I was there I didn't even notice the fighting orc, and wondered why there was a drugged Orc. So now I wondered if you had changed anything. That's also the explanation for my comment about that drugged Orc being anti-climatic a few posts up. I just missed the climax ...
Regards,
Ts
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Dev Disco
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Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2009, 7:29 AM |
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HRM Chicken I of Amia
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: Amsterdam
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Haha. That orc is just cattle to the goblins.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2009, 7:52 AM |
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A work of art.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Yurell
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Posted: Fri, Jul 10 2009, 8:28 AM |
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Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Location: ANU, behind the coffee mug (+10 GMT)
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That's actually rather amusing.
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