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TheUltimateSin
 
PostPosted: Mon, Jun 22 2009, 19:49 PM 



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Why do clerics use edged weapons? I thought they were disallowed from using them.

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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 22 2009, 19:54 PM 

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That's a stupid rule from previous editions. Luckily it was removed in 3e, because it made absolutely no IC sense.

I guess it was fitting for when clerics were automatically goodly healers. Well, it wasn't fitting really, because bludgeoning weapons can do nastier damage than blades, but I think that was the rationale. Also, I guess it was supposed to define party roles clearer, the cleric being stuck with poorer weapons than the fighter but using them with great efficiency against undead. It seems reasonable from a game design PoV, but then the game grew and everything had to be facilitated. Sometimes, it was a bad thing, but I think in this case it only makes IC sense.

The second paragraph is just speculation. I'm sure someone from those days could comment better.

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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 22 2009, 19:58 PM 

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Clerics can use any weapon they have the proficiency for these days.

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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 22 2009, 20:12 PM 

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In fact, lots of deities have edged favored weapons. Torm's is the greatsword, for example.


 
      
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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 22 2009, 20:57 PM 

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Made it easy to see who were clerics though. All had those sexy maces.

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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 22 2009, 21:00 PM 

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warhammer ftw!


 
      
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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 23 2009, 6:37 AM 

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ShortSlasher wrote:
warhammer ftw!

Warhammer or War hammer? :P

Also, 50% bonus damage vs undead? Sure is nice.

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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 23 2009, 7:01 AM 

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It's not really bonus damage, it's jsut not hitting a resistance, and it's generally only for skeletal undead. >.>

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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 23 2009, 7:36 AM 

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They just stole the idea of Middleage Europe. Priests we're not allowed to wield swords so when they went off to war thay used weapons such as maces and warhammers


 
      
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PostPosted: Tue, Jun 23 2009, 7:39 AM 

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Hence the creation of Paladin, so people had a nice little mix :D

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Nex_addo wrote:
They just stole the idea of Middleage Europe. Priests we're not allowed to wield swords so when they went off to war thay used weapons such as maces and warhammers


Christianity will do this.. but yes.

Priests were forbidden to spill blood, and hence used blunt weapons.

*cough*

So they didn't spill blood, they SPLATTERED IT.

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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 26 2009, 14:34 PM 



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I read an IC explanation of it once, I believe it was either Pools of Radiance Trilogy, or Darkwalker Trilogy where it was explained to a young priest why he was supposed to use a warhammer instead of an edged weapon. It was something to do with an edged weapon causing the priest to be more concerned with the sharpness of his blade than the power of his diety or something like that. I lost the books like 20 years ago so I can't remember.

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The 1e PHB entry for Clerics (p.20) says that "this class of character bears a certain resemblance to religious orders of knighthood of medieval times. [...] All are likewise forbidden to use edged and/or pointed weapons which shed blood."

The 2e PHB repeats the above for the 'generic' cleric, but notes that "not all mythoi are opposed to the shedding of blood. Indeed, some require their priests to use swords, spears, or other specialized weapons" (p.34).

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 28 2009, 4:01 AM 

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However each diety has a favored weapon thier priesthood generally use


 
      
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What is Hoar's favored weapon?

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 28 2009, 4:24 AM 

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Accoring to nwn2's favoured soul class, Hoar's favoured weapon is the spear.

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 28 2009, 4:31 AM 

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shar's favorite weapon is the chirkum or something like that. However I dislike the "deity weapon" thing, There is lore however on weapons that the various churches use often, almost all of it is from 2nd edition though.

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 28 2009, 5:22 AM 

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Chakram.

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PostPosted: Sun, Jun 28 2009, 12:23 PM 

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GreatPigeon wrote:
What is Hoar's favored weapon?


Javelin actuallly. But spear is closest.

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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 1:41 AM 

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Maces would be better in NWN if they looked like maces. You know, this
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Flanged maces are awesome.

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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 2:14 AM 

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Heh, thats almost exactly what my Priestess of Mitra's mace looks like in AoC.

Ahhh, so much good gore !

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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 2:37 AM 

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GreatPigeon wrote:
What is Hoar's favored weapon?


Well Keri uses a Rapier.. wait you meant what is hoars favorite weapon.. not what is a hoars favorite weapon


 
      
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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 3:15 AM 

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Really Evil Pigeon wrote:
GreatPigeon wrote:
What is Hoar's favored weapon?


Well Keri uses a Rapier.. wait you meant what is hoars favorite weapon.. not what is a hoars favorite weapon


Ah somehow I knew this was gonna come up.

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Selvec Darkon wrote:
Maces would be better in NWN if they looked like maces. You know, this
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Flanged maces are awesome.



Even better. If morningstars looked like this:

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I bet there's an overide out there somewhere.

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I want javelins. How come NwN never implemented throwing spears, and one handed spears for the staple shield+spear combo?

Or even more awesome: Pikes with shield possibility. Phalanx, muahahaha.

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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 15:22 PM 

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Galenson wrote:

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I bet there's an overide out there somewhere.


Yes!

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Selvec Darkon wrote:
Even better. If morningstars looked like this:

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I watched this thing do some ridiculous things to a head on the tv show deadliest warrior. Made me all giddy seeing all that carnage. Seriously devastating weapon.

http://www.spike.com/video/knight/3157107

// edited and stands corrected.

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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 16:03 PM 

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I can send you a stripped down version of my override file. It is 99% PG-13 and has a whole shitload of stuff that really improves your experience. it also has the maces you see above.

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A Morning Star is really just a club with a heavy, spiked end. It's a misnomer, the thing with the chain is the Military Flail.


 
      
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why would we want a stripped down version?

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fireprooftroll wrote:
I can send you a stripped down version of my override file. It is 99% PG-13 and has a whole (censored) of stuff that really improves your experience. it also has the maces you see above.


Id be down for that minus the PG version, Im 20, I can look at all the R I want :D

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har, you and the rest of the horny little men who have been PMing me.

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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 17:48 PM 

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LOL, I dont care about pixelated porn... thats just wierd. If taht gets yall off, its a good think you play online, because women are gonna be wierded out by it.

My override has lots of errors in it adn such, I downloaded lots of them but never seem to work for me.

And for anyone really wanting pixel porn... dude... change the site your on, much better porn elsewhere. *shakes head in disgust*

And Just to tease... I dont need porn, My apartment has a swimming pool and college girls *wink*

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PostPosted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 18:05 PM 

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And yet here you sit, Mr. Alpha Male.

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TormakSaber wrote:
And yet here you sit, Mr. Alpha Male.



Ooohhh... He got you there.

And btw, who was talking about pixel porn anyway? *scratches head* We were talking about weapon overrides.

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TormakSaber wrote:
And yet here you sit, Mr. Alpha Male.


Touché

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Arcane Crusader wrote:
TormakSaber wrote:
And yet here you sit, Mr. Alpha Male.



Ooohhh... He got you there.

And btw, who was talking about pixel porn anyway? *scratches head* We were talking about weapon overrides.


@Tormak --- ooo burn xD My window overlooks the pool, and Its kinda nasty overcast day, I normally go down there for a couple of hours a day, and im addicted to hulu right now.

@Crusader --- Reffering to his comment about not giving entire folder to keep it pg-13

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Great Pigeon wrote:
..and im addicted to hulu right now.


Don't you mean Lulu.. or Jessica.. or Sammantha.. or all of them? :P

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Vedran the Mad wrote:
Great Pigeon wrote:
..and im addicted to hulu right now.


Don't you mean Lulu.. or Jessica.. or Sammantha.. or all of them? :P


As in www.hulu.com

I never seen pictures of any of those people anyhow :D

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hahaha

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Check out Auril's favored weapons!

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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 13:31 PM 

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"Those look as if you could stab someones eyes out with."
*grabs head and breast thrusts*
"AAARGHHH!"

only question, is that an AOO or not?

And can you get weapon focus breast?

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please lock this thread as it has completely derailed

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