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Silent2001 wrote:

Alts and You

Players are limited to having one character in one specific faction. This means:

Players cannot have multiple alts in the same faction.
Alts may still be part of separate factions.
Characters can still belong to more than one faction.

We are esablishing this rule to curb any chance of your characters directly interacting with one another which is against the rules. We will be enforcing this rule in the coming weeks so those of you that do have, say, more than one paladin in the Order of Kohlingeneers can make the appropriate IC moves to remove them.

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A faction is: Any group that wishes to be formally recognised by the DM team for future perks such as an in game area or subforum, drow houses, city councils, secret societies, religious Factions, etc.

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Faction leaders, as always, still have the power to refuse entry to any character or player for any reason be it IC or OOC.

This one should go over way more successfully than trying to pigeon-hole Palemasters and RDDs!

Uh-oh...

I AM MACH, AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE!

This rule makes a lot of sense.

I almost feel that incest is harmless compared to having a character in every faction, but not doing either strikes me as common sense, so huzzah anyways.

Without this rule, I could be my own Drow House!

Sounds like it will work well, especially in part with DM events when people are asked to pick one side of the fence if they have an alt on the opposing side to the character they're currently involved with, in said event, for the whole conflict of interests thing and may encourage more time put in to a certain character for longer periods, than dividing time between alts all the time. I know I've been one to hop between characters more than I should in the past and it wasn't much good for developing them, really, so I know first hand even just select sets of time to spend longer on one character can have a nice impact.

You are your own Drow house you incestuous bint.

Yossarin wrote:

Without this rule, I could be my own Drow House!

True, but that'd be one disjointed drow house since your characters should never directly interact. You'd need at least one other person to be your go between so you could order yourself flogged for disobeying yourself as matron.

It still makes me twitch more seeing alts in opposing factions. This brings a scenario to mind.

Lets say Redd and co in Barak Runedar find out it's the Triad's fault their mead is weak this year and think it's time to curb stomp some Kohlingers. While my dwarf and my paladin can't actually curb stomp each other, obviously, is there any official ruling on how alts should be used for those of us with paladins and dwarves?

I've been thinking about suggesting this rule for some time now. I've always found it to be a conflict of interest when people have multiple toons in the same faction. On another server I used to play on, it was rule that a player could not have toons in multiple factions. I know this sound a bit hardcore, and maybe depreciates the potential for RP, but it really does cut down on the potential and possibility for accidental metagame, and also curbs altitis to a certain extent too as it would take away another avenue for someone to even make a new toon.

There would be several schools of thought for sure, but in my own opinion, this can only be a win in the long run. Good play, guys and gals

This is fine. Never understood the appeal in having multiple characters belonging to the same group. The whole thing with.. referencing something an alt of yours did is pretty tacky.

erroch wrote:

It still makes me twitch more seeing alts in opposing factions. This brings a scenario to mind.

That is actually a matter to take up with the faction leader because it is his/her decision. I refused/dismissed several people in the Grove for this reason.

And the consequences of NOT following this rule...?

erroch wrote:

Yossarin wrote:

Without this rule, I could be my own Drow House!

True, but that'd be one disjointed drow house since your characters should never directly interact. You'd need at least one other person to be your go between so you could order yourself flogged for disobeying yourself as matron.

It still makes me twitch more seeing alts in opposing factions. This brings a scenario to mind.

Lets say Redd and co in Barak Runedar find out it's the Triad's fault their mead is weak this year and think it's time to curb stomp some Kohlingers. While my dwarf and my paladin can't actually curb stomp each other, obviously, is there any official ruling on how alts should be used for those of us with paladins and dwarves?

It was discussed but I think we should leave it up to the individual player to make the call. Ideally players shouldn't be fighting on both sides of the fence. Ideally.

Very_Svensk wrote:

And the consequences of NOT following this rule...?

Warning. Failure to adhere to the rule a second time would be a temporary ban. Failure to adhere a third time would be a longer ban. It depends entirely on the circumstances.

Considering how faction relations change over time, it's rather impossible to make a fair rule about opposed factions anyhow.

I've removed folks or disallowed entry for this rival faction thing. So huzzah.

Silent2001 wrote:

Very_Svensk wrote:

And the consequences of NOT following this rule...?

Warning. Failure to adhere to the rule a second time would be a temporary ban. Failure to adhere a third time would be a longer ban. It depends entirely on the circumstances.

Add what you just wrote to the newly implemented rule post.

GreatPigeon wrote:

I've removed folks or disallowed entry for this rival faction thing. So huzzah.

I let people join. Then i persuaded them to stop playing their OTHER character. Win win

Why? Doing so makes the post aggressive and threatening, which isn't the tone the Amian DMs have ever taken, or should ever strive to take.

Laws should make you think twice about doing things, no?

Amarice-Elaraliel wrote:

erroch wrote:

It still makes me twitch more seeing alts in opposing factions. This brings a scenario to mind.

That is actually a matter to take up with the faction leader because it is his/her decision. I refused/dismissed several people in the Grove for this reason.

Having an OOC discussion beforehand is a good idea. Keeping opposing faction characters apart is tricky at best. I've turned down the job of intermediary between two characters played by the same player. It can be a right mess.

Not everyone needs a sufficiently high punishment to deter them from breaking rules, Svensk.

What Derk said. This rule is completely different to say, muling, or metagaming. So I'll put emphasis on "it depends on the circumstances."

DerkDerkistan wrote:

Not everyone needs a sufficiently high punishment to deter them from breaking rules, Svensk.

+1

Peace through power. . . And fear!

Silent2001 wrote:

It was discussed but I think we should leave it up to the individual player to make the call. Ideally players shouldn't be fighting on both sides of the fence. Ideally.

Thanks!

I've been wholly handling things on an IC only basis and just giving people the benifit of the doubt. I'd been told a few conflicting things and figured this was a good time to get an official response.

I never pay much attention to the player names and know a few folks who obscure their alts through different gamespy ID's so unless someone owns up it's impossible for a player to enforce anyway.

Very_Svensk wrote:

Peace through power. . . And fear!

Svensk for DM.

Yossarin wrote:

Very_Svensk wrote:

Peace through power. . . And fear!

Svensk for DM.

New official DM motto - What would bane do?

Fungineer replaced by feargineer.

New wits amd wisdom quote "You may NOT stop playing Amia"

Very_Svensk wrote:

Fungineer replaced by feargineer.

Nah, I vote for SCREEgineer.

But I am for: "You may NOT stop playing Amia"

Silent2001 wrote:

Faction leaders, as always, still have the power to refuse entry to any character or player for any reason be it IC or OOC.

<3

Huzzah for the new rules!

I never saw the issue with alts in an opposing faction. We're all adults here, if that's something you have to worry about we've fundamentally screwed up somewhere along the lines in being a roleplay server. All in all huzzah this sounds.. reasonable.

What is going to be the situation if you already have +1 chars in a faction? Will there need to be RP justification or can you just "yoink" them and pretend it never happened?

Noone is allowed to play two people who are in any way shape or form related to one another either!

Silent2001 wrote:

We will be enforcing this rule in the coming weeks so those of you that do have, say, more than one paladin in the Order of Kohlingeneers can make the appropriate IC moves to remove them.

Strawberry Stallion wrote:

Noone is allowed to play two people who are in any way shape or form related to one another either!

Yes you are. It's just frowned on.

I KNOW, I KNOW.

Makes sense. Maybe now some faction secrets can remain secrets for a while longer.

Then they came for the faction alt players, and I said nothing, because I was not a faction alt player...

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Lets say Redd and co in Barak Runedar find out it's the Triad's fault their mead is weak this year and think it's time to curb stomp some Kohlingers.

I approve! Never mess with a dorf's ale, not to mention an entire citadel's ale supply. This means war!!

But seriously, I've often wondered how long it would be till a ruling like this was given. To me it just makes more sense. If I were in a position of authority here, god help you all if I were, I would have pushed for this long ago. I'm such a tyrant I would also push for a maximum number of characters allowed by some measure. Copious amounts of Alts are the bane of the Forgotten Realms and RP servers everywhere! hehe

This ruling has effectively reduced the citadel's played population a bit. Gul has a couple dwarves, I had a couple dwarves, as well as a couple others. I already killed Gunderlag off during the siege battle, Reddok will now need to come up with a reason to send poor lil Qenwick home. Yet I support this ruling. I usually do keep a pair of staggered lower level Alts to help friends and faction members find folks to run with. I will have to make a couple new non-dwarf ones not within the Barak Runedar faction to keep legit. Don't see that happening real soon as Gunny and Qen were rarely played as it was.

I have always been concerned with a character belonging to multiple factions. Course I usually play dwarves, my mains usually are honorable and extreme loyalists like Reddok, just ask poor poor Zelly the grief she's been through over Red's ideals. Has been a bumpy road between them on that front.

I am also appreciative of the fact we can deny would be faction members based on OOC reasons as well. I've had to deal with this on a previous server, a woman was trying to join our faction while she had multiple characters in all, and I mean ALL, the other factions good, evil, and otherwise. When I raised OOC concerns about this stating I always prefer our players be dedicated to their character within our faction for the betterment and enjoyment of everyone within the faction. She blew a freaking gasket! It was like I called her mother and little sister 2 bit whores. I was lucky a DM was lurking in on our conversation, what ensued was a couple months of hostile emails and threats against our faction. Since she was buddy's with the woman being in charge fell upon, she then went on to become a DM and effectively ran off my entire faction one by one by harassing them and lying. I didn't play NWN again for a couple years, reinstalled NWN1 after getting the itch again, and found Amia.

Be kind to your fellow players Amians...

I doubt cities count as factions, though.

I think I am gonna lose my two main hunting partners because of you. :evil:

Pony in my Kraut wrote:

I think I am gonna lose my two main hunting partners because of you. :evil:

If you are talking about who I think you are, nah. They just need to leave thier houses ;p

Naivatkal wrote:

Pony in my Kraut wrote:

I think I am gonna lose my two main hunting partners because of you. :evil:

If you are talking about who I think you are, nah. They just need to leave thier houses ;p

Then I have to hunt them down... wait a minute, then I can also steal their gear. I love this change.

Pony in my Kraut wrote:

Naivatkal wrote:

Pony in my Kraut wrote:

I think I am gonna lose my two main hunting partners because of you. :evil:

If you are talking about who I think you are, nah. They just need to leave thier houses ;p

Then I have to hunt them down... wait a minute, then I can also steal their gear. I love this change.

You see? Obi-Wan was right. It's all a matter of perspective. :twisted:

Err? I could have sworn this was already a rule...

Yeah, kinda shocked us, too.

You can still have two Cordorian citizens or two Kohlingeners?

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:arrow: Faction leaders, as always, still have the power to refuse entry to any character or player for any reason be it IC or OOC.

Apologies for being slightly tangential, but I'm curious: is there a formal definition of "faction leader"? If the above is among the criteria, then nobody on an elected Council would qualify, as nobody in the faction has any control over who gets elected.

Oh god, not another new rule!

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