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Vhalus_VoA wrote:

Glyph wrote:

stop, now, both of you, before this gets ugly.

I am not going to stop it, I have been verbally (textually?) assaulted and I want the post deleted and the accusations investigated if pigeon will not withdraw them so I can clear my name.

Is this really the best venue for this? Unless it has something to do with builds, take it to PMs or take it up with a DM.

Make a sorc/paladin.

I'll giggle.

davis114 wrote:

Make a sorc/paladin.

I'll giggle.

*cough* Paladin/Sorc/RDD... paladin of..bahamut.

But. yeah. no. I'll get smote by someone. ..smited? ..smitened? ...hmm.

Horus wrote:

davis114 wrote:

Make a sorc/paladin.

I'll giggle.

*cough* Paladin/Sorc/RDD... paladin of..bahamut.

But. yeah. no. I'll get smote by someone. ..smited? ..smitened? ...hmm.

Smitened... and it'll probably be Xavi that does it.

Horus wrote:

Thinking about dipping my toes into paladin. Any particularly interesting directions to take it? Or is it the stock 25/4/1 class X/fighter EWS/ RogueUMDtumbledump?

24 paladin 4 fighter 2 rogue is my personal favorite.

CoT spiffies worth the loss of rogue skill dump or fighter EWS damage?

No to rogue, yes to fighter imho... I like the extra saves, though as a pally you wont be hurting for them. It feels more rp(ie) to me to have CoT. If you do go CoT vs Fighter... Take 6 levels of CoT or dont. The 6 damage doesnt seem all that noticeable when you are running with 50+ab all day long and tons of saves.

Others are damage whores and will curse me for it of course. Its personal taste.

I'd rather go 23/4/3 or 25/4/1 or 23/6/1 than 24/4/2.

DerkDerkistan wrote:

No RDD, though there's a possibility of 2 Palemaster levels. Well, a likelihood. He is a Death Singer, after all. And the AC from that is added in already to both AC totals.

Two? Nuh, just grab one if you're after the +2 AC. Level 2 nets you absolutely nothing of use.

Is it worth taking the SD levels on this server for the Epic Shadowlord?

• Duration is doubled
• DEX +6
• Regeneration +2
• Spell Resistance = 5 + Shadowdancer's Level

seams a good investment, however does this mean you need 21 SD levels?

ed: which would give you at least 26 SR O_o

Yes, is that based off of the "normal" Epic Shadowlord, or has it been modified?

And no, unless something has been changed, you need 13 SD levels to get it, since you need to take the feat on an SD bonus feat. If I'm remembering correctly at least.

Also, you can't take more than 20 SD levels on a 30 cap, and I'm pretty sure the SR is only applied to the Summon, and not yourself. =P

all I know is with my fey I get the regen on both the summon and the character. also if I can get to SD in 8 levels total you can get at least 22 max.

Do you "get" this regen after you control the fey? Or does the fey actually give you regen? There is a bug that revolves around your familiar when you possess/unpossess it. Sometimes it will show you with the buffs it had, though you don't actually get them. ((Though I know this server is modded, so it's possible it does give you regen.))

You can't take more than 10 levels in prestige classes, until you're over level 20. This is due to 11th level being considered "Epic". So the SD level cap remains at 20.

could be that, but it was healing without the fever necklace so I assume it does regen you aswell. maybe its a bug i'm not sure.

right prestige classes -_- *facepalm* that explains that one, so, max 25 SR.

Glyph wrote:

all I know is with my fey I get the regen on both the summon and the character. also if I can get to SD in 8 levels total you can get at least 22 max.

You may get the icons saying you have those effects, but you don't.

Also, you can only take 10 of any PrC pre-epic, so you can only get to 20 SD, no matter how early you take the first level of it.

Eh, I was not paying attention that the issues were answered a half hour or so ago already. Anyway, yes. He and I are correct.

I was told when I was making my SD ~page 5-6 of this topic that the effects were placed on the regular shadow, and you should disregard the shadow lord they show you on nwnwiki.com

figured I'd ask this here because I'm sure osmeone else has already calculated it and I'm lazy.

highest DC of dev crit achievable on this server?

Is that with or without debuffs on the recipient?

Colapops wrote:

Is that with or without debuffs on the recipient?

Won't change your DC, just their save.

what effective save lowering effects are there besides curse song though anyway?

Aura of Despair springs to mind.

-Cloak-and-Dagger- wrote:

Aura of Despair springs to mind.

ok well I can factor those in, without for now

Was it possible to get Dev.Crit on a Bow, and still be 'Effective' ?

It is possible but why would you waste your time? When you can have all that extra dexterity for ab and ac....

Dunno. Fun I guess...

Trying to set up a decent Melee'er, thats still effective On Range.

Its called
Caster Cleric with zen archery
Any high dex type with a damned good bow.

Very_Svensk wrote:

Dunno. Fun I guess...

Trying to set up a decent Melee'er, thats still effective On Range.

Pure fighter that can Dev with a melee weapon and a ranged weapon! Doooo eeet!

you can dev crit with a bow O_o *decides hunter IS a good idea. for my next guy.*

talking about bows, what do you do when your a dex build, since mighty channels strength not dex, and also does finesse do anything for bows/mighty ?

Finesse only works for melee weapons since ranged weapons are always working off dexterity, except when you take Zen Archery, then it's wisdom.

Strength based bow wielders always suffer from a mediocre AB due to that. Arcane Archer levels counters it a little bit, but you will never get the AB that a dex based will get.

12Fighter/1Bard/17AA Should net you decent AB on melee and Range.

This is going to probably sound odd, and or stupid but:

Can anyone offer thoughts on a reasonable Monk/Wizard or Monk/Sorceror build? Race not nescessarily dependant but to be safe leaning towards human.

Grymia wrote:

This is going to probably sound odd, and or stupid but:

Can anyone offer thoughts on a reasonable Monk/Wizard or Monk/Sorceror build? Race not nescessarily dependant but to be safe leaning towards human.

It is actually rather easy to pull off. Add 4 levels of fighter or CoT, take a number of sorc or wizard levels that gives you your favourite buffs and start hitting stuff.

Do you want to function as a martial artist or as a mage?

If I had to choose between the two, I'd say Mage more then Martial artist but I would still like enough in there to say he's more then just some Mage that picked up a few techniques at a Monestary.

My first guess would be Wiz24/Monk6 or 23/6/Rogue1 for the UMD cheese. Tenser's Transform might work well there, but I haven't looked closely at it since it got buffed.

Meanest, oogliest, undeadsummoniest, heretical necro PM build - ideas? Preferably one that will both be party friendly AND will stand a fighting chance when the Eternal Order finally catches him and puts an end to his wicked ways.

Sorceror 30. Wear black clothes.

DerkDerkistan wrote:

Finesse only works for melee weapons since ranged weapons are always working off dexterity, except when you take Zen Archery, then it's wisdom.

Strength based bow wielders always suffer from a mediocre AB due to that. Arcane Archer levels counters it a little bit, but you will never get the AB that a dex based will get.

Wood elf.

Uberuce wrote:

Sorceror 30. Wear black clothes.

No winter wight, no bone arming.

And everyone wears black. I'm thinking go the Overlord route, rule 29: I will dress in bright and cheery colors, and so throw my enemies into confusion.

Also - do the pm summons scale with the pm levels? I.e. 20PM summons > 10PM summons?

HeresyMonger wrote:

Also - do the pm summons scale with the pm levels? I.e. 20PM summons > 10PM summons?

http://www.amiaworld.net/about/summons.html

No, use this: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=46666

I do believe i've said this at least once OOcly ingame, -wizard- / palemaster. is what your looking for in a necro. or sorcorer if you want more fire power with less choice.

saying that, can you multiclass wizard and sorc? O_o

I have a rogue-archer that I'm fooling with, and trying to work out his skills.

He's currently at: Disable Trap 25(29), Discipline 33(33), Hide 32(51), Move Silently 32(43), Open Lock 15(24), Search 29(31), Set Trap 29(40), Spot 32(41), Tumble 30(39), UMD 31(30)

Do I *need* max'd set trap/Disable trap? Or suggestions on fooling with any other skill in there. I want to find a way to work in craft weapon and/or craft trap as well.. But I can't figure out the best way to go about it.

why you need discipline on a rouge archer? you shouldn't be getting hit with knockdown. and if you do, tumble, run, roll, dodge, etc.

personally I would increase open lock aswell, and maybe drop UMD and buff with items later if needs be. depends on the RP.

Glyph wrote:

why you need discipline on a rouge archer? you shouldn't be getting hit with knockdown. and if you do, tumble, run, roll, dodge, etc.

personally I would increase open lock aswell, and maybe drop UMD and buff with items later if needs be. depends on the RP.

Every character needs discipline. UMD is good as it is... 25/30 for every chap unless you're full epic'd out.

Glyph wrote:

I do believe i've said this at least once OOcly ingame, -wizard- / palemaster. is what your looking for in a necro. or sorcorer if you want more fire power with less choice.

saying that, can you multiclass wizard and sorc? O_o

You know not what you speak. OF course you can multiclass them, but why would you? Stupid and pointless.

Everyone knows a pm/wiz(caster) is enormously inferior to a pure caster...

Like Ruce said pure wiz/sorc wear black = best necro...

Any thought on what I might be able to move around then? or .. am I basically out of luck?

They look pretty good, Disable trap is great. Set trap is better. Max that, you can buff the other one with gear, normally disabling traps isnt done in combat.

Set trap with epic dodge and maxed hide/ms is nifty to have in combat.. If you can drop epics on the floor in a fight its cute....

Whats the build going to be?

Wondering what thoughts people have on a Cleric build I've had lying around in my files for a while.

Cleric28/Bard2

Start stats:
STR - 14
DEX - 8
CON - 10
INT - 12
WIS - 16
CHA - 15

Pre-epic Feats:
Power atk, Div Might, Extend spell, Maximize spell, Div Shield, KD, Blind fight + Imp crit.

Epic feats:
Armor skin, greater WIS, Greater ruin, Greater WIS II, Epic Fort + Hellball.

Finish stats:
STR - 14
DEX - 7
CON - 10
INT - 12
WIS - 22
CHA - 18

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