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Seriously if you don't post where your Auction notices are placed, and if the bidder doesn't deign to put where they replied I will lock your Auction thread.

This isn't WoW, you can bugger of with that type of shit.

I agree mostly. I think it might be a little unfair for the auctioneer if the thread is locked when bidders do not post properly. The one who did wrong should be punished only.

Well, Perhaps with a few locks the auctionboards can be steered towards more Rp. A few bad examples locked will probably state an example.

Amarice-Elaraliel wrote:

I agree mostly. I think it might be a little unfair for the auctioneer if the thread is locked when bidders do not post properly. The one who did wrong should be punished only.

+1.

I don't disagree with any one point above, though, I feel that at -minimum- folks should need to put "Surface" or "UD"

Ex:: Not all Drow are in the Dark Below. :wink:

Amarice-Elaraliel wrote:

I agree mostly. I think it might be a little unfair for the auctioneer if the thread is locked when bidders do not post properly. The one who did wrong should be punished only.

The fact is that auctioneers should moderate their auctions. IF someone posts.

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22 million for the chickpeas

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And thats it, if the auctioneer takes that as a bid, I will lock the thread.

That is quite fair then yes.

Seeing not accepting the bid is basically all the auctioneer can do to moderate. But that he should do then.

Even though I occasionally use the auction forum, I'd rather it not even exist. Force us to actually market ourselves ICly. In turn, it would have the benefit of RP and a minor, side benefit of helping to slightly drive the market down.

The market stalls have seen a significant decline since the auction subforum was added, I'd wager.

Ok, it is corrected. My first auction here. I've never really seen the auctions conducted in any particular manner, myself. Everyone bids in various manners, such as "2.7M," or some variant.

I agree that it should be done in character, just rarely see it done so.

DerkDerkistan wrote:

Even though I occasionally use the auction forum, I'd rather it not even exist. Force us to actually market ourselves ICly. In turn, it would have the benefit of RP and a minor, side benefit of helping to slightly drive the market down.

The market stalls have seen a significant decline since the auction subforum was added, I'd wager.

Given that 90 percent of epic trading occurs between a core group of players you'd wager incorrectly. IT would do absolutely nothing to drive the market down. The market stalls are used as they always were.

I'd propose a sticky placed in the Auction forum so that the basic guidelines of etiquette are made clear to everyone.

Also, when you post in the forum you are doing it IC, just not IG. IC or IG it really doesn't matter. Some people also post as way of advertising their wares and also run a shop.

The Auction board always just gives me a headache of banned people posting where they are banned. Because icly that means I know they snuck in the location they are banned. >.>

Oooh that's irritating, and a good thing to add to a sticky if one is added

It is hard to conduct an auction IG when there are plenty of people bartering with you at the same time, then you also have to take into account they speak with each other as well at the same time, or Hil'rash is there to make it really hard to keep track of stuff.

If it could be done IG, it would be great, but I don't see it happening, UNLESS there was an auction held each week or so, at different cities each time where auctioneers and bidders could assemble and place bids on wares, but I see some trouble doing that as well, since it works best if only using gold as a resource of bidding.

The auction board is a handy tool. Would be neat with guidelines though, so everything that is not properly filled out is ripped to shreds and tossed in the garbage.

Ulir wrote:

If it could be done IG, it would be great, but I don't see it happening, UNLESS there was an auction held each week or so, at different cities each time where auctioneers and bidders could assemble and place bids on wares, but I see some trouble doing that as well, since it works best if only using gold as a resource of bidding.

Isn't it the seller's right to determine the value of the item they're selling and to determine if the offer (gold or items) meets said value? I don't see gold working best, though I agree that it should, at least, work.

And it -can- be done in game. You just have to put in the effort. Lots of people won't do it simply because it's easier to wait out a higher profit by auctioning on the forums.

I've had some really fun experiences with bids RPed in-game.

Yeah, it adds a lot more excitement to it. I only ever witnessed an auction of paintings IG, but it was rather entertaining to see people's reactions. Would be fun to give it a try with other wares... actually I am having a sexy idea. *runs off to write it down*

I think the idea of a travelling merchant is a great idea. Walking from town to town selling items, buying items, trading items... It beats the hell out of forum auctioning, I think.

Seems pointless to be so angrrygerbil about, unless you're going to oversee that people do visit each site listed in the notices, both at the bidder and reader end.

I'm not suggesting that you have to visit them. But shit like

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EPIC WOW AUCTION OF DHOOM

1 Perfect Mythal for Sale

Isn't an appropriate post for an In Character forum.

Is it ok to add the item properties ooc or rather not?

*Shameless plug* Live Auction coming up!

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I'm not suggesting that you have to visit them. But shit like

EPIC WOW AUCTION OF DHOOM

1 Perfect Mythal for Sale

Isn't an appropriate post for an In Character forum.

I agree it's not, but the causal problem for me is that people generally don't go to the place where the threads state the notices are, so they're just omitting the step of claiming they have. I don't blame them; it's silly and false.

I can see there's an argument to made that it's just too boring to insist on people going into South Cordor or the Triumvir and emoting to an empty zone, but if it's okay to skip doing it in game, then why isn't it okay to skip lying about it on the forum?

As it stands, I could go to each place with a messageboard PLC and emote putting up an auction, my bidders could all go and emote reading and responding, I could trawl round the whole lot and emote pinning up a reply, but if we forgot to state the locations when we wrote it up on the forum, we'd get locked. Two people who hadn't even logged in but made up some BS about the wheres and whens would be fine.

The image that springs to mind is an office where someone is regularly shitting on the toilet floor, and Management responds by checking that everyone's washed their hands. Yes, hand washing is good, buuuut...

This entire line of argument can easily be dismissed by me just having an aversion to out-of-game RP.

Is it possible to create bulletin board in-game that is saved between resets and is updatable by players? Perhaps a job system requirement for auctions that allow you to scribe on a bulletin board? That would force players to go to the location where the auction is held. I don't know much about the mechanics of the game (developmental side) so if this is completely -not- feasible, please excuse my lack of understanding. It would seem though since placables etc., do not stay from reset to reset it is not feasible.

The storage function in Walkeen, Kampo, Wiltun etc, came to mind though. Can a common storage box to all players be created to hold something capable of being scribed like a picture or other job system item? The person would then open the Auction box to see all the auctions and with the job system scribe onto the auction item showing his bid. Similar to a room key at the Inns, he would not be able to leave the area with the auction item. Again, sorry if NWN cannot do something like this.

Meng

WTS 1 M-DM, SoJ or btr no GP.

DerkDerkistan wrote:

Even though I occasionally use the auction forum, I'd rather it not even exist. Force us to actually market ourselves ICly. In turn, it would have the benefit of RP and a minor, side benefit of helping to slightly drive the market down.

The market stalls have seen a significant decline since the auction subforum was added, I'd wager.

If you mean market IC as in, setting up stalls, then its a bit unfair due to timezones.

Well, Chris wasn't saying anything about the auction boards not being used. He just wants people to post where the notices are located, where people go to see the notices, and for auctioneers to quit saying "Tell me where to meet you, Pershnickle! You won the Epic Hammer!"

In truth auctioneers wouldn't want to sell to someone who doesn't tell them exactly who they are and where they can be reached. Why would an auctioneer want to post publicly that the winner can come find them? That's not efficient trading at all. Hell, I'd go so far as to say post a description, so you can find each other. None of this random logging in and meeting up, bumping into each other and asking randomly if it's the person you're looking for and, oh! Surprise! It is!

Feonir wrote:

WTS 1 M-DM, SoJ or btr no GP.

Stone of Jordan is where it's at. Let's get some of those. +1 all skills.

Mengala wrote:

Is it possible to create bulletin board in-game that is saved between resets and is updatable by players?

Yes.

I totally agree with the thought that the 'abstraction' should go, the auctions now do see to detract from any immersion of the IC world. Tempted to bring up the thrice-cursed party ball for the same reason, but.. I learned my lesson. This place is just not (enforced) hardcore rp.

I suppose it is now time for a new player-led 'faction' to take the lead with auctions. Characters leave items with auctioneers, with a reserve price attached. Auctioneers sell items, and take a slice of the sale value. Just how they operate for real. Of course, after not very long they might amass a considerable sum, and arrange a writ or license in effect monopolising auctions, so they ~have~ to be conducted through them. That should lead to a nice bout of mercantile/lawyeristic RP, and the establishment of a guild, as well as a nice line in rogue RP for the inevitable black market auctions..

Or, status quo, of course. Ho-hum.

I've a possible solution to this, but you won't liiiiiike it....

Ummma wrote:

Characters leave items with auctioneers, with a reserve price attached. Auctioneers sell items, and take a slice of the sale value. Just how they operate for real.

This happens already. Zelly calls it consignment. :wink:

Yossarin wrote:

I've a possible solution to this, but you won't liiiiiike it....

Ban auctions!

Yossarin wrote:

I've a possible solution to this, but you won't liiiiiike it....

Make a set price for everything? XD

Yossarin wrote:

I've a possible solution to this, but you won't liiiiiike it....

I like it when its not liked.

Yossarin wrote:

I've a possible solution to this, but you won't liiiiiike it....

Why do I have a feeling it involves Jackboots?

I agree.

In game= Ic. Out of game = OOC.

Some might argue, but after all, when one write "Pc Stories" in the IC forum area, do they expect all to react ICLY?

Those stories are for RP flavor, for entertainment and shouldn't be taken ICly, thus, in game. Forums should be for entertainment and questions, announcements, etc.

It's kinda illogical for people who use the forums to see all those posters "Icly" all over the place and those in game to not see them.

Shouldn't those who take the time to wander from town to town icly to see the posters have a better idea of what's available?

People can just answer a post in "Brog" now for example and never have been there in game.

My two cents.

The forum description for PC Stories says this: Tell all about your characters history, current plotlines and all other in-game happenings.

If you can't take the stories seriously, don't read them.

What I meant is, PC's can't possibly learn about a character's story by "reading the forums".

It has to be RPed in game for other PC's to know about a pc's story.

On the forum, the -players- learn about a char's story.

psycho wrote:

I agree.

In game= Ic. Out of game = OOC.

I don't think anyone was voicing that opinion, by the way.

psycho wrote:

Some might argue, but after all, when one write "Pc Stories" in the IC forum area, do they expect all to react ICLY?

Those stories are for RP flavor, for entertainment and shouldn't be taken ICly, thus, in game.

People have done IC stuff on the forums, specifically in the 'PC Stories' forum, just so you know.

psycho wrote:

Forums should be for entertainment and questions, announcements, etc.

It's kinda illogical for people who use the forums to see all those posters "Icly" all over the place and those in game to not see them.

Shouldn't those who take the time to wander from town to town icly to see the posters have a better idea of what's available?

The problem with that is it doesn't work unless there is a system that displays postings and such. Signs disappear after reset, remember. It's a limitation of a game.
So basically you are saying that people that are not on the same time as a merchant should be shafted.

Seriously, stop complaining about it and make a suggestion to improve it instead.
The forums are a way to supplement the game, ergo a way for people that are on a vastly different times to connect.

And by the way, if you are against the IC portions of the forum, why are you using them? I've seen several posts by you in the auctions section.
Makes for a weak case for your arguments. Just sayin.

Feonir wrote:

WTS 1 M-DM, SoJ or btr no GP.

3 WF take it or leave it

..man thats not even worth a HR

Everyone is speaking in acronyms and I don't know what they mean! D:

But seconding the in-game persistent message board idea. I've seen it done before, and its a hellva lot better than forums.

I agree with this rule.

But this post is disappearing down the page and the take-up is ....not 100%.

If this is going to be a server rule, rather than Mosh's opinion, IDK, I think it should be....

Then edit the Auction Board subheading.

"Auctions
Post your stuff for sale here Include location of postings in both auction postings and bids"

Or something such as. You know. Try and hammer it home. And not via sticky. No-one reads those.

Well my opinions on the stickies in the request, IA and IC forums are simple.

IF you don't read them, I will lock your thread.

Unsupported by the DM team at the moment. Thats just my personal opinion but the Auction thread is a definite, so I will be posting a sticky with guidelines.

MoshingChris wrote:

Well my opinions on the stickies in the request, IA and IC forums are simple.

IF you don't read them, I will lock your thread.

Unsupported by the DM team at the moment. Thats just my personal opinion but the Auction thread is a definite, so I will be posting a sticky with guidelines.

If its unsupported by the DM team that leaves you wide open to the mommy/daddy clause where in someone who is going to be asshattish enough to play you off of other DM's for an unlock to the topic.

I think you misunderstood me.

When I say currently unsupported, I mean these things are spelled out clearly enough to the playerbase, and that certain guideline and ruling threads are outdated and need to be updated. My personal opinion on that is that we are behind the eight-ball on that.

Yeah a google search is the only way I can access the forums cause of my works weird web routing. And all the links the google search of amiaworld spits out all lead to topics that dont exist or stuff from the mainpage thats so out of date that a single comparitive metaphore is lacking in being able to properly point out how out of date it is.

Yossarin wrote:

I've a possible solution to this, but you won't liiiiiike it....

Regulate!

Selvec Darkon wrote:

Yossarin wrote:

I've a possible solution to this, but you won't liiiiiike it....

Regulate!

Your link was busted, so I added it.

Edit! I broke it too!

was going to post here the other day, while I agree with chris I find some difficulty in the idea of an auction based faction, mainly due to the consiquences of such a play (could bias sales, could choose a non neutral locale for auction house, etc.)

i'm not saying it couldn't work but, the little details worry me there. neutral company why not, based in cordor, would be an example of the latter.

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