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Well, a Barbarian/Bard? Which would you take more of?

I would never combine barbarian + Bard. It just makes me cry.

I thought that was how you make a Skald though? At least, that's what I see as one of the Brog spawns

Barb15/Bard15 should work just fine, but it misses out on all the Barbie goodies that would await next level, so Barb17/Bard12/Ranger or Fighter1 is another viable one.

It misses all the barb goodies and all the Bard goodies - Basically it's a failbot.

12 Bard is decent. 16 Bard is decent. I've made a few sub-20 bards and yes they suck a dick in pvp but if you just like smacking monsters and your strength based adding casting levels is workable.

It can do nothing well. The duration of the buffs suck, it doesn't even get all the spells @ day and have a spell penetration like a flogged horse.
The barbarian rages aren't proper, Last a minute or two unless you have totally gimped the build and gone all out in CHA/CON.

The duration of the Rage is the same as with almost any other Barbarian build, the buffs last quite nicely as you can always rebuff, and bards have nothing worthwhile to cast on the offensive side anyway.

As Mosh said, the build is decent. It is a slightly watered-down barbarian with a pocketful of tricks. In solo, and often in duo PvM as well depending on your partner, it does actually better than your old 24/4/2 friend. If I wanted to run a skald concept, I'd totally play it.

Extreme Lulz build

Wood Elf
17 Rogue 8 Fighter 5 Harper Scout

20STR
18DEX
6CON
8
10
8

Pre-epic 15 Rogue 5 Fighter

Standard Feats: Iron Will, Alertness, Blindfight, Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Weapon Finesse
Fighter Bonus: Weapon Focus Scimitar, Improved Critical Scimtar, Weapon Spec
Rogue Bonus: Improved Evasion, Defensive Roll
Ability Distribution: +5 Strength

Epic:
3 Fighter 2 Rogue 5 Harper Scout
Ability Distribution: +2 Dexterity
Fighter: Overwhelming, Devastating
Standard: Great Dex 1, Great Dex 2, Great Dex 5, Great Dex 6
Harper Scout: Great Dex 3 and 4
Rogue: Epic Dodge

Gonna go find a bridge for Tormie to push me off shortly.

Every gimmick you'd ever like and the HP of a wet paper towel.

Hence the reason extreme lulz. I'd never touch it. Not even with Yoss' mom.

*Clears throat*

-"HULK SMASH!"
-"HULK LOVE!"
-"HULK EAT!"
-"HULK ...HULK MADE AN OOPS!"

That build can also be made with Shadowdancer.

(V)O.o(V)

Also where it says Scimitar I actually meant Rapier. I always get pussy weapons confused.

Could loose up a Feat pre-epic if you went 26STR instead of 26DEX so you wouldn't need weapon finesse

I prefer nabbing +1 AC at the cost of a pre-epic feat thanks.

Loose 1 AC
Gain 1 Damage + 1 higher DC on the Dev + 1 Pre-epic feat. A feat you could invest in Extra saves perhaps!

I prefer the AC thanks.

Is there any way to 'fix' a druid/shifter? Poor ab, poor ac, mostly poor saves, evasion on poor shapes only. I'm not after some PvP powerbuild, but.. something that survives PvE against higher than 15 xp critters. Especially as I'll soon be rebuilding without the monk class skills..
I'd just like something less frustrating... any tips will be appreciated (beyond 'don't have a shifter').

Spell penetration and high wisdom, Then focus in spellcasting pretty much.

Can't cast when shifted though.. he isn't a pure druid. Anything more than extend spell for the buffs would be a waste?

Ummma wrote:

Can't cast when shifted though.. he isn't a pure druid. Anything more than extend spell for the buffs would be a waste?

I am pretty sure they are talking about the forms spells here. Since about every form gets a spell they can spam to their hearts content.

Never mind, won't be happening after all. Sorry to waste time

http://amiawiki.shatuga.com/index.php/Shifterfix

Here's the new shifter goodies in case somebody change their mind.

Hello,
I'd like to present 3 builds and I wonder what do you think about them

1st: ranger 25/warrior 4/rogue 1
Str 17, Con 10, Cha 9, Int 14, Wis 14, Dex 10
weapons: 2x scimitar
feats (most important ones only): bane of enemies, devastating critical (scimitar), epic weapon focus (scimitar)

2st: warrior 12/weapon master 16/bard 2
STR 17, Con 14, Int 14, Dex 13
weapon: have no idea tbh, propably smth 1-handed
done to achieve devastating critical
why bard? for taunt, with epic skill focus might be pretty helpful, also has tumble

3 st: warrior 8/rogue 16/shadowdancer 6
STR 9, CON 10, CHA 10, INT 16 (many skillpoints!

), WIS 10, DEX 17
weapon: rapier
most important feats and advantages: blinding speed, epic dodge, HIPS,

I didn't mention such details like skillpoints, and the most popular feats like toughness, weapon focus, epic weapon focus etc, just the most essential ones

So....which of these builds is the best, the most suitable for this server and which one has the greatest chance to survive? All comments welcomed.

None of them are really "the best". They'll all work fine and survive just fi

MOSH YOU TOPIC EDITING SON OF A BITCH!

All of those builds will work fine, it just depends on the sort of character you'd like to play.

*Points at Tormie.*

Buwahahahahahahahahahaha!

Ahahahah

1st: Sub-par AC naturally (dual-wielding STR build) and you're gimping it further by taking more AB loss for 2 medium weapons

2nd: Taunt = flat-footed. Nuff said

3rd: It'll take you 3 days to kill a goblin...

Which one is 'The Best'? :twisted:

**edited after Tormak's explosion**

The Best one will be the one with Epic Prowess.

1: He's an epic ranger with Bane of Enemies, so his AB is going to be fantastic either way.

2: Flatfooted doesn't really matter so much on a Strength build when you weigh up the fact your opponent is now staring down a 16 WM at a -6 AC penalty.

3: Epic Weapon Specialisation + 16 Rogue Sneak Attacks does not a weakling make!

But I can't disagree with your edit...

Wait...is the BoE AB bonus stacking? I know the damage multiplies on a crit, and the AB bonus doesn't work toward bypassing DR...but is it treated as an 'insight' bonus or something?

It's like Nature Sense, yep! Doesn't count toward the +20 cap either.

Well, holy hell. Thanks for that! I had no clue...

Btw, you can save your taunts for when you have knocked people on their butt with IKD. Giving casters 30% spell failure is also very interesting.

Better yet, make a shadowdancer that doesn't murder, but taunt people until they cry, then flee into the shadows.

How to build a caster hipser? Most preferred builds i'd like to see are with the sorcerer and wizard.

First thought is a simple Wizard or Sorc 23/Rogue 1/SD 6

STR: 10
DEX: 14
CON: 10
WIS: 10
INT: 18 (25) <-- Just from level up abilities
CHA: 10

Wizard from 1-22, Rogue at 23, SD from 24-29, Wizard at 30

Skills: Concentration 33(33), Heal 33(33), Hide 32(34), Lore 33(40), Move Silently 32(34), Spellcraft 33(40), Tumble 30(32), UMD 25(25), remaining skillpoints 55

And all the feats you want haha

DISCLAIMER: I have never ever built one of these, so I could be waaaaaaaaaaay off haha

Question: Is there any reason to have Spell Focus: Transmutation and above? I don't think there is really any offensive spells in that school, or am I wrong?

Only Flesh to Stone, I think, with a save.

Bestow Curse as well.

Naivatkal wrote:

First thought is a simple Wizard or Sorc 23/Rogue 1/SD 6

STR: 10
DEX: 14
CON: 10
WIS: 10
INT: 18 (25) <-- Just from level up abilities
CHA: 10

Wizard from 1-22, Rogue at 23, SD from 24-29, Wizard at 30

Skills: Concentration 33(33), Heal 33(33), Hide 32(34), Lore 33(40), Move Silently 32(34), Spellcraft 33(40), Tumble 30(32), UMD 25(25), remaining skillpoints 55

And all the feats you want haha

DISCLAIMER: I have never ever built one of these, so I could be waaaaaaaaaaay off haha

Yep, way off.

TeroSNS wrote:

How to build a caster hipser? Most preferred builds i'd like to see are with the sorcerer and wizard.

Why don't you try and post what you come up with here?

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll never go hungry.

ainjyll wrote:

Naivatkal wrote:

failbuild

Yep, way off.

Haha good thing I put the disclaimer there ;D

Can someone pls explain to me how imbue arrow works?

Dead wrote:

Can someone pls explain to me how imbue arrow works?

Blank stack of arrows + casting the spell listed in the side bar onto the arrows = Imbued arrows! You of course have to be an AA. Duh.

Dead wrote:

Can someone pls explain to me how imbue arrow works?

Only a few threads down from this one...

Alright. So I want to pick a mummy dust summon but I am not sure which ones do what. Is there anywhere I can look at that?

No, not generally, though there are those who focus on the outward abilities of the summons rather than trying to advise people to go with the ones that make the most sense for the character. I would suggest deciding what your -character- would choose and go with that. Is he an evoker, an elementalist? Does he prefer transmutation school? Is he a necromancer who enlists the aid of the undead? Find one that suits the character. They are all capable mechanically, so I would strongly suggest not focusing on that aspect, lest the work that the designers put into them all for diversity be put to waste.

DerkDerkistan wrote:

No, not generally, though there are those who focus on the outward abilities of the summons rather than trying to advise people to go with the ones that make the most sense for the character. I would suggest deciding what your -character- would choose and go with that. Is he an evoker, an elementalist? Does he prefer transmutation school? Is he a necromancer who enlists the aid of the undead? Find one that suits the character. They are all capable mechanically, so I would strongly suggest not focusing on that aspect, lest the work that the designers put into them all for diversity be put to waste.

I believe I stated what I meant incorrectly. I meant "What is each choice depending on the alignment of your character?", but after getting over my "Hurr durr!" Moment I found out what the summons would actually be via the wiki. Sorry to have asked a stupid question. XD

Caldera3 wrote:

DerkDerkistan wrote:

No, not generally, though there are those who focus on the outward abilities of the summons rather than trying to advise people to go with the ones that make the most sense for the character. I would suggest deciding what your -character- would choose and go with that. Is he an evoker, an elementalist? Does he prefer transmutation school? Is he a necromancer who enlists the aid of the undead? Find one that suits the character. They are all capable mechanically, so I would strongly suggest not focusing on that aspect, lest the work that the designers put into them all for diversity be put to waste.

I believe I stated what I meant incorrectly. I meant "What is each choice depending on the alignment of your character?", but after getting over my "Hurr durr!" Moment I found out what the summons would actually be via the wiki. Sorry to have asked a stupid question. XD

Seconded, like my pure wizard is a 'natural' evoker/fire-based wizard and so he will have the elemental (hopefully reskinned to a fire one eventually). Also, my cleric of Sharess will have an Arcadian Avenger because it's the best fit for someone of her personality (as it is angelic and such).

Also, this thread if you haven't seen it yet.

Thinking of rebuilding my Wood Elf BG. At the moment he is 16 monk/4bg and his end build was going to be 20monk/9bg/1rog, but I want to make him have more BG, preferabbly 16 BG and make him more of a damage dealer. Any ideas on what I could do?

Monk10/BG16/Fighter4 sounds all right.

I've run a 10 Monk 4 fighter 16 BG before and I suggest you look at 10 Monk 4 Rogue 16 BG. The lack of UMD stings.

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