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MoshingChris
 
PostPosted: Wed, May 18 2011, 3:38 AM 

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You'll do fine.

In a party.

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PostPosted: Wed, May 18 2011, 3:45 AM 

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Question:

Being that I am a Paladin of Corellon, would i have to act lawful good, or would I be able to act Chaotic since my god is.. Chaotic?

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PostPosted: Wed, May 18 2011, 4:19 AM 

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... Paladins are Lawful Good. If you're not LG, you're not a Paladin, no mater wht your God says.

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Vaul Tarrith
 
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**grabs the nearest solid object in preparation for the thread spiralling out of control**

Paladins are Lawful Good. Let's not turn this into yet another 'Every-God-Should-Have-Paladins-Of-The-Appropriate-Alignment'...thing.


 
      
Naivatkal
 
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*plays devil's advocate*

S4g -might- have meant being a 'paladin', as in paladin in concept but not the actual class.





Maybe >_>

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No.

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there are paladins of Corellon... and yes they are lawful good... check Races of the Wild for a reference if you so desire it.

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PostPosted: Wed, May 18 2011, 10:42 AM 

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Wow.. um yea.

I was only curious is all, but thank you for the replies.

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CoT is what you'd be looking for if you wanted to be CG.

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PostPosted: Wed, May 18 2011, 15:23 PM 

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Something about Paladins taking rogue...

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Please see a DM to receive a Fall when you do this, as a Paladin learning the explicit art of "How to murder people in an unfair fight and take dirty advantage of every situation you're in" is a farily large breach of contract.


Though im not sure if this was stated just because the in the topic it said the one requesting their paladin have rogue for the reason in the quote (sneak attack) but if your looking for tumble dump and evasion at lvl 1 take monk though I dont know any classes to get UMD apart from rogue and Bard, Rogue being apparently a fall and Bard being out of alignment range. Your choice and DMs choice to fall your or not though this is a build topic not a RP-build topic.

Though if you want to keep your Paladin a Paladin and have a decent build, would rogue or Monk be better?

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Naivatkal
 
PostPosted: Wed, May 18 2011, 15:26 PM 

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RPwise? Monk fits better with a Paladin.

End of story.

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That's your opinion, Yes. :)

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PostPosted: Wed, May 18 2011, 16:18 PM 

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RP wise Harper Scout beats them all.

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PostPosted: Wed, May 18 2011, 16:28 PM 

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Truefax.
You spend 2 feats pre-Epic and get 1 or 2 feats in Epic (Depending on the amount of HS levels). Tumble-dump - spot-dump - Discipline-dump.
Harper scout has it all.

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He said RP-wise, not mechanics-wise (not that I'm arguing the mechanics of it).

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PostPosted: Wed, May 18 2011, 19:34 PM 

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I ment both 8)

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PostPosted: Wed, May 18 2011, 20:05 PM 

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...and taking a level of Rogue does not require a Paladin to 'fall'. Taking 1 level of Rogue is as OK as taking less than 20 levels of Bard is NOT. :twisted:


 
      
Naivatkal
 
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Vaul Tarrith wrote:
Taking 1 level of Rogue is as OK as taking less than 20 levels of Bard is NOT. :twisted:


I see what you did there!

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Naivatkal
 
PostPosted: Wed, May 18 2011, 21:03 PM 

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I have some questions on Aasimar (and other Universal subraces):

1) How exactly do the Universal races work? Can you apply their template to any race? Or do you have to be human base and then add Aasimar or what have you? (ie can you be Elf Aasimar, Gnome Air Genasi, etc)

2) Assuming you can be any race base with a Universal subrace, I assume the bonuses stack, right? (ie you get the +2 WIS/CHA from Aasimar along with, say, +2 INT -2 CON from Sun Elf [whatever])

3) Assuming all that, what are the thoughts on a Aasimar *DD? Can you even be planetouched and dragon blooded? Gut instinct says it's possible, but I don't know if there is FR lore (or flat out Amia restrictions) that say it's not allowed.

For the record, I had the idea just now for a Aasimar Gold Dragon Disciple paladin. IMO, Gold is the only color that truly fits with the Aasimar's race and description, though I could be wrong. I just like tossing together viable builds hah

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PostPosted: Wed, May 18 2011, 21:17 PM 

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First, you can't be a sun elf aasimar as those are both subraces. But if you want to play an elven aasimar, you choose Elf as base race. The bonuses do not stack. You are changed to a human, statwise and then the bonuses are applied. So if you went elven aasimar, you'll notice your dex drop by two and your con raise by two, as well as your wis and cha raise by two.

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Naivatkal
 
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Hah dunno why I said Sun Elf XD

Okay, makes a ton of sense. So it'd be the elven body with human stats with the Aasimar template added, basically?


Coolz, what about mu Aasimar GDD pally idea? Works? :o

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I couldn't tell you, but it sounds gimmicky to me!

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PostPosted: Wed, May 18 2011, 21:43 PM 

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Aasimar + Elf + Dragon = meh. Too many races in one PC for my taste.

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Half-Elf aasimar dragon disciple ?

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Naivatkal
 
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Oh I wasn't actually going to do Elf Aasimar, that was just a scenario.

My idea was Human base Aasimar going GDD.

I was considering 19 Paladin/1 Bard/9 RDD, but dunno about the whole mixup. Tryin to see if it would be viable first, even. Sounds kinda nasty you know o.o

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24Paladin/1Sorc/4RDD Aasimar.

Congrats - you are cheese

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Pretty sure he wanted wings, not cheese.

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Naivatkal
 
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>_>

I swear I didn't say Bard for the build. Yep yep, definitely didn't say bard

<_<

Soooo anyways, yeah sorc. And yes, the wings would be part of it. Not going to just take 4 RDD levels, that's not cool and counter to the draconic heritage.


Still, though, anyone know if there is anything against an Aasimar dragon disciple?

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Well, there's nothing really saying that you can't do it... but it is kinda cheesy. I mean, one of your ancestors somewhere down the line banged a celestial and another ancestor banged a dragon and in some strange cosmically miniscule coincidence, both of those bloodlines decided to present in you. Not impossible, but so infinitesimally small a chance it's not even really worth mentioning.

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23pal/4ftr/3monk

1-20 Paladain, correct? For the BAB of 25, yes?

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Perhaps add one or two figther levels for extra fort?

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paladin doesn't need more fort. lol


 
      
Naivatkal
 
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ainjyll wrote:
Well, there's nothing really saying that you can't do it... but it is kinda cheesy. I mean, one of your ancestors somewhere down the line banged a celestial and another ancestor banged a dragon and in some strange cosmically miniscule coincidence, both of those bloodlines decided to present in you. Not impossible, but so infinitesimally small a chance it's not even really worth mentioning.


*nod*
The Cheese is what I am worried about, at least. It's possible, yeah, and I would only really do it after refining the character to the point where I feel he/she is decidedly interesting enough to actually create.

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Ulir wrote:
Perhaps add one or two figther levels for extra fort?


Fort would be nice, yus. I thinkt he stats I will go with will be the ones Mosh posted on the previous page

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You don't need more fort. You're a Paladin.

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Oh yeah, paladin saves. D'oh. Save them fighter feats for epic levels. My bad. Too tired to think.

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Could someone help me with a levelling layout? I tried it in Single Player and the build looks fine, but.. odd. I can't quite place it but I have a feeling when put in Amia, it would be different..

And I don't know if the stats Mosh posted earlier would do me good? I would think I'd want CHA on an even number to start with

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Sin4given wrote:
23pal/4ftr/3monk

1-20 Paladain, correct? For the BAB of 25, yes?


3 Monk does not Monk AC Give.
You're better off with 24 Paladin/4Fighter/2Monk or 23Paladin/6Fighter/1Monk.

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3 monk will get him 3 AC if he has 16 wisdom.

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... And you think that's worth going without armour for?

Anyway. I was under the impression he would be using Full plate. But if he's going to go with cloth armor he can as well take one monk level pre-epic to get the Kama Focus and wield kamas. That's 9 attacks on that paladin

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Very_Svensk wrote:
... And you think that's worth going without armour for?


Yes on a dex based Elven Paladin. Which I beleive is what he wants. That three AC is simply an owls wisdom pot away based on a Paladins 14 Wisdom.

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Yep then it's good and dandy. :)

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Very_Svensk wrote:
... And you think that's worth going without armour for?

Anyway. I was under the impression he would be using Full plate. But if he's going to go with cloth armor he can as well take one monk level pre-epic to get the Kama Focus and wield kamas. That's 9 attacks on that paladin



Ahm not wanting kamas on a paladin lol. I want shortsword. It's going to be the concept of a very faithful of Corellon that relies on his gods protections and his own skill. Plus it'll be cool to be a paladin that wears cloth and has pretty high AC

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So I tried my hand at a Tuigan Barb 19, Fighter 4, WM 7, whatcha think?
I know WM sucks a lot of feats, but just curious on the
And I picked greataxe to be different, and because I envision barbs with greataxes, greatswords, and warhammers heh

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STR: 18 (25)
DEX: 13
CON: 12
WIS: 10
INT: 13
CHA: 8

01: Barbarian(1): Weapon Focus: Greataxe, Toughness
02: Barbarian(2): {Uncanny Dodge I}
03: Barbarian(3): Dodge
04: Barbarian(4): STR+1, (STR=19)
05: Barbarian(5)
06: Barbarian(6): Mobility
07: Barbarian(7)
08: Barbarian(8): STR+1, (STR=20)
09: Barbarian(9): Improved Critical: Greataxe
10: Barbarian(10)
11: Barbarian(11)
12: Barbarian(12): STR+1, Blind Fight, (STR=21)
13: Barbarian(13)
14: Barbarian(14)
15: Barbarian(15): Spring Attack
16: Fighter(1): STR+1, Expertise, (STR=22)
17: Fighter(2): Whirlwind Attack
18: Weapon Master(1): Great Fortitude, Weapon of Choice: Greataxe
19: Weapon Master(2)
20: Weapon Master(3): STR+1, (STR=23)
21: Fighter(3): Epic Weapon Focus: Greataxe
22: Weapon Master(4)
23: Weapon Master(5)
24: Fighter(4): STR+1, Weapon Specialization: Greataxe, Epic Weapon Specialization: Greataxe, (STR=24)
25: Weapon Master(6)
26: Weapon Master(7)
27: Barbarian(16): Terrifying Rage
28: Barbarian(17): STR+1, (STR=25)
29: Barbarian(18)
30: Barbarian(19): Thundering Rage

01: Discipline(4), Heal(4), Intimidate(4), Taunt(4), Save(8),
02: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(10),
03: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(12),
04: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(14),
05: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(16),
06: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(18),
07: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(20),
08: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(22),
09: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(24),
10: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(26),
11: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(28),
12: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(30),
13: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(32),
14: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(34),
15: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(36),
16: Concentration(14), Discipline(1), Heal(1), Save(24),
17: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Save(26),
18: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(3), Save(25),
19: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Save(26),
20: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Save(27),
21: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Save(29),
22: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(2), Save(29),
23: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Save(30),
24: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Save(32),
25: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(2), Save(32),
26: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Save(33),
27: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(12), Save(24),
28: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(26),
29: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Save(28),
30: Discipline(1), Heal(1), Intimidate(1), Taunt(1), Tumble(15),

I shoved 14 into Concentration just cause, I had leftovers
The WM reqs made the abilities a little odd, and so combined with the feat nommage and such I made another one but will post later.

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Sod Great Fort and Blindfight, and don't take any Fighter pre-epic and save two epic feats for like Armour Skin and Great Strength I?

That CON 12 is a sad sight. It could be 14, y'know.

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It's Great Fortitude and Toughness you should drop, not Blind-Fight.

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Yeah wasn't sure about Great Fort being worth it. Toughness was for moar HP, though dunno why I really thought of it hah

Sooo here's the other build, with the added changes suggested:

Earth Genesai Barb 24/Fighter 4/Rogue 1

Abilities:
STR: 18 (21)
DEX: 12
CON: 17 (21)
WIS: 10
INT: 10
CHA: 8

Feats:
01: Barbarian(1): Weapon Focus: Greataxe
02: Barbarian(2): {Uncanny Dodge I}
03: Barbarian(3): Power Attack
04: Barbarian(4): CON+1, (CON=18)
05: Barbarian(5)
06: Barbarian(6): Cleave
07: Barbarian(7)
08: Barbarian(8): CON+1, (CON=19)
09: Barbarian(9): Improved Critical: Greataxe
10: Barbarian(10)
11: Barbarian(11)
12: Barbarian(12): CON+1, Knockdown, (CON=20)
13: Barbarian(13)
14: Barbarian(14)
15: Barbarian(15): Blind Fight
16: Barbarian(16): CON+1, (CON=21)
17: Barbarian(17)
18: Barbarian(18)
19: Barbarian(19)
20: Barbarian(20): STR+1, (STR=19)
21: Fighter(1): Armor Skin
22: Fighter(2): Epic Weapon Focus: Greataxe
23: Fighter(3)
24: Fighter(4): STR+1, Weapon Specialization: Greataxe, Epic Weapon Specialization: Greataxe, (STR=20)
25: Barbarian(21)
26: Barbarian(22)
27: Barbarian(23): Terrifying Rage
28: Barbarian(24): STR+1, Mighty Rage, (STR=21)
29: Rogue(1)

Skills:
Discipline 31(36), Intimidate 32(31), Taunt 31(30), Tumble 30(31)


I'd prefer Rogue 2, but don't want to loose the Mighty Rage on the final Barb feat :/ Not a huge deal, though
Also, if the build is set with the Human subrace... there's an extra first level feat, right? Just curious.
Last: one free pre epic and one free epic feat

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MoshingChris
 
PostPosted: Sat, May 21 2011, 3:58 AM 

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Your going 21 Con. . .

Then take Epic Damage Reduction 1 2 3

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Naivatkal
 
PostPosted: Sat, May 21 2011, 4:17 AM 

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MoshingChris wrote:
Your going 21 Con. . .

Then take Epic Damage Reduction 1 2 3


That's only 9 damage shrugged off each time, does that really make a difference? I've just always been curious about that.
Like the mythal power DR +5/5, does that 5 damage really help?

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