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This was a tricky one! Lawful good and epic spell focus necromancy - HMMMMM...

Im stumped honestly. Astral deva works well with the alignment, But not the focus.
Golem works with alignment and perhaps the focus, since it's ... you know , Not alive? And definitely Anti-undead! (Since some spellcasters grab Necro focus to battle the necrotic)
Mummy is a no go on a Lawful good guy.
Sirrush should work - But it makes no sense.
Elemental since evocation focus merges with it?

http://www.amiaworld.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=47046
Check this Thread out. First page only.

And i still don't get why that thread isn't linked somewhere in the Rules and Lore Section?

As an evoker, the elemental one would fit nicely in my opinion.

But as a lawful good caster, I think the Astral Deva fits better. Depends entirely which approach you choose to take

The Astral Deva is Gate. The Outsider EMD gives an Arcadian Avenger.

By his own description, he says he's more of a benevolent aid-giver than an Evil-stamper-outer that the Arcadian is more geared towards. My opinion only.

Very_Svensk wrote:

But as a lawful good caster, I think the Astral Deva fits better. Depends entirely which approach you choose to take

What is the Astral Deva?!?

The chick to the far left
Correction!

The chick to the far left is an Arcanian Avenger. The Guy to the far right is An Astral Deva (Gate Summon)

The Arcanian Avenger is the Mummy Dust Variant.

Ok.... what would I have to pick to have that and what alignments is it made for?

Check the Link i posted and the answers given here? C'mon - we can't repeat ourselves indefinitely.

Lawfull good for Arcadian Avenger + Astral deva

bambootoothpick wrote:

Ok.... what would I have to pick to have that and what alignments is it made for?

You would select "Outsider" when you take Epic Mummy Dust and receive the book that lets you choose your summon. Gate will aleady be a Deva, no choice needed.

Very_Svensk wrote:

Check the Link i posted and the answers given here? C'mon - we can't repeat ourselves indefinitely.

Lawfull good for Arcadian Avenger + Astral deva

Well Astral Deva is not listed as an epic mummy dust summon. That was my confusing.

Got it thanks.

Hello everyone. I need a general opinion on a few choices I have to make in the near future. Currently a level 26 Shifter, 3 feats left to take. I already have Outsider, and I spend alot of time with Rakshasa. These are the possibilities:

1. Maximise Spell, Armor Skin, Undead or Construct Shape.
2. 2 x Gr Wisdom, Dragonshape.
3. Undead, Construct, Maximise Spell.
4. Taking all suggestions!

At the moment I'm thinking #1, so that AC in each form is slightly improved, Max spell for Rakshasa's ice storm, and not sure whether the benefits of undead outweigh the stigma against using the shapes.

RE undead shape, there is no IC stigma with it at all from what I have observed.

That said, #2 is the option I would personally take.

TormakSaber wrote:

Also: Initiative feats are worthless because your dexterity is going to cover it, and due to the realtime combat engine, attacking from stealth automatically gets you the first swings on a flatfooted person, and then you HIPS and do it all over.

PaladinOfSune wrote:

Relying entirely on HiPS to win battles will get you killed, both in PvM and PvP. Epic Dodge is an incredibly, incredibly, incredibly good feat and you'd do yourself an injustice not taking it on a build with the prerequisites already laid on a plate for you.

Thank you both for the info. I'll be back after a re-think.

Ok guys. I am back to my cleric build messing around, and here's what I'm leaning towards now...
(By the way, NWN randomly generated a character named Willy Smith for me...)
Human, LN Cleric of Torm. Which requires a two hander because that is that faith's weapon of choice.

First a question: Can I get a monkey grip widget without spending DCs on it or is it a DC request item?

Str: 17
Dex: 8
Con: 10
Wis: 16
Int: 12
Cha: 9

1. F1. Power Attack, Weapon Focus Greatsword, Blind Fight
2. C1.
3. C2. Cleave.
4. C3. Str 18.
5. C4.
6. C5. Extend Spell.
7. C6.
8. C7. Wis 17.
9. C8. Great Cleave.
10. F2. Improved Critical Greatsword
11. F3.
12. F4. Str 19. Weapon Specialization Greatsword, Maximize Spell.
13. C9.
14. C10.
15. C11. Spell Focus Conjuration.
16. C12. Str 20.
17. C13.
18. C14. Greater Spell Focus Conjuration.
19. C15.
20. C16. Wisdom 18.
21. C17. Epic Weapon Focus Greatsword.
22. C18.
23. C19.
24. C20. Str 21, Great Strength (22).
25. C21.
26. C22.
27. C23. Epic Spell Dragon Knight, Great Wisdom (19).
28. F5. Wis 20.
29. F6. Epic Weapon Specialization.
30. R1. Overwhelming Critical (Greatsword).

End spread: 23 cleric/6 fighter/1 rogue.

Question: Overwhelming critical or epic spell focus: Conjuration at 30?
Another question: Would it be a better idea to spend my 23 cleric bonus feat on armor skin and just go with a 19 wisdom build?
Final question: Editted to clarify: Is there a good ALIGNED version of epic mummy dust that makes it worth taking that rather than dragon knight?

SacredOak wrote:

Hello everyone. I need a general opinion on a few choices I have to make in the near future. Currently a level 26 Shifter, 3 feats left to take. I already have Outsider, and I spend alot of time with Rakshasa. These are the possibilities:

1. Maximise Spell, Armor Skin, Undead or Construct Shape.
2. 2 x Gr Wisdom, Dragonshape.
3. Undead, Construct, Maximise Spell.
4. Taking all suggestions!

At the moment I'm thinking #1, so that AC in each form is slightly improved, Max spell for Rakshasa's ice storm, and not sure whether the benefits of undead outweigh the stigma against using the shapes.

#3.

Do bear in mind, however, that unless you're able to cast Ice Storm maximised, you can't cast it maximised on the rakshasa form either.

Yeah, I'd suggest undead, construct and armor skin.

You need 15 levels of druid to max ice storm.

So, after everything's done and worked with I feel like taking Great Fortitude instead of Potions/Wands is more useful. What do y'all think?

Swallow: Sure, go ahead.

Khaun: I'd personally begin with a point lower strength, invest more in INT and CON - INT just to snatch IKD, so 13 at least, and CON because you've got to put the scraps somewhere. Also, Overwhelming requires STR 23, which you will not attain, so it'd be wiser to drop PA, Cleave and Great Cleave for KD and IKD at least. This new spread also untaps an epic feat. To your final question, yes there is/are. Look above.

I've never heard anything of gods enforcing their priests to using their weapons of choice. It may be a tribute of some sort, but really it's not at all mandatory. And yes, Monkey Grip is a DC request item.

I noticed that my lvl 17 cleric's Divine Favor only adds +4 dmg / +4 attack rather than the +5 indicated by the spell. I have not seen any indication that it has been changed in this regard on Amia. Am I crazy?

It should top at +5 at CL 20.

NWN wiki shows it capping at +5 at lvl 15. http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Divine_favor

I'm guessing the table is in error.

NWN wiki is right. But Amia altered it twice. For a short time, it topped at +5 at CL 25, then it scaled back again.

Can someone from the DM team please confirm whether or not Clerics are required to use their deity's chosen weapon? I was under the impression that they were but Uncle Opustus does not seem to think so.

Edit: Nevermind saw the post at top of the page.

Weapon? No.

Domains? Very soon.

Thanks. Does the weapon question apply to paladins? I could've sworn there was a certain class that had to use their diety's weapon.

You may be thinking of Favoured Soul, which gain bonuses toward their deity's favoured weapon. Either way, there's no classes like that on NWN.

If someone wanted to make an elven paladin, would it be possible? Thinking a 20 Paladin/10 Champion of Corellon would work maybe?

I know the Seldarine are of the Chaotic variety and I wan't sure if it was the same as the Eilistreans?

Oh zes zes, it works splendid. There are numerous elven paladins around.
It was just the 2;th edition that had paladin as a human class onlz. (Which i still think should have been)

Oh ho? Then it is time to start planning a Paladin build that would most be a great smiter. Toss in some CoC (Champion of Corellon) and sprinkle in either a fighter for more of the melee prowess, or rogue, but I'd feel dirty having rogue...

Maybe a dual wielding paladin!? Pop a few divine shields and I could be untouchable.. for a lil while at least. Or just go dual sword paladin of corellon for cool factor...

Sowrd/Shield, Dual weapons, Two Bladed Sword, or.. A spear. Oh, the choices... the choices

Its quite trickz to get a dual wielding paladin. Could work well if zou invested in DEX as the main attribute?

Oh?? A DEX based Elven Paladin. Joo tell me what this particular build would grant me and how effective it would to serve Corellon, and I shall see to it! Ah'm still thinking a Spear based one would do me right fine work, aye..

A dual wielding paladin sounds awesome, but you stretch yourself so thinly. 13 STR, 13 CHA, 14 WIS, 15 DEX...Minimum. End up with no skills and no HP.

ITs very possible to make a Dual wielding Paladin. Remember a Paladin only needs 14 in its main combat stat to hit 50 AB

8 Modifier + 25 BAB + 5 GMW + 5 Favor + 4 EWF/Prowess + 3 Aid/Bless/Prayer

For an elf.

14STR 16DEX 9 CON 14WIS 13CHA 12INT
Into
14STR 18DEX 9 CON 14WIS 18CHA 12INT

23Paladin 6Fighter 1Rogue

Feats: Weapon Focus, Power Attack, Might, Shield, Extend Spell, Improved Critical, Weapon Finesse
Fighter: Ambidex, Blindfight, TWF

Epic: Improved Two Weapon Fighting, Epic Discipline, Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Spec
Fighter: Weapon Spec
Paladin: Armor Skin

Weapon finesse only works with certain weapons. Dagger, handaxe, kama, kukri, light hammer, mace, rapier, shortsword, sickle, whip, and unarmed strike.

Handaxes are the coolest weapons to dual wield

may or may not work for an elven paladin of Corellon though...

Ulir wrote:

Weapon finesse only works with certain weapons. Dagger, handaxe, kama, kukri, light hammer, mace, rapier, shortsword, sickle, whip, and unarmed strike.

Light weapons.

Hmm, is a mithril longsword a light weapon?

Kudark wrote:

Ulir wrote:

Weapon finesse only works with certain weapons. Dagger, handaxe, kama, kukri, light hammer, mace, rapier, shortsword, sickle, whip, and unarmed strike.

Light weapons.

Hmm, is a mithril longsword a light weapon?

An item made from mithral weighs half as much as the same item made from other metals. In the case of weapons, this lighter weight does not change a weapon’s size category or the ease with which it can be wielded (whether it is light, one-handed, or two-handed). Items not primarily of metal are not meaningfully affected by being partially made of mithral. (A longsword can be a mithral weapon, while a scythe cannot be.)
from http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialMaterials.htm

Khaunwalksthisearth wrote:

Handaxes are the coolest weapons to dual wield

may or may not work for an elven paladin of Corellon though...

Oh yus, they would be! But for a Corellon devout, I'ma have to say Rapiers would be my best bet for him.

I think I'm going to take this build, but If one wanted to do a Spear Paladin of Corellon, but wanted to go great smite, and be the bane of all evil, I suppose I could just go full CHA with this build given to me

Which reminds me, an Aasimar Elf is okay to have yes? I think only a tiefer elf isn't, but I'm just curious.

Spear + Elf + Corellon?

Sacreligious, 'twas Gruumsh's spear that opposed Corellon.

It's not that bad. Angharradh uses a Spear.

Triune isn't Corellon!

...No. But you'd think if he really had that much of a problem with spears, he'd maybe have a word?

Sin4given wrote:

Which reminds me, an Aasimar Elf is okay to have yes? I think only a tiefer elf isn't, but I'm just curious.

They're both okay to have. It's just the tiefer elf can't be called a fey'ri. And I cry whenever I see tiefer elves. They're not that common! The elves learned from the fey'ri experiment!

In any case, there's only one issue with the aasimar elf. You won't be immediately able to bind in Winya.

Then Dual rapiers I suppose :O.

Never played a DEX based Paladin class.. I'm guessing to get a safe AC, I need to not wear Fullplate?

Sin4given wrote:

Then Dual rapiers I suppose :O.

Never played a DEX based Paladin class.. I'm guessing to get a safe AC, I need to not wear Fullplate?

My guess is that you're not going to be wearing any armor. Get some monk robes boiiii!

I will kick arse in my silky morning robe then.

Alright, going with the DEX path, I want to see how a 23 pally/4ftr/3monk build using cloth armor and dual shortswords

.

So...I have an idea for one of those 'glass cannon' kind of builds, and I was wondering how badly the environment will smoke my @ss with an AC ~45? That's w/o haste, and what I'm expecting to get from stat bonuses. I MAY get to 50 w/o haste...but I doubt it. Straight melee character, no inherent DR; just an AC of 45-47.

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