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Nekhy
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 Posted: Thu, Feb 17 2011, 17:25 PM |
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Joined: 29 Dec 2009
Location: A beautiful fowl house in A'dam
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This should be clarified for all factions at once.
Faction moderators have the ability to edit other players' posts, but the common policy of Amia is that this is not done. The DMs don't just delete someone's posts from a discussion without a trace, but we remove them to a closed forum if needed and faction moderators are not exception to this policy. (ask a DM to remove a flamy post, if necessary)
Faction mods have the edit and delete abilities to do maintenance on the stickies and announcements of the forum they moderate. It is not to be used for deleting/editing posts that don't please the moderator, whether they are posts by other players or DMs.
Thanks.
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Herra Tutteri
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Posted: Thu, Feb 17 2011, 19:05 PM |
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Joined: 22 Jul 2005
Location: Vaasa, Finland
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I assume this thread is made due to what's been going on in the Kelly threads, sí?
_________________ Characters: Hunar Iroff, The red-bearded, grumpy dwarf with a bastard sword. Chair of Military Issues Daren Sten, High Inquisitor of the Eternal Order of Kelemvor on Amia 
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Nekhy
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Posted: Thu, Feb 17 2011, 19:16 PM |
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Joined: 29 Dec 2009
Location: A beautiful fowl house in A'dam
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I don't know what's been going on in the Kelly forums. This topic is for all factions, to those where improper moderation has happened and to those who didn't know what the policy is.
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Current plots:
DIVIDE BY ZERO ERROR
Prod me for development-related stuff.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Thu, Feb 17 2011, 19:24 PM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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if you abuse this, we simply demote you. No fuss no guff, you simply won't moderate. Seems a simple thing.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Herra Tutteri
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Posted: Thu, Feb 17 2011, 19:50 PM |
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Joined: 22 Jul 2005
Location: Vaasa, Finland
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Meh, fine, I'll stop cleaning the Memberlist thread of OOC crap.
_________________ Characters: Hunar Iroff, The red-bearded, grumpy dwarf with a bastard sword. Chair of Military Issues Daren Sten, High Inquisitor of the Eternal Order of Kelemvor on Amia
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Thu, Feb 17 2011, 19:57 PM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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If we had a problem you'd know it, Herra.
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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Nekhy
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Posted: Thu, Feb 17 2011, 20:17 PM |
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Joined: 29 Dec 2009
Location: A beautiful fowl house in A'dam
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Cleaning relevant IC and OOC topics of spam is OK, that's what the edit button is there for: making sure the topics with relevant faction information stay clean, up-to-date and readable.
What shouldn't be done is for example silence people by deleting posts if you disagree, or secretly edit someone else's post in a debate or add or remove something to make yourself or a friend look better. If these arguments happen in relevant IC or OOC topics, it's better to split the posts from the posts you want to keep instead of deleting them, though.
It's not rocket science: if you'd find something you're about to do underhanded or unfair when done to you, don't do it.
And never edit, delete or split a DM post from a topic that is still in discussion. There's usually a reason a DM will post in a topic, and once the discussion is over they can be split and moved to a hidden forum, if needed.
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Current plots:
DIVIDE BY ZERO ERROR
Prod me for development-related stuff.
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Dramatic_Prince
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Posted: Sun, Feb 20 2011, 6:22 AM |
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Joined: 11 Sep 2008
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I have a comment about DM editing of posts.
When a DM edit is done, it does not state who did the editing.
I think it's only fair to know who handed me a reprimand if I did something wrong.
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Prescia the Pristine Voice
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HellScourge
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Posted: Sun, Feb 20 2011, 14:24 PM |
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Joined: 17 Jan 2007
Location: GMT+1
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Some dm's actually write
edit by <dm name>: <Reason>
_________________ "Most assume that all the followers of Lathander are great morning people. They're very wrong." "I think we are the only group where AD&D stands for Attention Deficit Disorder." TeroSNS wrote: Hello Everyone [...] I like tentacles [...] 
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Dramatic_Prince
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Posted: Sun, Feb 20 2011, 15:15 PM |
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Joined: 11 Sep 2008
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Point being some don't?
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Prescia the Pristine Voice
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Herra Tutteri
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Posted: Sun, Feb 20 2011, 15:35 PM |
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Joined: 22 Jul 2005
Location: Vaasa, Finland
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Dramatic_Prince wrote: Point being some don't? Point being not all do it anonymously. _________________ Characters: Hunar Iroff, The red-bearded, grumpy dwarf with a bastard sword. Chair of Military Issues Daren Sten, High Inquisitor of the Eternal Order of Kelemvor on Amia
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Dramatic_Prince
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Posted: Sun, Feb 20 2011, 15:45 PM |
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Joined: 11 Sep 2008
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Then would those who do, please stop being anonymous?
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Prescia the Pristine Voice
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sun, Feb 20 2011, 19:40 PM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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I agree with dramatic here. But not just on faction posts, but all posts that DM's edit.
Little annoying.
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I keels u with my axe!
"Do ye know where the Holy-Flamin' Frost-brand Gronk-slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' woundin' an' returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-out-yer-bum is?"
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corypx
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Posted: Sun, Feb 20 2011, 19:52 PM |
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Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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yes but you can see why they dont post thier name sometimes to avoid unwanted drama if a player has that big of a problem with the edit I'm sure you can PM Nekhy as I think she was the person you went to if you had a problem with a DM or belive it was a unfair banning...ect
_________________ ================-<Cory ShadowFlame>-================ Risenlord-Shifter(OMG a Non-Dragon Shifter that can hold his own in PvE) 
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sun, Feb 20 2011, 19:56 PM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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Nekh stepped down as Head DM I believe.
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I keels u with my axe!
"Do ye know where the Holy-Flamin' Frost-brand Gronk-slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' woundin' an' returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-out-yer-bum is?"
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Lally
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Posted: Sun, Feb 20 2011, 21:59 PM |
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Joined: 16 Jun 2007
Location: Leather chair, USA. Tell me about your mother.
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She's still head DM, but I take the complaints now.
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We are all here on earth to help others; what on earth the others are here for I don't know.
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ainjyll
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Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 4:50 AM |
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Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: wilmington, nc
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I don't really see a problem with an edit. If a DM steps in and edits your post, it's probably because you said something you really shouldn't have. That leaves the DM's with three options: edit the post, delete the post or ban the poster. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I would much prefer the first option over the latter two.
But, this is about forum moderators editing posts, not DM's.
_________________  "I once took the high road and it took me straight to hell and I stood there all by myself." -Hank III
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Yossarin
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Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 5:28 AM |
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Joined: 23 Jan 2006
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This thread also gives the impression that DMs regularly make edits to players' posts and do so without attribution. This is not true. We very, very rarely do so, and whenever we have to, there may not be a public mention of it made, but a private mention of it is usually made to the player in question. At least I think so. We SO VERY RARELY EVER DO THIS that there's not even really any protocol to it save our own common, ethical sense. Aka, "I see what you did there", making a nearly one-time occurrence seem like a casual trend. 
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Snape75
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Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 5:35 AM |
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Joined: 30 May 2008
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Unless I'm just oblivious, I've yet to notice a DM edit any of my posts...or anyone's posts, for that matter.
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Dramatic_Prince
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Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 7:16 AM |
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Joined: 11 Sep 2008
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ainjyll wrote: But, this is about forum moderators editing posts, not DM's. DMs are forum moderators. We're not saying it happens a lot. I don't know because I don't have access to all the forums. But I'm not the only one who has noticed this. Selvec has given his opinion as well. As for Cory's statement of wanting to avoid drama, that just suggests the DM is chickening out. And I find it offensive. _________________
Prescia the Pristine Voice
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The Peacock
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Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 10:43 AM |
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Joined: 17 Feb 2007
Location: Patrollink ze borderz! Wo ist das Hahn!?
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DMs have and do do this - so I particularly find this thread amusing. I do hope Nekhy's post is in retaliation to ALL of those who may be responsible for this and not just 'faction moderators'. I won't mention specific incidents but I have witnessed on many ocassions DMs editing or outright deleting posts due to disagreement or silencing of a particular thought.
This also goes the same for locking threads... I may as well bring this up as it frustrates me beyond all nines. When a DM locks a thread, it is necessary for that DM to remain a neutral, unbias third party and state the reason for lock without any insinuation to a particular individual preference (ie. getting the last word in). It's BAD PLAY, and only spawns resentment for the big kid in the sand box with his pockets full of coins.
Can we also address this issue if we're going to address forms of silencing individuals as ethically wrong?
_________________  'Ze Cock! Ze Cock ist shtill aut der!! Kapitulation feiern - NEIN DANKE!'
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ainjyll
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Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 14:30 PM |
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Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: wilmington, nc
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Dramatic_Prince wrote: ainjyll wrote: But, this is about forum moderators editing posts, not DM's. DMs are forum moderators. We're not saying it happens a lot. I don't know because I don't have access to all the forums. But I'm not the only one who has noticed this. Selvec has given his opinion as well. As for Cory's statement of wanting to avoid drama, that just suggests the DM is chickening out. And I find it offensive. Whoops... accidentally left out a word. Faction forum moderators.... as in, people who aren't DM's that have the ability within their faction forums to edit, delete and lock posts and threads. Just to reiterate: Yoss wrote: This thread also gives the impression that DMs regularly make edits to players' posts and do so without attribution. This is not true. We very, very rarely do so, and whenever we have to, there may not be a public mention of it made, but a private mention of it is usually made to the player in question. So, just because you don't know who edited the post doesn't mean that the person who's post was edited doesn't know. I'm sure there are lots of things that go on behind the scenes that we, as a collective group of players, have no idea about. Things are handled in PM's, via MSN, etc. Just because you don't an explanation doesn't mean that one wasn't given. And for the record, the only edit I've ever seen was because someone posted an exploit and that exploit was removed and an explanation given as to why the post was edited. _________________ "I once took the high road and it took me straight to hell and I stood there all by myself." -Hank III
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Nekhy
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Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 15:23 PM |
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Joined: 29 Dec 2009
Location: A beautiful fowl house in A'dam
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I have a log of each and every edit and deletion available. If you think something was unfairly edited it's a matter of a simple check who did and what did.
Though, the DM edits are almost without exception removing stuff that should not be posted such as exploits and specific incidents, followed by a post by the DM who edited.
Disco is the effective head DM, btw, since he's the server host.
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Current plots:
DIVIDE BY ZERO ERROR
Prod me for development-related stuff.
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corypx
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Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 16:36 PM |
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Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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Dramatic_Prince wrote: ainjyll wrote: But, this is about forum moderators editing posts, not DM's. DMs are forum moderators. We're not saying it happens a lot. I don't know because I don't have access to all the forums. But I'm not the only one who has noticed this. Selvec has given his opinion as well. As for Cory's statement of wanting to avoid drama, that just suggests the DM is chickening out. And I find it offensive. your offended because a DM removed something for a reason that chances are most DMs would have given seeing it themself and did not post thier name maybe to avoid drama? so lets say Lally is playing a PC who lives in Skeletors Logtown, and I make a post being a giant A-hole and maybe some specific incidents to top it off. lally as a DM would deal with such a post, but your assuming I'm in a bad mood because I just made a very rude post....now their is a chance if I knew who it was I might get mad at them....and maybe even take it out on them IC. so yes I can see why DMs might edit a post and not leave thier name to avoid unwanted drama if they are forced to edit someoness post, sometimes its better to be faceless in cases if the person needs to cooldown, or you have alot of dealings with them IC, but thats just my view. _________________ ================-<Cory ShadowFlame>-================ Risenlord-Shifter(OMG a Non-Dragon Shifter that can hold his own in PvE)
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Nysor
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Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 16:41 PM |
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Joined: 03 Oct 2008
Location: Wherever it is, it better not be cold
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Nekhy wrote: Disco is the effective head DM, btw, since he's the server host. Shout: A giant robotic death chicken lands in the Amia Forest and nukes Amia to hell. All PCs, NPCs, towns, and plotlines are destroyed! *Meanwhile, Disco flips a large switch...*
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Solrend Inignus: The Kossuthian cleric who is "hot, but not in that way"
Adin Twitterleaf: Crazy elven trickster.
Isaac Kley: Young gimp of a sorcerer.
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Lally
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Posted: Mon, Feb 21 2011, 16:42 PM |
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Joined: 16 Jun 2007
Location: Leather chair, USA. Tell me about your mother.
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This almost never happens ever. When it does, it's for reasons said above. However if I do it, I'll sign it. Even when we don't sign it we'll usually explain that we did in a post under it.
It especially won't be happening in Logtown.
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We are all here on earth to help others; what on earth the others are here for I don't know.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Tue, Feb 22 2011, 9:28 AM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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Nekhy wrote: Disco is the effective head DM, btw, since he's the server host. Yes but you control the sex, so that makes you head DM xD
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I keels u with my axe!
"Do ye know where the Holy-Flamin' Frost-brand Gronk-slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' woundin' an' returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-out-yer-bum is?"
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TheGoddessOfAmazing©
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Posted: Tue, Feb 22 2011, 21:07 PM |
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Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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