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Ravenovf
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 Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 17:21 PM |
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Joined: 17 Dec 2004
Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia (in Canada)
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Seems a lot of people like to request undead as PCs witch causes alot of problems for game balance so I have to wonder if anyone has ever suggested half-vampires, not as a standard race but a DC request race.
Nat Ac +2
1d4 Slam attack (1d3 for small sized)
Special power (Select one)
-Blood drain/heal by drinking blood (Also causes the flaw of blood dependency)
-Charm gaze
-Summon creatures of the night
Blood dependcy if the they dont use blood drain on something once a day they start to suffer fatigue -2 str dex and con until they feed
DR 5/+1
Fast healing 1
Resistance cold and electricity -/5
+2 Str, +2 Dex, +2 Cha
+2 racial bonus to Bluff, Hide, Move silent, Listen, Spot
Bonus feat: Improved Initiative
ECL+2
Though even looking at Id pump the ECL to +4 or nerf it from its PnP stats seems over powered to me.
Another option might be to request a hooded pupil, Mortals tainted with necrotic magic and vampire blood through dark rites.
Clutch of orcus 1/day (Spell that doesnt exsist in nwns so its moot)
Spider Climb (cant really climb in NWNs so also moot)
Drink blood (A hooded pupil can drink the blood of a pined or held foe dealing 2 points of con damage, could easily replace with vampirc touch ability or some such)
Resistance to cold 5
+2 Str +2 Wis +2 Cha
+2 racial bonus Hide, Move Silently, Listen and Spot
Bonus feats: Improved Intuitive, Lighting reflexes, Alertness
ECL+2
Still a bit to powerful compared to the ECL if you ask me, but at least both have some level of ties to the powers of undeath with out the pesky Crit and mind effecting Immunities that so thoroughly mess Game Balance up, either way just some thoughts for people clamoring to be undeadish without selling out to the PM PRC or worshiping a select handful of gods who promote undeath.
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corypx
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 19:41 PM |
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undead cant use heal potions, so they are not a race of undeath if they can chug them like anyone else.
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Silent2001
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 19:47 PM |
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Joined: 19 Jun 2007
Location: United Kingdomshire
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BAELNORNS!
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 19:52 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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I'll just sit back and wait for the DM team to respond properly. I know the official statement is 'No' Since it's near impossible to play a vampire.
I mean - You can't even go out during daylight. And it imposes a problem when In game-Days are only 20 minutes long.
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Dark Immolation
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 19:56 PM |
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Ew, ew, ew ,ew, ew. No.
No McZombies. No Edward Sparklepants. No WoW-Undeadies please.
And the stats make absolutely no sense to me. When has being dead made you more agile, stronger, better looking, more personable or faster-healing than normal a race?
If people want to be undead or have undead-like powers, take PM, Cleric, Sorcerer, or request something. I really see no need for a DC race just because there have been a lot of requests to be undead. And even if those were approved, they'd still have gotten no more abilities or powers than any other person that would take PM, etc etc.
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corypx
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 20:32 PM |
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Dark Immolation wrote: And the stats make absolutely no sense to me. When has being dead made you more agile, stronger, better looking, more personable or faster-healing than normal a race? in the case of a vampire it does make you like all the things listed, but a real undead subrace I dont see happening. side note if they did and they got to chug heal potions and were not set as undead race, Skeletor would throw a one man riot. _________________ ================-<Cory ShadowFlame>-================ Risenlord-Shifter(OMG a Non-Dragon Shifter that can hold his own in PvE)
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jimbono1
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 20:39 PM |
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Joined: 30 Sep 2007
Location: England
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No point in being undead really, considering you do not get the Undead Traits, thus rendering it rather pointless. I mean, being a lich who does not get damaged by Heal spells, and gets hurt by Harm spells. And being able to be critted/sneaked. Not worth the RP.
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Silvarus
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 20:50 PM |
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Joined: 23 Sep 2005
Location: Jyväskylä, Finland, Europe
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No no no no no no no no no no no no no NO
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 21:00 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
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jimbono1 wrote: No point in being undead really, considering you do not get the Undead Traits, thus rendering it rather pointless. I mean, being a lich who does not get damaged by Heal spells, and gets hurt by Harm spells. And being able to be critted/sneaked. Not worth the RP. HEY. You do not Rp for months just to get the Freakin' Stats! Bad! Bad Opinion!
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hendrack
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 21:03 PM |
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Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Location: Vienna
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The half-vampire gets only one pointy tooth then? Btw read the sidebar and request stickies. DC subraces don't get stats or special properties. Quote: *Even if approved, the character WILL NOT have any special powers, be they racial or class-based, beyond what is normally allowed of pnp spells on Amia. Telepathy is most especially not permitted. The race will NOT be scripted with special stats, abilities, spells, etc (as in, it won't be like the subraces on the sidebar of the forum). It will NOT have any increased ability modifiers, or skills, or anything along those lines. It will in fact have nothing otehr than the special bonuses granted by the base NWN race you choose to use, such as elf, or human.
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Wolfking6116
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 21:11 PM |
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Joined: 10 Jan 2008
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He meant Platinum Coin, like the Fae.
Edit; on the subject of attempted nerf for those stats...
Drop the strength, resistance, all special powers, blood dependancy is a requirement. The other stuff like the nat armour is easily overridden by amulets, the DR is useless past level 8, +1 regen would mean practically nothing in most fights.
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Last edited by Wolfking6116 on Wed, Nov 10 2010, 21:15 PM, edited 1 time in total.
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corypx
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 21:11 PM |
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Very_Svensk wrote: jimbono1 wrote: No point in being undead really, considering you do not get the Undead Traits, thus rendering it rather pointless. I mean, being a lich who does not get damaged by Heal spells, and gets hurt by Harm spells. And being able to be critted/sneaked. Not worth the RP. HEY. You do not Rp for months just to get the Freakin' Stats! Bad! Bad Opinion! I think he means if you go up and heal a skeleton and it does not get hurt its not undead IC no matter how much RP you did. I know a PC has a reskined something as a skeleton I used a heal spell on it and it healed him(or would have if not for his full HP) and IC that just looks stupid when a Non undead something is reskined to a undead and all anti undead things fail. _________________ ================-<Cory ShadowFlame>-================ Risenlord-Shifter(OMG a Non-Dragon Shifter that can hold his own in PvE)
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hendrack
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 21:15 PM |
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Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Location: Vienna
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Wolfking6116 wrote: He meant Platinum Coin, like the Fae. Well, theres a lot of bad blood about adding gnolls as subrace, you think undead will fare better? DMs will get a a fit of laughter locking this. 
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 21:18 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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Do we need to say more? I mean, We'll just have to wait for a DM To chime in and post the Teams official statement on Undead.
Until then - Shall we derail it with ferrets?
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Wolfking6116
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 21:19 PM |
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TormakSaber wrote: There is quite a bit more to being a Vampire that you appear to have missed. No crossing running water, no submersion in running water (or perma-death), the shunning or mirrors, garlic , holy symbols, the inability to enter private places without explicit permission, the requirement to rest in a coffin or be utterly destroyed (perma-death), the destruction in the sunlight (of which Amia's short in day night/day cycle will give much trouble... and also perma-death you) Taken from a recent request... These would also be mandatory in RP of said 'vampire', else you get a 2 month ban, in my opinion. -nodnod- Side note; The actual thing about destruction in sunlight is -no where- in the myth of Vampires. It was invented by the first Movie rendition of Bram Stoker's Dracula. It was simply easier for Vampires to attack their prey at night, as it was presumed they were either weak during the day or easily spotted. Both are possible. PS. Twilight should burn in the firey, firey pits of all the hells. Edit; Svensk... No. -_- Derailing is very disrespectful, no matter what the topic is. Edit2; Also I don't think they -have- to rest in coffins... but its usually safest. Now, if they are destroyed in combat and float away then they must return to their coffin to recuperate, yar. _________________ Jack Tesilent - Jack's Bio
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 21:33 PM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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I believe the fact that this thread was moved from Requests to Improving Amia and then I immediately kicked it to General Discussion should speak volumes about how serious I take this whatever it is.
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corypx
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 21:35 PM |
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MoshingChris wrote: I believe the fact that this thread was moved from Requests to Improving Amia and then I immediately kicked it to General Discussion should speak volumes about how serious I take this whatever it is. so does that mean harm potion spam? _________________ ================-<Cory ShadowFlame>-================ Risenlord-Shifter(OMG a Non-Dragon Shifter that can hold his own in PvE)
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FastKev
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 21:38 PM |
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Wolfking6116 wrote: Side note; The actual thing about destruction in sunlight is -no where- in the myth of Vampires. It was invented by the first Movie rendition of Bram Stoker's Dracula. It was simply easier for Vampires to attack their prey at night, as it was presumed they were either weak during the day or easily spotted. Both are possible. Actually, if you're referring to the version with Gary Oldman as Dracula, then he was out during the day then as well. They made it clear he could go out with reduced abilities when he first went after Mina looking younger. Also, if the DM's ever allowed some sort of undead sub-type to be applied to a character, wouldn't this work the same as allowing Lycanthropy to a character?
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Dev Disco
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 21:44 PM |
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HRM Chicken I of Amia
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: Amsterdam
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Damn, and here I thought we got a thread about Necro Formula One.
Bring on the Senna Zombie Squad!
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Wolfking6116
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 21:44 PM |
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@Fastkev; Really? Well, I only saw the last bit where he dies in the sunlight of the window...
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DustSpray101
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 21:49 PM |
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Joined: 27 Jun 2008
Location: Night Vale
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How does one even become half-vampire with 3 or rather 1 level to start with (given that with +2 ECL, you start fresh off the boat at 1 lvl)? That subrace would assume you were born on Amia, aka misfit land of smite happy paladins and turn pleasured clerics. So you sure didnt come from a populated location... Possible starting locations are also minimal, so that limits you to the UD? Oh wait... Millions of uncharted waterfalls down there... And the rivers... And vast tide tossed lakes... Tarkuul maybe? But then there is the water in the marshes there by the Trogs... I can't think of a continuous combo of areas greater than 3 that avoid you crossing running water.
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Wolfking6116
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 21:51 PM |
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Marsh water is typically still, if I recall.
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DustSpray101
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 22:00 PM |
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Technically any body of water that is subjected to the pull of the moon or swells with rain water is considered to be in motion as it's shores would both recede and bulge. Two terms which imply motion when used as verbs.
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Dark Immolation
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 22:05 PM |
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I'm sure it's the doing of a god or something. Some Toril-encompassing magic that a nature god did at the creation of Toril for flowing water to form a natural barrier to undead. *shrug* There's a difference between running and moving, I think is the point. Most water is moving. But not all of it runs as a whole from one point to another.
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FastKev
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 22:07 PM |
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Wolfking6116 wrote: @Fastkev; Really? Well, I only saw the last bit where he dies in the sunlight of the window... Actually he died from a big knife in the chest through the heart, followed by having his head cut off. Sunlight had nothing to do with it other than dramatic effect. This digresses though from the discussion at hand. heh
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Wolfking6116
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 22:14 PM |
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We're talking about two different movies, mate. >.> I'm talking about.... OH! Nosferatu! That's what it was called.
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FastKev
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 22:16 PM |
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Yes...yes we are, but to be fair you did say Bram Stokers to start 
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Wolfking6116
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 22:31 PM |
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Nosferatu is based on Bram Stoker, but not exact. But you are correct, I worded my statement wrong about the movie. =P
So yes, the vampires destruction in the daylight stemmed from the aforementioned movie. If someone can pull some myth, legend, or story from a time long before the movie was produced to prove me wrong, please do. I'm always curious about this sort of thing.
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Gravemaskin
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 23:10 PM |
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To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't mind it if some players got to play undead as long as they adopt the undead weaknesses as well.. It would be fun, especially since every ranged person on Amia has on hit slay undead arrows, clerics have turn undeads.. and not to mention the mass heals, undeath to deaths and so on. OH and the fact that some of the undead PCs would instantly die if they walked into sunlight..
I'm pretty sure that if ANYONE ever actually got to play one of those races, and had to suffer trough all the IC PC hatred for being an undead, weaknesses and only about 23-24 minutes to run about outside during the day... they'd get pretty damn tired of it all in under a week.
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Gunz
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 23:23 PM |
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Half-Vampire... Ugh... Makes me wanna hurt things...
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 23:36 PM |
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o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote: Half-Vampire... Ugh... Makes me wanna hurt things... Think Blade I and Blade II
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Gravemaskin
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 23:36 PM |
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o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote: Half-Vampire... Ugh... Makes me wanna hurt things... People that become half-vampires sleep on their side. If cought unaware they may wake up with a dead leg. This is the first step in the journey to half-undeath! Be glad your arm wasn't the same when you wake up.. .or you would become one of them! DUN DUN DUUUUUN! 
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corypx
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Posted: Wed, Nov 10 2010, 23:37 PM |
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o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote: Half-Vampire... Ugh... Makes me wanna hurt things... you thought all the Drizzt Do'Urden's were bad running around, just wait till you have 100 Wesley Snipes running around as Blade. _________________ ================-<Cory ShadowFlame>-================ Risenlord-Shifter(OMG a Non-Dragon Shifter that can hold his own in PvE)
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Dark Immolation
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Posted: Thu, Nov 11 2010, 1:03 AM |
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corypx wrote: you thought all the Drizzt Do'Urden's were bad running around, just wait till you have 100 Wesley Snipes running around as Blade. Nah, it would be okay because 99 of them would get caught for tax evasion. The one left would be smitten on sight by a paladin as soon as the words "I am a half-vampire" crossed his lips.
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Fox Nightshade
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Posted: Thu, Nov 11 2010, 1:50 AM |
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At least they wouldn't have wings like half of Amia's population. Oh wait... they could... _________________ Characters: Fox Nightshade, Liyra, Madison Harker (Log in: MD88) (Amia Chat)
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Strawberry Stallion
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Posted: Thu, Nov 11 2010, 1:54 AM |
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Undead have less to offer and less chance of ever being approved / accepted than a monsterous race such as Gnolls etc, so may as well just lock this already.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Thu, Nov 11 2010, 7:45 AM |
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Can someone give me a cliffnotes of this topic? It's a lot to read for what I am making a solid guess is already covered gorund, i.e. - we're not adding subraces, vampires must abide by all the rules and regulations, undead are extremely hard to request. Anything else a DM needs to address here in the main scheem of things?
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Silvarus
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Posted: Thu, Nov 11 2010, 8:00 AM |
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TormakSaber wrote: Can someone give me a cliffnotes of this topic? It's a lot to read for what I am making a solid guess is already covered gorund, i.e. - we're not adding subraces, vampires must abide by all the rules and regulations, undead are extremely hard to request. Anything else a DM needs to address here in the main scheem of things? Nope. There is nothing to add.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Thu, Nov 11 2010, 14:11 PM |
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You can lock this down Tormak.
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Selmak
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Posted: Thu, Nov 11 2010, 15:37 PM |
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A pale-skinned human (just human) with really fast reflexes and a steady aim with the crossbow. Who needs a vampire PC when you can just look like one?
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xXxSuShiKunxXx
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Posted: Thu, Nov 11 2010, 18:19 PM |
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Dark Immolation wrote: corypx wrote: you thought all the Drizzt Do'Urden's were bad running around, just wait till you have 100 Wesley Snipes running around as Blade. Nah, it would be okay because 99 of them would get caught for tax evasion. The one left would be smitten on sight by a paladin as soon as the words "I am a half-vampire" crossed his lips. ..... >.> Shame on you.... That one was naughty. I declareth this topic spamz. More subraces? Been told it's a no. Undeaders? -extremely- low chance request. G'luck, and vamp speed.
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corypx
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Posted: Thu, Nov 11 2010, 19:10 PM |
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xXxSuShiKunxXx wrote: I declareth this topic spamz.
in that case.... I would like to take the time to request mass-harm potions, because why just heal myself when I can kill everyone around me as well. _________________ ================-<Cory ShadowFlame>-================ Risenlord-Shifter(OMG a Non-Dragon Shifter that can hold his own in PvE)
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Thu, Nov 11 2010, 19:11 PM |
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Old Joke is oooold.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Thu, Nov 11 2010, 19:40 PM |
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Silvarus wrote: TormakSaber wrote: Can someone give me a cliffnotes of this topic? It's a lot to read for what I am making a solid guess is already covered gorund, i.e. - we're not adding subraces, vampires must abide by all the rules and regulations, undead are extremely hard to request. Anything else a DM needs to address here in the main scheem of things? Nope. There is nothing to add. Quote: You can lock this down Tormak. With that and a nod from McMoosh, I do so.
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