If Tormak wasn't a DM I would have zero complaints on the way he conducts himself in the forum.

1. Why does there have to be punishment? Is it because you believe leopards can't change their spots?
2. Why have you brought up Ron, who is retired? No need to use my hand to take potshots at him?
I believe people can change.


Moderators moderate the users. who moderates the moderators when they aren't being moderate?

I think this thread is become a botched circlejerk of bashing....if it gets to page 7....maybe even 6 I think I'll have to spam it with harm potion requests to get it locked.....

Estara, Dramatic prince... -reaaaally- losing all respect from any arguments you two have now since you are now baiting eachother in a "Forum Behavior" thread -_-

So....what you're saying is that this "conduct" that you and others seem to be railing against would be perfectly alright for any and all players to emulate on the forums, simply for the fact that players aren't DM's, and shouldn't be held to the same standards of common courtesy and respect? Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but otherwise, that comes off to me as quite hypocritical.

People were talking about problem DMs in page 3 and it seemed to me that it was unfair because as I see it, all the DMs are doing a great job except for Tormy. I mean, he's alright but he's baited way too easily and seems to bait others at times too.

I named him here because I assume people were thinking of the same person as I did but were beating around the bush by lumping all the DMs together. I had a feeling the topic was turning into another us vs DM topic. In hindsight, it was better to not have said anything at all.

I'm sorry, Tormak. Leaving a coppery aftertaste in your mouth was bad of me. XD


Nope, not at all. What I'm saying is that DMs ought to try behaving better than players. Referees don't get to shout or swing their fist in anger; if they did they'd lose credibility and respect.

Can you imagine a referee cursing at his players in court while at the same time calling technical fouls on the players for using the exact same language? It's funny but counter intuitive.

Acting like arses: players can't, DMs don't.

The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!

I guess my point is calm down, stop blaming people and enjoy, arguing never gets anywhere, and holding grudges is even worse.

This more then anything else.
Some of the bad feelings really do seem like petty grudges held over silly things.

I'm sure Tormaks taken it onboard. I hope everyone else has as well.

Don't the DMs get punished enough, having to put up with a server/forum full of us gits all the time?

You folks call it abuse, Aussies and Apparently Kiwis call it conversation.

Be sensitive to other cultures who do not see it that way, now that you know.

Don't worry Dwagin, we in the southern hemisphere will completely ignore them and continue to act like [removed] xD.

I believe dramatic prince was more trying to point out the fact "yeah, we are from all over the globe, be proud of who you are but just bare in mind that what may be harmless to you, could be offensive to others simply due to cultural differences"

I know. It was taken on board. Just not likely to change how I act.

It just seems a bit sanctimonious to tell someone to behave how you like them to, so they can be nice. It seems.. so not nice.

I'll preface this as this is aimed at everyone. This isn't aimed at Tormak, or Won, or whomever you will want to make it seem like I'm 'cleverly going after without naming names..' because I'm not, this is aimed towards You. Yes You. This is about You, Me, and IT. Now that I have made that clear, we can continue.




You play here, and love it here, and whatever the reason you're here thats great, I'm glad people are here. If you want to see Amia here tomorrow, next month, next year, it is time to start changing some things. No one else can do it for you, we all have to do it ourselves.

So what is 'IT'? IT is complicated. At the same time IT is the community, the people, the other players, the module, the server, the staff, the forum, the things surrounding 'IT' in a nebula... All of this is part of IT; and IT -is- Amia as a concept. If you want IT to be better, if you love IT you -should- want it to be better... you're part of IT, logically should wish to improve yourself as well.

if you truly do love Amia. You need to be understanding of others in our community, tollerant of difference in every way, in and out of game, in character and out, understanding people make mistakes. Allowing different spins on the status quo, allowing it to be mixed up and mashed in a giant melting pot of gooey awesomeness. That allowing of difference is what made Amia, and what will keep her going. IT has made the glue that which Amia endures with. Glue dries, then cracks under strain, stress, pressure, but if we have more glue whenever needed it is no longer an issue. We're running low on glue these days though.. and we can't exactly buy a giant new bottle at Costco, NWN is an old game.

Nasty reactions towards others seem to be the daily special on the forums these days, jumping like a pack of ravenous hyenas to rend something apart in some glorious bloody feast of Asshattery; like a ritualistic contest to who's the biggest douche and whom ever is the biggest douche Wins the Miter and the Giant Chrome Phallic-staff from which the Hallowed Gilded Douchbag of Judgement dangles from. This is like tossing a big bag of dog crap into the stew. No one wants to live with or eat of a pot of stewed dog crap.

DO you think the people who donate the time to moderate, build, upkeep, balance, and keep all of this in line and working order enjoy playing mommy-daddy games and seeing that strife stuff? Hell no they don't.
They do it because even as big and bad and surly as some may seem, they do it because they care about IT. You may or may not be able to see that, or come to the realization, or see the insights to why or how come, and it may be a total and complete affront to what you think possible, but they would not be here if they did not -REALLY- care about IT. If they, didn't want to try to keep it going. You can't PAY people to put heart into something like that to deal with it.

It's a stressful situation that people put them into. Its Customer service, with no paycheck. Would you do that? [removed] no. Would I? No. Do they? Yes. Maybe you should start thinking about all the effort they put in, just to log in, and deal with this crap that gets festered about because you refuse to grow up and be civil about things, to check yourself. It's a selfish and destructive thing to do to IT.

This behaviour destroys their drive. It makes them sad, it breaks them. They just want to help, and you keep doing nothing but hurting that. It does hurt IT. They shouldn't have to deal with it. You should be thanking your lucky stars that there are people here that have enough love, and drive for the community to walk in and say, hey, please take a big fat dump on my face. Then tell me what a shitty job I did of letting you take dump all over my face.

Its time to grow up and start acting like adults, even if you're not one yet. Stop feeding the fires, and start stomping them out; starting with yourself. Be helpful when you can, not snarky. AND MAYBE. JUST MAYBE.. They might be able to enjoy their jobs more, and we might be able to enjoy ourselves more here..and they'll actually be able to have fun, tell stories, and do events instead of being subjected to shampooing the mess from our poo flinging matches out of the carpet.

I can tell you one thing for sure, it's a whole hell of a lot easier to spread the negativity than to be the backstopper that eats it. To be the person that says, "You know what screw this. Screw it. I'm not going to let them screw Amia up." and just stop it, and take it and just let it be. Be the bigger person. Thats what we need more of. All the effort it takes is you to stop doing it. It can stop with you. Take the bullet, and let it die there. Start behaving like decent human beings to one another, showing a little bit of self respect and respect for your peers, even if it might seem someone has none for you. Let bygones be bygones, and stop poking the badger, here, in game, in PM's on MSN, whatever, just check it, check yourself, if you really want Amia to have a future and you really do have passion for -Amia- you have to do this. Can you do it? I dunno, thats something you have to find out for yourself.

I love Amia and I want it to be here for those that do too in the future, and for those who haven't discovered it to have a chance to love it too. I want to stop seeing the flack and fallout that this stuff causes.. its toxic. and it seeps everywhere. Just let it roll like water over your back, it can stop. Like Ghandi said.. 'No one can hurt me without my permission.' ..means exactly that.

That stuff can just go away. Just ignore it. Let it be. Is it easy to do that? Hell no, thats why Ghandi was Ghandi. Can we try to do it and be better human beings to one another? I hope so for the future of Amia, because that's what it'll take to make sure she's still here. I've started with me some time ago. My advice to you is to start with you.

Edit: (advice to you IS TO start with you. I fail English.)

A few people were being twunts back then when I posted it and what I said was relevant to the time at hand.

But let us, the DMs, make a concerted effort at it first. Though you may disagree, I feel that we have something to prove, and it is that we ought to be leading by example.
And in truth, I can only speak for myself. But those who don't agree and continue to do the same things leave me hanging out to dry.

If you want IT to be better, if you love IT you -should- want it to be better... you're part of IT, logically should wish to improve yourself as well.
if you truly do love Amia. You need to be understanding of others in our community, tolerant of difference in every way
Can we try to do it and be better human beings to one another?