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This has been bugging me for awhile, but if you are immune to poison does this mean you are immune to being drunk?

I mean alcohol is a poison, so yeah. If this is the case then Purple Dragon Rings would be awesome for drinking games. But it would mean duergar can't get drunk and their drinking is just a sad depressing spiral of them trying to drown the sorrows they will never be able to drown! Though I suppose there is always drugs.

But yeah, does poison immunity mean you are immune to being drunk? Or is it up to the player?

It is both.

Poison Immunity technically means you cannot become drunk. But I don't think anyone is going to stop you from RPing a character with it as being drunk.

The same goes for Elves. IIRC, they are just outright immune to becoming drunk. I've seen drunk elves IC though, before. *shrug* Whatever the explanation, one way or the other, the choice is the players, I believe.

I would say its up to the player, I usually roll for CON once every 3 beers, or each for stronger brews, counts back from 5 each time and if you fail you get a little more drunk =) or just roll with it and RP becoming more drunk.

wearing immunitys technically blocks it, but in a drinking contest its a different story, infact any upstanding dwarf would tell you to take it off, imho.

ed: you could actively choose to block alcohol poisoning but 'feel' the other effects I guess.

Dont you people get it.

This is the REASON Duergars are evil. They're Pitch-Black Emo-Fatties because the nature of a Dwarf is to drink and become Drunk!

Let it henceforth be known!
And let us spread this to the world of Faerun, So that the Duergar race no longer is missunderstood!

For with COMMUNICATION And UNDERSTANDING; We shal't create a better world!
A World free of Racism and Segregation!

I have a DREAM!

You've completely blown my mind, Svensk.

But thanks for the input, I guess I know where my elf monk stands now. @_@

Dark Immolation wrote:

The same goes for Elves. IIRC, they are just outright immune to becoming drunk.

Where do you figure this?

Actually the Duergar immunities have nothing to do with Dwarven stuff or Drinking. They have everything to do with being bi-products of their race placed in servitude to the illthaids for several hundreds of generations, undergoing metal and physical experiments which twisted their race.

Going to ruin my speech now, eh?

What are you, A Tea-party follower?

No. I'm the local Duergar lore-man.

I'm the solitary voice that rages at underport...

Your raging voice is loosening stalactites...LOOK OUT!!

DC 30 Reflex save :shock:

Elves are immune to being drunk yes... but they do get a "buzz" from mead so says Elves of Faerun Vol. 1

Quote:

For drink, sparkling waters from springs, and
fermented and unfermented berry juices are most
common. Dry wines and sweet dessert wines are also
very common, and many Elven settlements cultivate the
grapes and other ingredients necessary to produce
exceptional casks of the beverage. Elven wine is
particularly potent- though this rarely affects
Tel’Quessir. We have been known to drink even the
most hardy Dwarf under the table.
Mead is another beverage that we enjoy. This
fermented honey beverage leaves us with a pleasant
feeling after consuming enough of it. I believe that
Humans refer to this phenomenon as “a buzz”. Unlike
Humans, and other races, we do not suffer from “hangovers”
after consuming too much mead, or any other
kind of alcoholic beverage made by other Elves. Certain
Elves are affected adversely to the swill Humans call
‘ale’ and ‘beer’.

I read "Blah blah Mary Sue" from all that.

TormakSaber wrote:

I read "Blah blah Mary Sue" from all that.

No kidding.

I'm waiting for someone to cite as evidence the scene in one of the LotR movies (Two Towers, I think?) where Legolas drinks a bunch of dwarves and burly barrel-chested humans under the table. At which point my clever rhetorical bear trap will viciously spring shut around that person's brittle rhetorical ankle bones, since Legolas is the ultimate Mary Sue (as is basically every elf that Tolkien ever wrote).

elves in general are the ultimate mary sue... there is no debating that I was just saying where this

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The same goes for Elves. IIRC, they are just outright immune to becoming drunk.

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Where do you figure this?

may have came from.

Right on, I need to brush up on my lore it seems.

I'm pretty sure "Immune to Poison" + "Science" won't work right whichever way you slice it. Or at least you could slice it either way and it would still make a little bit of sense. So this really is something that would come down to individual interpretation.

Regarding monks, please note the following two words: Drunken Fist style! (...What no of course I know it's three words, I was just being ironical.)

...Okay yeah the actual martial art that the idea comes from doesn't actually involve alcohol, but let's not let the facts get in the way here. The Drunken Master prestige classes -are- about alcoholic monks though. D&D 3.0/3.5 doesn't seem to have an official stance on how alcohol works (as far as I'm aware), there might be a few mentions here and there (not counting the unofficial thingies on the 'net), but I think they're contradictory/very minor and hard to rely on. Maybe alcohol isn't a poison in the D&D universe?

Anyway, I'd say "Poison immunity will stop them from dying but alcohol will affect them normally otherwise" works fine. I wonder if it means they're immune to hangovers as well or not...

Its magic beer. Monk poison immunity is only natural poisons iirc.

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Likewise, druids have a natural sense for the safety of drinking water. Similarly, many druids are immune to the effects of organic poisons.

Monk Immunities similar to that, Maybe.

My thought drain always goes:
Ethanol is a poison -> I'm immune to poison -> I'm immune to ethanol acting as a poison -> I can't get drunk

With the exception of magical alcohol, I guess. Depends how potent one's immunity to poison is.

"Magical Alcohol" may as well be called a "potion".

Like a potion of Feeblemind some other debilitating thing. If it's magical and it makes you act loopy, in the case of Poison Immunity, it's likely not the alcohol that's causing the effect. IMO.

Wait, does D&D actually have magical poisons? It's not like diseases, where if you have disease immunity magical diseases can still affect you. Monk poison immunity states poisons of all kinds (at least in 3.5: "Diamond Body (Su): At 11th level, a monk gains immunity to poisons of all kinds.")

Mind you, with that wording it's pretty hard to argue that the different mechanism of alcohol (vs say, bee stings) allows it to bypass monk resistance (which if it could be scienced could be some sort of supernatural enzyme?) unless you DM fiat'd that no rule applies to alcohol (ideally you're too drunk to remember the rules anyway!). My argument would have been "It's not just flat poison immunity even though it says it, it just -looks- that way to all the common (non-self-inflicted) instances of poisoning--the actual mechanism excludes a few cases." As you can see I would love to science this, just my chem is shaky at best. Also in answer to my earlier question, most of the crap caused by hangovers is done by the liver breaking stuff down (which means that if the poison immunity comes from having super organs or some kind of more external mechanism, monks can say hello to horrible hangovers).

Anyway. Yeah maybe magical alcohol could just be considered a spell effect. And yes I realize I may be thinking too hard about this.

Alchohol isn't a poison, you goobers. It's the cure for the terrible pox of sobriety, and therefore as a beneficial substance can't be immunised against except by shifting into an undead/etc.

Does that mean monks are immune to being sober?

Meh, DnD is such a bore. Everything is mended by fancy spells and nothing requires regular stuff, such as treating wounds, building houses, breaking an egg and now getting properly and honestly drunk! I hate you!

serbiris wrote:

Wait, does D&D actually have magical poisons? It's not like diseases, where if you have disease immunity magical diseases can still affect you. Monk poison immunity states poisons of all kinds (at least in 3.5: "Diamond Body (Su): At 11th level, a monk gains immunity to poisons of all kinds.")

Mind you, with that wording it's pretty hard to argue that the different mechanism of alcohol (vs say, bee stings) allows it to bypass monk resistance (which if it could be scienced could be some sort of supernatural enzyme?) unless you DM fiat'd that no rule applies to alcohol (ideally you're too drunk to remember the rules anyway!). My argument would have been "It's not just flat poison immunity even though it says it, it just -looks- that way to all the common (non-self-inflicted) instances of poisoning--the actual mechanism excludes a few cases." As you can see I would love to science this, just my chem is shaky at best. Also in answer to my earlier question, most of the crap caused by hangovers is done by the liver breaking stuff down (which means that if the poison immunity comes from having super organs or some kind of more external mechanism, monks can say hello to horrible hangovers).

Anyway. Yeah maybe magical alcohol could just be considered a spell effect. And yes I realize I may be thinking too hard about this.

It has magic poisons and diseases, yeah.

Very_Svensk wrote:

Going to ruin my speech now, eh?

What are you, A Tea-party follower?

Hah!

Your on fire this week Svensk. xD

Poison Immunity and Being Drunk

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