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Yossarin
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Perhaps my sense of time is way off. Or perhaps it was a totally different person and I just don't realize it. I didn't bother to check and just assumed because your gripe is exactly the gripe I was given, almost verbatim.
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Strawberry Stallion
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 3:10 AM |
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Yossarin wrote: Perhaps my sense of time is way off. Or perhaps it was a totally different person and I just don't realize it. I didn't bother to check and just assumed because your gripe is exactly the gripe I was given, almost verbatim. I think it's the later, considering I've ran into one or two individuals who've mentioned this to me, aswell.
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Yossarin
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 3:11 AM |
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The Peacock wrote: In my personal opinion. I am the single best roleplayer on this server - and you all should really try to be more like me.
That's all.
They aren't being rude to you Soviet. They're just pointing out the "You should because I do" mentality of your post. We understand your pain in this, but you'll never be as good an RPer as I am. Also, I taught him everything he knows, which just goes further to prove his point.
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My Sovereign
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 3:51 AM |
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Joined: 19 Sep 2010
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You had me all worried that someone hacked my account O-O
I will try to free up next weekend, work extra hard so I can have an entire day to play.
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Logicality
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 15:01 PM |
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Joined: 23 Apr 2008
Location: The Otherworld
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corypx wrote: "if the last 9 kobolds with a dagger dripping acid were shifters, its safe to assume the 10th is as well." That's an example where WYSIWYG fails. Are shifters physically unable to drop their weapons while shifted? When they shapeshift, do they make sure to turn the palm of their right hand to glue? Is a shifter's weapon actually a strange growth? That defeats the point of the shifter class as a viable RP class, and restricts its forms to combat situations.
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corypx
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 18:19 PM |
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Logicality wrote: corypx wrote: "if the last 9 kobolds with a dagger dripping acid were shifters, its safe to assume the 10th is as well." That's an example where WYSIWYG fails. Are shifters physically unable to drop their weapons while shifted? When they shapeshift, do they make sure to turn the palm of their right hand to glue? Is a shifter's weapon actually a strange growth? That defeats the point of the shifter class as a viable RP class, and restricts its forms to combat situations. you cant drop it, its a DM ruling at this point and that I know has not been over turned. and dont say viable RP class or I will slap you across Boss-mia, thats what people said for years for why we had to suck being NWN basic. nothing is stoping a shifter from buying skin changes like in the form of 1k faces tool for kobold or other races. as for the superglue comment, yes its stuck in our hand and its why we cant be disarmed. _________________ ================-<Cory ShadowFlame>-================ Risenlord-Shifter(OMG a Non-Dragon Shifter that can hold his own in PvE) 
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Logicality
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 18:27 PM |
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Joined: 23 Apr 2008
Location: The Otherworld
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corypx wrote: nothing is stoping a shifter from buying skin changes like in the form of 1k faces tool for kobold or other races. So a shifter PC has to somehow cough up 25 (give-or-take?) DCs to... do something that a shifter should already know how to do? That a shifter does already know how to do, but for some reason can't get out of the habit of (somehow) also shifting his hand into a hand with a weapon? That makes no sense. corypx wrote: and dont say viable RP class or I will slap you across Boss-mia, thats what people said for years for why we had to suck being NWN basic. So a class must either be RP-oriented OR grinding-oriented? It can't be both? Doesn't that seem kind of, I don't know, counter-intuitive for an RP server? Either call metagaming shenanigans on people that can deduce that [playable race X] is a shifter because it's holding a common weapon, or allow non-Monk shifters to be disarmed and/or voluntarily destroy their weapon. (ftr:I understand the disarm thing might not be possible.)
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corypx
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 18:40 PM |
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Logicality wrote: corypx wrote: nothing is stoping a shifter from buying skin changes like in the form of 1k faces tool for kobold or other races. So a shifter PC has to somehow cough up 25 (give-or-take?) DCs to... do something that a shifter should already know how to do? That a shifter does already know how to do, but for some reason can't get out of the habit of (somehow) also shifting his hand into a hand with a weapon? That makes no sense. corypx wrote: and dont say viable RP class or I will slap you across Boss-mia, thats what people said for years for why we had to suck being NWN basic. So a class must either be RP-oriented OR grinding-oriented? It can't be both? Doesn't that seem kind of, I don't know, counter-intuitive for an RP server? Either call metagaming shenanigans on people that can deduce that [playable race X] is a shifter because it's holding a common weapon, or allow non-Monk shifters to be disarmed and/or voluntarily destroy their weapon. DM ruling cant call metagame on that, WYSIWYG rule, befor the topic got cleaned I used all thier same argements to the best I could remember. as for the DCs you have to draw the line someplace or I could usee logic to state why I should get everything for free. I want a free flight widget without wings, oh I can turn into a wyrmling and harpy so I can spawn wings on me at will give me a set of them and for free, I can turn into anyform give me a tool with options to all the skins. people have to pay DC for abilitys, like lets say you were a monk can you wanted a scripted attack to use silence the IC logic is you punch them in the neck REAL hard..and they cant talk does that mean you should get it for free because IC anyone can punch real hard in the neck.(NO) DCs are a cost for thier work they are puting into it for you(and balance) _________________ ================-<Cory ShadowFlame>-================ Risenlord-Shifter(OMG a Non-Dragon Shifter that can hold his own in PvE)
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Logicality
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 19:01 PM |
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Joined: 23 Apr 2008
Location: The Otherworld
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Fine. Then don't make a mechanical change. But don't make WYSIWYG apply to what is no more than a mechanical limitation. That's just cheesy.
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BrainSplitter
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 21:40 PM |
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Location: Victoria, Australia
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The Shifter naturally forms a weapon with those chosen forms. When they become a drider, they form a spear, within their hands, at the same time. Same goes for all of the other weapon/staff bearing forms.
There's the IC of it. Just becasue it's a result of mechanics, does not make it something that you are erquired to waive off completely when it's startlingly obvious or present, such as a creature holding a weapon - something you character can see.
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Amarice-Elaraliel
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 7:24 AM |
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Logicality wrote: So a shifter PC has to somehow cough up 25 (give-or-take?) DCs to... do something that a shifter should already know how to do? That a shifter does already know how to do, but for some reason can't get out of the habit of (somehow) also shifting his hand into a hand with a weapon? That makes no sense. It meanwhile is 15 DC for a skinchange. However otherwise the answer is clearly a yes. Shifters get the 1k faces for free with some RP. That is a -lot- of shapes for free in one bundle. Also they get the fey form, nymph form, ettercap form, goblin form, fairy dragon form, undead form and succubus form for free. (the last 3 with DM supervision though) That is a damn lot you get for nothing but some RP which you should do on a RP Server anyways. I wholeheartly agree with Cory, you can't have everything for free the line need to be drawn somewhere. If you don't want superglued weapons (which give you some impressive extra stats btw.) use the 1000 faces widget. Everything additional, you got to pay for. I could also say: Hey as a druid, my druid should be able to not only shift into a lion, a jaguar or a panther she could easily shift into a cougar too. Give me that for free. Or as a wizard I could say... hey why summon a red dragon. I say my wizard fancies blue... I want a blue dragon for free because it is just as easy for a wizard to summon a blue dragon as it is to summon a red dragon. That technically is true of course, but if you want something special or extra one need to pay like everyone else. _________________  
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IronAngel
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 7:59 AM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Oh come on: Shifters can freely alter their appearance within the natural borders of the creature they shift into. Of course you can RP this without mechanics, because it's the lore of the class. If somebody claims they see the difference between a Shifter and the real thing in a Drider or Kobold horde by the kind of weapon they carry, give them the finger and laugh in their face. "Oh those kobolds drew their knives, axes and maces, but one of them had it in his hand already -and- it's dripping acid. It must be a shifter!" Of course you can unequip your weapon IC.
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DustSpray101
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 16:04 PM |
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Joined: 27 Jun 2008
Location: Night Vale
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Thoice wrote: You haven't even been registered on the forum for a month! Note: forum ID -not- required to get the Haks and play on Amia. And does it matter anyways? Otherwise, yes, it came across as a post saying "follow my lead" but I think it has grown into a constructive post offering insight to those wishing to play as shifters an idea of what will get them spotted instantly.
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djones9916
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 19:05 PM |
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TormakSaber wrote: Yes, because giant red dragons just sit around chilling in the forest acting completely non dragon-like, speakin gnot draconic, not eating elves and ge-
Look, if you're going to shift into things and not act like the creature you're going to be picked out as a shifter. Period. Deal with it. And you mean to tell me that if you stumble across a hundred foot long seige engine of destructive death, your going to sit there and contemplate if it's acting "un-dragonish"? I'm fine with that if you roll a lore check. After you roll your wet your pants check.
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ainjyll
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 19:09 PM |
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Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: wilmington, nc
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If you're a person who's already taken down Windy or another dragon of legend on the Amian Isles, seeing an unknown dragon probably won't make you run for cover. That's not to say that a character should immediately know that it's a shifter, just that running away isn't always the rule, there are reasons why they may stick around.
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Lally
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 19:59 PM |
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Joined: 16 Jun 2007
Location: Leather chair, USA. Tell me about your mother.
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djones9916 wrote: TormakSaber wrote: Yes, because giant red dragons just sit around chilling in the forest acting completely non dragon-like, speakin gnot draconic, not eating elves and ge-
Look, if you're going to shift into things and not act like the creature you're going to be picked out as a shifter. Period. Deal with it. And you mean to tell me that if you stumble across a hundred foot long seige engine of destructive death, your going to sit there and contemplate if it's acting "un-dragonish"? I'm fine with that if you roll a lore check. After you roll your wet your pants check. I've seen said sieges of destructive death hanging around with people laying on it's tail and surrounded by PC's having a leisurely chat, so there are times when a peepants check is rather unnecessary.
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Silvarus
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 20:05 PM |
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Joined: 23 Sep 2005
Location: Jyväskylä, Finland, Europe
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djones9916 wrote: TormakSaber wrote: Yes, because giant red dragons just sit around chilling in the forest acting completely non dragon-like, speakin gnot draconic, not eating elves and ge-
Look, if you're going to shift into things and not act like the creature you're going to be picked out as a shifter. Period. Deal with it. And you mean to tell me that if you stumble across a hundred foot long seige engine of destructive death, your going to sit there and contemplate if it's acting "un-dragonish"? I'm fine with that if you roll a lore check. After you roll your wet your pants check. Some famous characters are siege engines of death +2, and known for it. Dragonshapers wet their imaginary pants at the sight of them.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Wed, Oct 06 2010, 3:12 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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djones9916 wrote: TormakSaber wrote: Yes, because giant red dragons just sit around chilling in the forest acting completely non dragon-like, speakin gnot draconic, not eating elves and ge-
Look, if you're going to shift into things and not act like the creature you're going to be picked out as a shifter. Period. Deal with it. And you mean to tell me that if you stumble across a hundred foot long seige engine of destructive death, your going to sit there and contemplate if it's acting "un-dragonish"? I'm fine with that if you roll a lore check. After you roll your wet your pants check. Lore? no. Everyone knows about dragons.
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djones9916
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Posted: Wed, Oct 06 2010, 7:48 AM |
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TormakSaber wrote: djones9916 wrote: TormakSaber wrote: Yes, because giant red dragons just sit around chilling in the forest acting completely non dragon-like, speakin gnot draconic, not eating elves and ge-
Look, if you're going to shift into things and not act like the creature you're going to be picked out as a shifter. Period. Deal with it. And you mean to tell me that if you stumble across a hundred foot long seige engine of destructive death, your going to sit there and contemplate if it's acting "un-dragonish"? I'm fine with that if you roll a lore check. After you roll your wet your pants check. Lore? no. Everyone knows about dragons. Not everyone knows a dragons habits though, or what their language sounds like, or any of the other things you listed. When most people see a dragon, they drop everything and run. They don't stand around and watch it, document it's actions, go home, hold seminars, teach the fellow town folks on what a Dragon does at 6am. Just because you know dragon's exist, or that their even in the area, doesn't make you an expert on them. It shouldn't give your character the right to glance at them and say, oh thats just a shifter.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Wed, Oct 06 2010, 7:49 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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Quote: When most people see a dragon, they drop everything and run. They don't stand around and watch it, document it's actions, go home, hold seminars, teach the fellow town folks on what a Dragon does at 6am. Adventurers are not most people.
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Yurell
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Posted: Wed, Oct 06 2010, 7:57 AM |
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Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Location: ANU, behind the coffee mug (+10 GMT)
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djones9916 wrote: When most people see a dragon, they drop everything and run. They don't stand around and watch it, document it's actions, go home, hold seminars, teach the fellow town folks on what a Dragon does at 6am.
Just because you know dragon's exist, or that their even in the area, doesn't make you an expert on them. It shouldn't give your character the right to glance at them and say, oh thats just a shifter. Most people don't do daily journeys to the Abyss to single-handedly kill a fiendish Blue Dragon, either. I'd imagine those that do are somewhat less inclined to flee when they see their thousandth adult red dragon.
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Dramatic_Prince
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Posted: Wed, Oct 06 2010, 12:21 PM |
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djones9916 wrote: Just because you know dragon's exist, or that their even in the area, doesn't make you an expert on them. It shouldn't give your character the right to glance at them and say, oh thats just a shifter. Or people could just pvp the dragon on sight, in hopes that it drops some loot. But we can't. Why? Because we are forced to metagame shifters by the pvp rules. We must acknowledge OOCly that these are shifter PCs and cannot treat them as the monsters that they are. _________________ 
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Wed, Oct 06 2010, 16:50 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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Dramatic_Prince wrote: djones9916 wrote: Just because you know dragon's exist, or that their even in the area, doesn't make you an expert on them. It shouldn't give your character the right to glance at them and say, oh thats just a shifter. Or people could just pvp the dragon on sight, in hopes that it drops some loot. But we can't.
Why? Because we are forced to metagame shifters by the pvp rules.
We must acknowledge OOCly that these are shifter PCs and cannot treat them as the monsters that they are.Sadly. This is TRUE.
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erroch
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Posted: Wed, Oct 06 2010, 17:22 PM |
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Dramatic_Prince wrote: Or people could just pvp the dragon on sight, in hopes that it drops some loot. But we can't.
Why? Because we are forced to metagame shifters by the pvp rules.
We must acknowledge OOCly that these are shifter PCs and cannot treat them as the monsters that they are. Just because they are PC's and you have to RP before jumping them doesn't mean you can't treat them like a monster. RP and provide the requsite way out doesn't necessarially mean directly interacting with your target either. You can just make it very clear of what is going to happen if the situation doesn't change. The RP way out can be as simple as the shifter proving they're not really said dragon or otherwise changing the situation. At least that's how I read the rules on pvp. _________________ 
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Wed, Oct 06 2010, 17:34 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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Once again. That means we Stride up to the dragon; Ask if it's a real dragon; -Then- Instigate whatever reasonable action we deem fit.
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Silvarus
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Posted: Wed, Oct 06 2010, 17:37 PM |
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Joined: 23 Sep 2005
Location: Jyväskylä, Finland, Europe
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Very_Svensk wrote: Once again. That means we Stride up to the dragon; Ask if it's a real dragon; -Then- Instigate whatever reasonable action we deem fit. No it means we take cover behind a rock, draw our weapons, cast our spells and recite a few players aloud. That should do it.
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erroch
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Posted: Wed, Oct 06 2010, 17:49 PM |
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Very_Svensk wrote: Once again. That means we Stride up to the dragon; Ask if it's a real dragon; -Then- Instigate whatever reasonable action we deem fit. There's nothing rule wise (to my knowledge) that stats your character’s assumption that is a real dragon has to be correct or even really necessary. It's a dragon, it's in your forest, be it real, shifter, shape changed wizard, someone's EDK, or some poor cursed sod doomed to look like one. Draw your weapons, tell your companions to move to flank, drink a potion or two, yell a battle cry, set to hostile, and charge. Just be sure to give the target adequate time to do -something- to react as an OOC courtesy and rule following, before making with the mechanical confrontation. It is on them to actually make use of the ways out and what directions those ways out can take. This can be something as simple as leaving the scene, or de-shifting and yelling “WAIT! You’ve got the wrong lizard!” Of course, I could be misunderstanding something considering I’m still rather new here. Edit: Or, as we can see, Silvarus can both beat me to it, and put it far simpler.and more straight forward. _________________
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IronAngel
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Posted: Thu, Oct 07 2010, 12:00 PM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Yes, but it's boring. I really don't want to interrupt my RP to pretend to be surprised and alarmed by the dozenth shapechanger I see that week, and put up a pointless show of aggression that I know won't go anywhere anyway.
In a nutshell: it gets old.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Thu, Oct 07 2010, 12:03 PM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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If I see a Mindflayer, Evil Dragon (that doesn't attack me on sight) or other silly creature in the wrong environment, such as a manticore, that doesn't attack me on sight, in Amia Forest, I will assume Shifter. It's logical for the character to do so. If your going to be dumb about shifting, then I'm not catering my RP for said dumbness.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Thu, Oct 07 2010, 12:22 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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Selvec Darkon wrote: If I see a Mindflayer, Evil Dragon (that doesn't attack me on sight) or other silly creature in the wrong environment, such as a manticore, that doesn't attack me on sight, in Amia Forest, I will assume Shifter. It's logical for the character to do so. If your going to be dumb about shifting, then I'm not catering my RP for said dumbness. Doesn't this mean that the Evil-Spiral just continue?
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Thu, Oct 07 2010, 12:53 PM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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Very_Svensk wrote: Selvec Darkon wrote: If I see a Mindflayer, Evil Dragon (that doesn't attack me on sight) or other silly creature in the wrong environment, such as a manticore, that doesn't attack me on sight, in Amia Forest, I will assume Shifter. It's logical for the character to do so. If your going to be dumb about shifting, then I'm not catering my RP for said dumbness. Doesn't this mean that the Evil-Spiral just continue? No, it means if your dumb enough to run into Amia Forest in Red Dragon form, not attack anyone in sight, start sipping tea with a few paladins, and get caught boning some elf behind a tree, then don't get pissy when I call you out for the shifter you are. Its about people expecting to have rules apply to them, and then using those rules to allow them to do the stupid. I don't adhere to the stupid I'm afraid, not often anyway. If your in an environment as a shifted creature that doesn't fit the environment, and is are not acting like a creature would, don't be surprised if my epic level 30 who has killed several shifters, run the abyss a few times, is leader of a faction and is a veteren of the isle of Amia and it's Hi-jinks, doesn't happen to notice these things and call you out as a shifter. Its far more likely that some Death Slaad thats running around not attacking people is one of the isle numerous shifters, then an actual Death Slaad thats harmless.
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Dwagin
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Posted: Thu, Oct 07 2010, 16:48 PM |
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Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Location: The Land of Nod
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There's nothing remotely not red-dragon about boning an elf behind a tree.
Or deboning for that matter.
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Silvarus
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 9:58 AM |
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Joined: 23 Sep 2005
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Dwagin wrote: There's nothing remotely not red-dragon about boning an elf behind a tree.
Or deboning for that matter. True. It is perfectly in character for a dragon to bone an elf, human, orc, cow, sheep, squirrel, demon, halfling, dwarf or a dog etc. Those things breed half-dragon creatures of all kinds faster than rabbits make other rabbits.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 13:03 PM |
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Joined: 26 May 2010
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Suddenly this is sounding remarkably like something you'd see on SL
Hah!
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FastKev
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 13:07 PM |
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Joined: 21 Aug 2010
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Silvarus wrote: True. It is perfectly in character for a dragon to bone an elf, human, orc, cow, sheep, squirrel, demon, halfling, dwarf or a dog etc.
Those things breed half-dragon creatures of all kinds faster than rabbits make other rabbits. Judging from walking around in Cordor and Amia Forest some nights lately the Metallic dragons get all kinds of booty around here.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 13:09 PM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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Trust you lot to focus on that part.
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Glyph
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 16:36 PM |
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Joined: 10 Jun 2010
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I don't know about this "dragons no longer exist here" rubbish, one of the first lore questions I asked when I returned to amia was how many dragons exist here, we got to around five without spoilers, and i've seen at least three, one an npc, one a boss, one I know where it is but lack the stats to get there. also you can disbelieve it all you like but you can still get acidy dragon breath all over your shiny new armour, if your honest reponse is "its a dragon, therefore it -is-, a shifter" you have failed. with the increase of half-dragon PC's and all, admitedly there is a lack of npc peon wyrmlings to slay in some random dungeon but that doesn't mean they arn't lurking. you don't see fey either unless you count grigs as a proper fey, doesn't mean the naked nymphs walking about cordor arn't real now does it  I have oocly heard alot of dismissive complaint about shifting from the perspective of the shifters, and I quote "its impossible to RP a shifter here, people ignore it as if it not relevant." there are of course harder shifts to identify (before checking the players id floating above their heads...) and anyone trying to call out a badger in the forests is frankly asking for a dismissive grunt and continued sniffing about the leaves and the trees. i'm not sure how to more clearly put the point across than that, admitedly there is some grey area, but any animal wandering the wilds shouldn't be that shocking to adventurers, expecially not farm animals in a rural area, I find peoples icly amazement with that slightly irritating. correct me if im wrong but shifters morphs would be undetectable to a detect magic spell, thus making the "Im a wizard I can do that too so I can tell what you are" theory slightly less holding of its water. shapechange would be different than dragon/construct shape for example. also metalic dragons are known to be goodly which is why you be seeing more of those, as much as I love evil characters on amia a fair amount of new goodly ones have arrived recently, that said I have seen new greens, shadows, rras is still here, silver, gold even, and I personally count cory as a blue >_> sort of. would be nice to see some...different dragons, to the avaliable selections, i'm thinking the gem ones, but I would bust out the dragonomicon before I start thinking about that too much. ed: I don't mean to jump the gun but I would reskin the dragonshape colour to a metalic to better suit the RP and relevance, and maybe just maybe avoid the inevitable "omg its a dragon run its coming to eat us, quick call the milita!" scenario. of course I have a billion and one ideas like that in my head but i'm just saying, if the common responce is WYSIWYG it makes sense for dragonshapes to have relevant colors, not removing other options entirely of course. also a rarely said bit of lore for dragons, the colours -USUALLY- denote alignment and characteristics, but not always...
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Dwagin
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 19:46 PM |
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Joined: 08 Aug 2006
Location: The Land of Nod
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Silvarus wrote: Dwagin wrote: There's nothing remotely not red-dragon about boning an elf behind a tree.
Or deboning for that matter. True. It is perfectly in character for a dragon to bone an elf, human, orc, cow, sheep, squirrel, demon, halfling, dwarf or a dog etc. Those things breed half-dragon creatures of all kinds faster than rabbits make other rabbits. Red dragon. Metalics are -far- less promiscuous.
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-Extraordinarily ordinary in the mostest of ways.
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erroch
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 22:04 PM |
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Joined: 22 Jul 2010
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[quote="Glyph if your honest reponse is "its a dragon, therefore it -is-, a shifter" you have failed. with the increase of half-dragon PC's and all, admitedly there is a lack of npc peon wyrmlings to slay in some random dungeon but that doesn't mean they arn't lurking. you don't see fey either unless you count grigs as a proper fey, doesn't mean the naked nymphs walking about cordor arn't real now does it [/quote] Well, there is the simple note that common knowledge and character knowledge are both allowed to be factually wrong. One of my characters has heard again and again that there are no dragons on Amia anymore save one or two that are constantly hidden for fear of being hunted and one crazed one not really on this plane. For him, even though I know better, ICly, a dragon he encounters is more then likely going to be percieved as a farce. Granted this is a misconception that is very likely going to ge thim eaten one day and start the draconic apocolypse, but I'm ok with that. _________________
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 22:14 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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erroch wrote: Glyph wrote: if your honest reponse is "its a dragon, therefore it -is-, a shifter" you have failed. with the increase of half-dragon PC's and all, admitedly there is a lack of npc peon wyrmlings to slay in some random dungeon but that doesn't mean they arn't lurking. you don't see fey either unless you count grigs as a proper fey, doesn't mean the naked nymphs walking about cordor arn't real now does it
For him, even though I know better, ICly, a dragon he encounters is more then likely going to be percieved as a farce.
Granted this is a misconception that is very likely going to ge thim eaten one day and start the draconic apocolypse, but I'm ok with that.
The shifter wants to be Rp'd as a Living Dragon; (Unless he did anything of the above Sillyness)
Have the courtesy to Act accordingly.
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Yurell
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 22:40 PM |
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Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Location: ANU, behind the coffee mug (+10 GMT)
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Very_Svensk wrote: Bad excuses.
The shifter wants to be Rp'd as a Living Dragon; (Unless he did anything of the above Sillyness)
Have the courtesy to Act accordingly. If you want to be treated like a dragon, act like one. If you don't, don't blame us. Beyond that, my characters have, in general, seen one dragon, and only one - that one isn't even on the island, but in the Abyss. They have, however, seen dozens of shifted dragons and summoned dragons. Which do you think they'd assume?
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BrainSplitter
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 22:52 PM |
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Location: Victoria, Australia
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How about, instead of judging other people's RP as Good, Bad, Metagame or Otherwise, you instead focus on being good at RPing yourself and don't worry yourself so much about what other people do.
Unless of course y'all are willing to acknowledge that you (nonspecific) are being so selfish that you have the gall to tell other people how to RP their character.
Yes, people have a blase approach to dragons and shifters. Such is life. As opposed to judging your peers harshly for it, why not just Live and Let Live and play the game.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 22:54 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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..Then our Forum would be meaningless... We crave to debate. (Im Serious)
On Topic
If we do not bring up the problem, Then the problem persist.
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Yurell
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 23:09 PM |
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Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Location: ANU, behind the coffee mug (+10 GMT)
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It's a problem for you to deal with ICly
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BrainSplitter
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 23:13 PM |
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Location: Victoria, Australia
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People RPing their characters as they, the player, deem their character should be played is a problem? Or is it only a problem because it doesn't mesh with how you think their character should be played?
As Yurell put; it's an IC Issue. Deal with it IC.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 23:16 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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Dramatic_Prince wrote: djones9916 wrote: Just because you know dragon's exist, or that their even in the area, doesn't make you an expert on them. It shouldn't give your character the right to glance at them and say, oh thats just a shifter. Or people could just pvp the dragon on sight, in hopes that it drops some loot. But we can't.
Why? Because we are forced to metagame shifters by the pvp rules.
We must acknowledge OOCly that these are shifter PCs and cannot treat them as the monsters that they are.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 23:20 PM |
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Joined: 26 May 2010
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Since we are on the topic of dragon shifters, I have a quick questions.
The small flying dragons (like Cory Shadowflame), are they the only size shifters can become or is there other sizes?
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Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming
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BrainSplitter
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 23:20 PM |
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Location: Victoria, Australia
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Your point? All OOC Rule Mechanics which aren't likely to change, and even still, you can still treat a Shifted Dragon as a Dragon if you want to, as long as you observe the rules.
Many other people in this thread have already illustrated the point that you don't need to walk up to the dragon and say things before you kick its ass. You can easily illustrate what your character intends to do, and will do, unless an out (often 'Running' or 'Deshifting') is taken to get them out of the violent situation.
So, really, you don't need to metagame at all. The only reason people do metagame and change their character's behaviour so heavily in these situations is a lack of creativity and the inability to modify the OOC methology of what they do without messing up the In Character.
All that really comes down to is ; "Moot Point. Please Choose Another"
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BrainSplitter
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 23:21 PM |
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Location: Victoria, Australia
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@ Nav;
You can take Dragon Shape assuming Epic Shifter and 30 Wisdom, which gives you access to the full-size Dragon Forms. Three of them, in fact. By default it's Red, Green, Blue; though I think Good Guys now have a trio from the Metallics. I think.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Fri, Oct 08 2010, 23:51 PM |
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Joined: 26 May 2010
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Cool, thanks!
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Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming
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