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hendrack
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Location: Vienna
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Against what? There's always a handy Mord.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Thu, Sep 30 2010, 20:53 PM |
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Trrrue...
The biggest question is if it's worth grabbing AA Levels at all; Since you're getting ~About the same AB Increase from More Wizard levels (In terms of Tenser's transformation)
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Rosencrantz
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Posted: Thu, Sep 30 2010, 21:00 PM |
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So what's the level-by-level breakdown for 24 Bard/4 Fighter/1 Rogue look like?
And what's the big deal with Auto-Quickening 3?
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QPR
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Posted: Thu, Sep 30 2010, 21:16 PM |
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Location: Norway
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Bard 30.
Really, there is no reason to take other classes in it unless you need it for RP. Four fighter levels can get you either an extra attack or epic weapons pec, but not both. The rogue level is only good for sneaks, with which you miss out on the 25 Bard song which is +1 AC and -1 AC to your enemies. Also, you will probably get lasting inspiration later too, if you mix in other classes before level 24.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Thu, Sep 30 2010, 21:24 PM |
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Location: Near the bar.
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QPR isn't quite right. The real make-or-break point on Bards is 20. There's a lot of variety to be had in the ten other levels: Insane bosskiller Bard20/Cleric10; nigh-unhittable partybuffer Bard20/SD10 (Epic Dodge); Uncrittable Emo Bard20/PM10; Scumbag Saveswhore Bard20/BG10; Insane Spotter Bard29/Ranger1; Nicer Saveswhore Bard20/CoT10, and then you can play around with varying levels of Bard20/(mix of Ftr, CoT and more Bard)
In your case I'd go Bard25/Ftr5 or Bard23/Ftr6/Rogue1, with the latter on the assumption that you've got your heart set on a Spotter. If you're not taking Rogue so you can Spot things, then go for the Bard25. The Song improves to a +6AC bonus/debuff, and it's the point where you're immune to Greater Dispelling.
Auto-Quicken works because the first six seconds of PvP are more important than the next sixty, and most 'serious' PvP either explodes out of nowhere or happens after so much smacktalking that all rounds/level buffs have expired.
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Rosencrantz
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Posted: Thu, Sep 30 2010, 21:29 PM |
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Oh.. I meant 24 Barb.. But I enjoyed that break-down, Ruce. It was entertaining..
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Swallow the Stars
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Posted: Thu, Sep 30 2010, 22:42 PM |
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Joined: 12 Dec 2007
Location: Southeast (USA)
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Uberuce wrote: QPR isn't quite right. The real make-or-break point on Bards is 20. There's a lot of variety to be had in the ten other levels: Insane bosskiller Bard20/Cleric10; nigh-unhittable partybuffer Bard20/SD10 (Epic Dodge); Uncrittable Emo Bard20/PM10; Scumbag Saveswhore Bard20/BG10; Insane Spotter Bard29/Ranger1; Nicer Saveswhore Bard20/CoT10, and then you can play around with varying levels of Bard20/(mix of Ftr, CoT and more Bard)
In your case I'd go Bard25/Ftr5 or Bard23/Ftr6/Rogue1, with the latter on the assumption that you've got your heart set on a Spotter. If you're not taking Rogue so you can Spot things, then go for the Bard25. The Song improves to a +6AC bonus/debuff, and it's the point where you're immune to Greater Dispelling.
Auto-Quicken works because the first six seconds of PvP are more important than the next sixty, and most 'serious' PvP either explodes out of nowhere or happens after so much smacktalking that all rounds/level buffs have expired. I love Bard. You can put so much variance on it, just how Ruce here said. And this isn't even including whether or not you're going Strength, Dexterity, or Charisma Focused. Heck, Bard 20 / RDD 10 is even a viable, build. Not as handy dandy as some others, but viable nonetheless!
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Thu, Sep 30 2010, 23:20 PM |
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lol
Just a little bit of difference there, eh?
So, I assume statwise I am rather sound. L/S/S is going to be a no-go then on them all, and I think that about covers it.
Only thing now is to finalize my main deity (ie not Lolth). She's going to worship Shar or possibly Mask/Vhaeraun, I'm not sure. Kinda iffy about a drow female worshipping a male deity, but as far as I know it's not taboo. Maybe. She will pay homage to several deities, those that influence her mindset and abilities (such as those listed and Kiaransalee), including Lolth (who will be most prominent after her main), but I do not know which to settle on heh.
So, in all, I think she's going to pay homage (to some extent) to Shar/Lolth/Mask/Vhaeraun/Kiaransalee/Beshaba. Man that sounds like a lot, but it's doable, eh? As long as there is one main?
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Fri, Oct 01 2010, 6:11 AM |
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You're an oddity if you're *not* polytheistic, really. Remember, these are all deities who provably exist, and only abot 20 years ago walked the Realms as mortals. If you can't get the gumption to worship one, let alone more than one, well.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Fri, Oct 01 2010, 12:02 PM |
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lol Gotcha
I just recently fount out about the usual polythesticness of IG people in general, but it does make sense at least.
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vonsieger
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 1:32 AM |
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Does the subrace upon character creation effect your ability to take the AA class? For instance, I took Feytouched and seem to have met all my requirements for AA but it is not showing as available.
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ticket
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 1:53 AM |
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Depends on the subrace. Feytouched changes your race to Fey. And AA only works for elves. Duergars for example are still Dwarves and so they can take DD levels. Feytouched wrote: Abilities: +2 Dexterity, -2 Constitution, +2 Charisma;
Feat: Low-light Vision;
Saving Throw Bonus: +4 Will;
Spell-like Ability: Charm Person;
Racial Type changes to Fey;
Level Adjustment: +1
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vonsieger
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 2:01 AM |
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Is there anything that can be done to change that? I had no idea that this would affect the ability to take AA.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 2:21 AM |
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Nope.
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My Sovereign
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 2:46 AM |
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I need the best AA build you've got! I suck at builds 
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 2:48 AM |
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Depends on what you want from your AA.
I enjoy the mundane 9 fighter/2 bard/19 AA but it's not the "Best". You will have redonkulous fucking AB all day every day, though.
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Swallow the Stars
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 4:14 AM |
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Location: Southeast (USA)
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TormakSaber wrote: Depends on what you want from your AA.
I enjoy the mundane 9 fighter/2 bard/19 AA but it's not the "Best". You will have redonkulous [removed] AB all day every day, though. The Arcane Archer, IMHO, is a support class. Mind you, it's one of the best - maybe even the best as far as damage is concerned - but it's still a support class. You'll never make a solid soloing archer - it's just a fault of the class, if you think that is a fault. I think an AA and a Barbarian make a combination that's hard to beat, though. Toss a bard in and you have lulzwin. At any rate, I love me some AA. I also love cleric archers, though. Back before the monk wisdom ac balance I'd considered a Monk 5 / Fighter 4 / Cleric 20 Aasimar archer, just because it'd be like an AA but could solo (which isn't fair in the slightest). But, still. Bard AA's are cool, too. Even as simple as 20 / 10.
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My Sovereign
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 4:20 AM |
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Well, after weeks of thought, I believe Estar would fit as a good AA.
Crazy, like sniper in a bell tower....
I don't really know what I want from her....less preparation with spells is good.
AA, gets good hide/MS...meh AC, asstastic AB....almost...unbeatable AB...
Fantastic mage killer, only good against melee classes if you get the jump on them, Called shot their legs/arms to hell before they can get to you...
Downside?
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 5:29 AM |
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Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Swallow the Stars wrote:
The Arcane Archer, IMHO, is a support class.
My Monk AA can Solo the entire of Amia faster than any other build I have. Because it has a wizard level it can use all scrolls, it has Imp Evasion and 60 AC, its AB is approximately 55 which means it can use Imp Expertise and still hit 50 AB and 65AC. It also hammers out 110+ spot.
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Swallow the Stars
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Posted: Sun, Oct 03 2010, 16:03 PM |
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MoshingChris wrote: Swallow the Stars wrote:
The Arcane Archer, IMHO, is a support class.
My Monk AA can Solo the entire of Amia faster than any other build I have. Because it has a wizard level it can use all scrolls, it has Imp Evasion and 60 AC, its AB is approximately 55 which means it can use Imp Expertise and still hit 50 AB and 65AC. It also hammers out 110+ spot. Yeah, but I'm coming from a human's standpoint - not a cybernetic build-optimizing organism.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 3:44 AM |
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Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Its a relatively simplistic build
10 Monk 1 Wizard 19 AA. (+1 AC -1AB) (9 Monk 1 Wizard 10 AA pre-epic)
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9 Monk 2 Wizard 19 AA (-1AC +1AB) (8 Monk 2 Wizard 10 AA pre-epic)
It lacks the over the top AB and Damage of the fighter Variety, but the Monks AC, and Move Speed is far superior to the 4AB and 5 Extra Damage you nab in my opinion, you'll also get a neato familiar to RP with.
AC: 59 (58) (Shop Gear)
AB: 54 (55) (Shop Gear)
From experience I've never had a character that could smash down Dancers faster.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 11:15 AM |
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Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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Tossing out ideas here.
What about 21Wiz/9 AA, Going tensers and stuff..
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Isaiah
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 11:39 AM |
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Location: Ohio, USA
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I like bard/AA/SD 9/15/6. You lose a few ab and damage but gain huge survivability thanks to HiPS, tumble, and discipline as well as UMD for scrolls and wands. If they can't spot you, you win. Even if they can, with a few bigby and summon scrolls you're still likely to win. I'm partial to sneak and hunter RP so I may be a little biased.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 13:36 PM |
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Very_Svensk wrote: Tossing out ideas here.
What about 21Wiz/9 AA, Going tensers and stuff.. Not when enough of the gear you'll want as an AA requires UMD or Monk levels. (Sun Souls etc) That also has no Discipline Dump.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 13:48 PM |
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MoshingChris wrote: Very_Svensk wrote: Tossing out ideas here.
What about 21Wiz/9 AA, Going tensers and stuff.. Not when enough of the gear you'll want as an AA requires UMD or Monk levels. (Sun Souls etc) That also has no Discipline Dump. But it has about the same AC and AB as the monk one; Toppled with haste and since you're an elf/half-elf, you can wear that Full plate with 0 ASF. Plus buffs and maximized things; And hopefully, a Tanking Mummy dust or whatever the player requires. And since you're a wizard, Focusing in INT or what not; You'll crawl all over with Skillpoints!
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 14:10 PM |
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3 AC less from your tumble dump, no UMD, no Sun Souls and if you choose to tank with your summon you forgo Epic Mage Armor or vice versa. 21 Wizard 9AA just isn't good enough.
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 15:01 PM |
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Location: England
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I have an idea for a character. I like heavy skill based characters....and I want to try playing a Dragon Disciple. This is what I came up with. I don't like the attack bonus, its not what I'm used to, and the saves won't be great. But the Damage should be...quite high....
What do you think of this.
Rogue(16)/Bard(4)/Dragon Disciple(10)
(8)/(4)/(8) at 20.
STR: 26 (15+7+4)
DEX: 15
CON: 14 (12+2)
WIS: 8
INT: 18 (16+2)
CHA: 10 (8+2)
Feats: Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Ambidexterity, Two Weapon Fighting, Improved Two Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus(Shortsword), Improved Critical(Shortsword)
Epic Feats: Epic Weapon Focus, Overwhelming Critical, Devastating Critical, Armour Skin
Rogue Bonus Feats:Crippling Strike, Improved Evasion, Epic Skill Focus:Discipline
Skills: Disable Trap (32), Discipline (33), Hide (32), Listen (33), Move Silently (32), Open Lock (32), Search (33), Spot (33), Tumble (30), UMD (20). Spare (3), might as well go to Spellcraft.
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hendrack
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 15:08 PM |
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Location: Vienna
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Why 4 bard? Does Rogue19/Bard1 miss anything?
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 15:13 PM |
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Bad for the AB.
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 15:15 PM |
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Location: England
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It loses...1AB? I think. For that extra +2d6 Sneak Attack and Rogue Bonus feat. And the AB is low enough.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 17:56 PM |
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Location: London, UK
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Possibly do the 19 rogue, take epic prowess, cancels the loss of bab thing. Gives 2d6 sneaks and more skills.
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Zifon
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 18:56 PM |
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Location: Denmark
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My cleric is atm lvl 23 (still pure). The plan is to go 29cleric then 1 bard,
(I have only skill dumped in concentration so far, the bard is for: disc, UMD, tumble dump, yeah I stink I know)
Hes STR based, dont cast any offensive spells at all, but still gets 20 in basic WIS. He has no CHA to speak of, STR and Prot domains (Lathander worshipper).
Can I do better with the remaining lvls?
I keep reading about 1 ranger lvls at the end also, the reason for 29 cleric lvls is the extra feat and mostly the sweet Spell resistance (where I come from only almost pure mages could penetrate that high SR, but maybe its different over here?)
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DustSpray101
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 19:42 PM |
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Location: Night Vale
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If you are looking for damage output, why not pick a Weapon with a better Crit range such as a kukri, rapier, or scimitar?
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hendrack
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 20:05 PM |
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Location: Vienna
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The 1 ranger you keep reading about is mostly for discipline and spot dump and to grab one free epic spell focus. Not necessary unless you want spot. You can take one monk and one ranger level instead of bard to get martial weapon prof., get kosher tumble, discipline and semi-UMD.
Another option is to take 4 fighter levels, and 1 rogue. Gets you discipline and EWS. Not optimal to take 4 fighter levels in epic, but that salvages your already STR centered cleric.
And clerics should totally use blunt weapons. I mean, small, pointy weapons on a cleric... no no no.
25 caster levels are enough for normal dispel checks.
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xyprym
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 23:28 PM |
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Long time nwn player here, but never really made a competitive epic spellcaster so i turn to you  so far i have a lvl16 pure sorc. for RP reasons I'd like to go 10 levels of RDD. Is it worth it (I wouldn't gain anything cept some toughness)? Will my spell DCs suck if i take RDD? Will i get any epic spells if all my epic levels are RDD (i'd like to get 2 if that's even possible)? Will I be able to modify my spells when taking RDD levels? So the basic question is, go 30 sorc or 20 sorc 10 RDD? Thanks alot for answers and have a nice day.
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My Sovereign
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Posted: Mon, Oct 04 2010, 23:31 PM |
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Isaiah wrote: I like bard/AA/SD 9/15/6. You lose a few ab and damage but gain huge survivability thanks to HiPS, tumble, and discipline as well as UMD for scrolls and wands. If they can't spot you, you win. Even if they can, with a few bigby and summon scrolls you're still likely to win. I'm partial to sneak and hunter RP so I may be a little biased. Can I get a per level for that? Sounds perfect for Escar!
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Isaiah
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 1:03 AM |
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Location: Ohio, USA
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My Sovereign wrote: Isaiah wrote: I like bard/AA/SD 9/15/6. You lose a few ab and damage but gain huge survivability thanks to HiPS, tumble, and discipline as well as UMD for scrolls and wands. If they can't spot you, you win. Even if they can, with a few bigby and summon scrolls you're still likely to win. I'm partial to sneak and hunter RP so I may be a little biased. Can I get a per level for that? Sounds perfect for Escar! Not sure if I should PM this as it is quite large but I'm sure it can be improved with the help of others so here goes. Moon Elf (Bard 9/Arcane Archer 15/Shadow Dancer 6) Alignment: any non lawful Attributes:STR: 12 CON: 10 DEX: 18 (26) INT: 14 WIS: 8 CHA: 14 Add all attribute points to Dex. Note: You can change some of these around like CHA. I just like being able to cast the spells and the extra skills from INT. Can also do less STR but that's for mighty and carry capacity. Levels:1-8 Bard (8 bard) 9-16 AA (8 AA) 17-20 SD (4 SD) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 21-22 SD (6 SD) 23-29 AA (15AA) 30 Bard (9 bard) Will have 3rd level bard spells. Take what you desire. Feats:1: Point Blank Shot (bard: 1) 3: Rapid Shot (bard: 3) 6: Weapon Focus Longbow (bard: 6) 9: Dodge (AA: 1) 12: Improved Critical Longbow (AA: 4) 15: Mobility (AA: 7) 18: Blind Fight/Called Shot (SD: 2) Note: Called Shot May not be necessary because of HiPS. It might be useful against creatures with true sight however and Blind Fight is always useful. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 21: Epic Skill Focus Hide (SD: 5) 24: Epic Skill Focus Move Silently (AA: 10) 27: Epic Skill Focus Spot (AA: 13) 28: Great Dex (AA: 14) 30: Epic Weapon Focus Longbow (bard: 9) Note: Instead of the epic skill focuses, you can take two more Great Dex and Epic Prowess for more attack bonus. I like the feel of this way better. This is an RP server and not an Arena server after all. Skills:Bard: Hide, Move Silently, Discipline, Tumble, Use Magic Device AA: Hide, Move Silently, Spot SD: Hide, Move Silently, Spot, Tumble Note: Will end with Hide/MS 33 (51), Discipline 33 (34), Tumble 30, UMD 33 (35), Spot 32 (43), Extra 16 Maybe put them in Perform. Base Damage: 1d8+8 19-20X3 (not much but take into account mighty and magical arrows. I was able to crit well into the hundreds) Base Attack: +41/+36/+31/+26 so a max of +67/+62/+57/+52 with 12 extra dex and true strike. Subtract 2 for rapid shot. Naked AC: 24 Naked HP: 222 You can also go 9 bard/11 AA/10 SD and pick up epic dodge if you do some tweaking but you lose even more ab and damage. This is the first build I've ever posted so please don't hold back on the constructive criticism of the format and what not.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 4:14 AM |
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Joined: 26 May 2010
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Regarding Bard/Curse Song:
At level 3 you need a Perform of 9. Does that mean 9 ranks or 9 ranks+CHA?
I assume the latter, right?
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 4:30 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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9 total. Be that 9 rank,s 1 rank + 8 from items, or whatever. Just 9.
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hendrack
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 6:29 AM |
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Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Location: Vienna
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xyprym wrote: Long time nwn player here, but never really made a competitive epic spellcaster so i turn to you so far i have a lvl16 pure sorc. for RP reasons I'd like to go 10 levels of RDD. Is it worth it (I wouldn't gain anything cept some toughness)? No. xyprym wrote: Will my spell DCs suck if i take RDD? Spell DC = spell level + spell focus + CHA xyprym wrote: Will i get any epic spells if all my epic levels are RDD (i'd like to get 2 if that's even possible)? No, you need to be 21+ sorc for epic spells. You can take epic spell focus and epic spell penetration though. And Automatic quicken, silent, still spell. xyprym wrote: Will I be able to modify my spells when taking RDD levels? No. xyprym wrote: So the basic question is, go 30 sorc or 20 sorc 10 RDD? Thanks alot for answers and have a nice day. Depends on your RP.
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 10:18 AM |
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Joined: 06 Jun 2008
Location: England
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xyprym wrote: Long time nwn player here, but never really made a competitive epic spellcaster so i turn to you so far i have a lvl16 pure sorc. for RP reasons I'd like to go 10 levels of RDD. Is it worth it (I wouldn't gain anything cept some toughness)? Will my spell DCs suck if i take RDD? Will i get any epic spells if all my epic levels are RDD (i'd like to get 2 if that's even possible)? Will I be able to modify my spells when taking RDD levels? So the basic question is, go 30 sorc or 20 sorc 10 RDD? Thanks alot for answers and have a nice day. Little hint if you decide to go RDD, take your 20th Sorc level on 30, so then if you need to redo your spells, you only have to De-level once or have x amount of XP taken from you so you are 1 xp from 30 again.
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Previously known as: Anubis
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Ulir
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 11:08 AM |
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Joined: 09 Mar 2009
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Very_Svensk wrote: MoshingChris wrote: Very_Svensk wrote: Tossing out ideas here.
What about 21Wiz/9 AA, Going tensers and stuff.. Not when enough of the gear you'll want as an AA requires UMD or Monk levels. (Sun Souls etc) That also has no Discipline Dump. But it has about the same AC and AB as the monk one; Toppled with haste and since you're an elf/half-elf, you can wear that Full plate with 0 ASF. Plus buffs and maximized things; And hopefully, a Tanking Mummy dust or whatever the player requires. And since you're a wizard, Focusing in INT or what not; You'll crawl all over with Skillpoints! 26 Wiz/3 Rogue/1 AA might work for you. Go for dex primarily. You basically only need a natural 20 int for epic spells. There are plenty of spells without saving throws, which should keep you entertained and feeling strong spellwise. 20 int, 22+ dex, rest into con. Str only needs to reach 20 (buffed) which should be a walk in the park, with 5 str from maxed bulls and empowered or not empowered 2d4 str from Tenser's. Your ab will be around 50 with buffs and feats, your hp 400+ (with 10 con and buffed with empowered Tenser's), ac 60+ (22 natural dex = 60 ac) and fun sneaks, even though only 2d6 damage. Of course the AA arrows will boost your damage neatly, but don't expect grand things from your bow. Generally 1d8+2d6+2d10+5 damage will be the common damage output. Ash longbow crits (2d12) just adds to the fun. Not overwhelming, but certainly satisfactory and guaranteeing you an intoxicating combo of archery and spellweaving. You never get bored of spellbows/blades. _________________ 
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Ulir
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 11:13 AM |
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Joined: 09 Mar 2009
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I forgot to mention uncanny dodge.. good thing to have.
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Naivatkal
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 12:12 PM |
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Joined: 26 May 2010
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TormakSaber wrote: 9 total. Be that 9 rank,s 1 rank + 8 from items, or whatever. Just 9. Good good, thanks
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Salema Nefahri :: A penny for your thots
Zrae'a'stra'fryn :: That which nightmares are made of
Khasir :: From the East a storm is coming
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 12:29 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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Ulir wrote: I forgot to mention uncanny dodge.. good thing to have. Whole reason to take 9 AA Levels was for the +5Enchantment arrows and +5AB.
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hendrack
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 12:45 PM |
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Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Location: Vienna
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 14:19 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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hendrack wrote: GMW page? GMW on Bow = AB. Not Enchantment.
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Ulir
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 14:48 PM |
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Joined: 09 Mar 2009
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You'll still penetrate stoneskins and such. Of course you will have more ab and damage with 9 AA levels.. up to you.
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Isaiah
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 19:04 PM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2009
Location: Ohio, USA
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Does AA enchantment stack with ab from gmw and/or count towards the +20 ab cap?
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ainjyll
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Posted: Tue, Oct 05 2010, 19:06 PM |
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Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: wilmington, nc
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Stack no. I'm not sure about counting towards the cap, but I seem to remember that it does.
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