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Location: England
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A Tiefling is not an Elf, its an Outsider. Tiefling AA is mechanically impossible.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 17:56 PM |
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Hm... There goes the Archer idea. What else...What else... Prerequisite Something that can hold it's own in PvE
Something that can provide a reasonable Income in the future
Something with a Wide variety of skills.
Something without a bazillion buffs
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Glyph
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 18:00 PM |
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hm, reasonable income can be done without class options, though i'd imagine boosting appraise might help. (or does it?) as for holding your own in battles at lower levels with a rouge, find a party  (not gunna happen basically. not at lower levels.) been reading about AA's aswell, you'd need a 1 bard or something unless its changed on amia. and i've never understood 1 bard...maybe rouge/sorc/AA ? deffinatly an interesting mix. or, hunter/bard/AA, hunter/cleric/AA, fighter/cleric/AA, depends what your after I guess. also forget zen archery and stick with DEX imho. with the rouge/something build. ninja'd, something -without- a billion buffs, forget cleric then.
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 18:04 PM |
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Location: England
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You need atleast one level of an Arcane class to go AA, anyway. So Hunter/Cleric/AA wouldn't work.  Would need to have either Sorc, Wiz or Bard in the build to qualify.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 18:05 PM |
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Ye, else a 28Cleric/1Bard/1AA would work.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 18:17 PM |
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Location: London, UK
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You said no buffs, and tieflings get +1 ECL
Go 16 rogue, 6 fighter 7 wm
Pretty much the horned version of ruce.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 18:24 PM |
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Kinda stuck on the entire Archer thingy...
A Fey'ri is an elven Half devil/Demon/batzeeu... They should, technically, be able to Pick up Arcane archery.
Then a Half-elven Devil should ...basically be able to do the same, right?
Or will the 'Outsider' label mess it up mechanically?
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What the Moon Brings
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 18:53 PM |
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Is there a good build for a melee Sorcerer or Wizard that isn't a dwarf?
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 18:55 PM |
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Location: England
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Quote: Or will the 'Outsider' label mess it up mechanically? Yeah, it would mess it up, unfortunately. Need to be careful with those sub-races sometimes, since you can't get into the mines of Barak Runedar if you are an Outsider either, for example.
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Glyph
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 19:20 PM |
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you just reminded me of something actually...when I did shadows of undrentide yonks ago...
hunter, paladin, AA (i think >_> could swap paladin)
also elven helps.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 20:06 PM |
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Very_Svensk wrote: Kinda stuck on the entire Archer thingy...
A Fey'ri is an elven Half devil/Demon/batzeeu... They should, technically, be able to Pick up Arcane archery.
Then a Half-elven Devil should ...basically be able to do the same, right?
Or will the 'Outsider' label mess it up mechanically? The Outsider label prevents you from doing it, the same reason a Dwarven Earth Genasi cannot go Dwarven Defender.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 20:24 PM |
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Ok. Then i'm stuck on the Idea again... A Tiefling, With these criteria. Something Assassin + [Read below] Something that can hold it's own in PvE
Something that can provide a reasonable Income in the future
Something with a Wide variety of skills.
Something without a bazillion buffs
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 20:26 PM |
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Location: Finland
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Wait for the Assassin class to be beefed first, is my sole advice, then.
Otherwise, Rogue16/WM7/Fighter6?
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 20:32 PM |
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I've got one of those builds... They're ... awsome and all, But horribly boring.
It's a Dev.Crit something something...
Im really leaning towards making the server's first 30Rogue.
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brooksthegreat
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 20:41 PM |
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Location: Eastern US
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Very_Svensk wrote: I've got one of those builds... They're ... awsome and all, But horribly boring.
It's a Dev.Crit something something...
Im really leaning towards making the server's first 30Rogue. I've always wanted to do that.. Ijust couldn't come up with a good reason *not* to take a few levels of something else
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 20:43 PM |
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Yes. The Powerbuilder in me aches to Grab like ..1 Monk level and 1 Ranger level...
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 20:48 PM |
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Trouble with feats so far..  First layout
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QPR
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 20:57 PM |
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Location: Norway
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Any suggestions for starting stats for a plain human paladin? I don't want to rely entirely on Divine might/shield, but understand that I need quite a bit of it to be anywhere near beefy.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 20:58 PM |
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 Second layout. Disarm only really works with -Big- weapons. Figured he/she could use Short swords ProsEXTREMELY heavy Sneaks.
Can Switch to Cross-bow
Nobody has ever gone pure rogue?
Sick AC
Epic dodge ConsLack of Damage Vs Everything that's not sneaked
Lacks AB No Win-button(Hips)
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 21:04 PM |
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Location: England
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QPR wrote: Any suggestions for starting stats for a plain human paladin? I don't want to rely entirely on Divine might/shield, but understand that I need quite a bit of it to be anywhere near beefy. Here's a build Ruce put up on one of the previous Build Threads: Uberuce wrote: Bog standard Pally chap:
STR 14 -> 17, up to 20 with feats
DEX 8
CON 14
WIS 14
INT 14
CHA 14 -> 18
Feats:
1 Power Attack
3 Weapon Focus
6 Divine Shield
9 Divine Might
12 Extend Spell
15 Improved Crits
18 Knockdown/Blindfight
21 Great CHA
24 Great STR
27 Great STR/Epic Discipline
30 Great STR/Epic Fort
23 Armour Skin
26 Epic Weapon Focus
29 Epic Prowess
The secondary options are the PvP tweaks. To be honest, Epic Fort is pretty redundant on a Pally with decent CHA since you'll be on 29 Fort with nothing but CHA buffs anyway, but sitting at 33 makes getting to the magic 40 score so easy that gearsetting will be a joke.
Skills: Discipline, Tumble, Concentration, [optional]
Now, the power solution is to add in a Rogue level for Tumble/UMD or two for Evasion, but not everyone likes seeing Sneak Attack coming off their Paladin. Monk1 gives the Tumble and Evasion, but fullplated Monks are blech to others too
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 21:14 PM |
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Location: Finland
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Reckon you didn't count the tiefling changes in. I'd start out with STR 14, DEX 18, CON 12, INT 12, WIS 8, CHA 8.
Grab Skill mastery over Slippery mind.
Pre-epic feats would be: Two-weapon fighting, Ambidexterity, Weapon finesse, WF, KD, Improved two-weapon fighting, IKD, Blindfight.
Disarm is only useful with a bigger weapon as that's when the AB bonus kicks in.
Epic feats I'd imagine: Great DEX I, Epic Dodge, EWF, Armour skin, ESF Hide.
And if it wouldn't break your heart, please take a level of barbarian, bard, blackguard, champion of Torm, Dwarven Defender, fighter, Harper Scout, monk, paladin, ranger, red dragon disciple or Weapon Master for discipline.
For plain human pally you have three choices: Dev, Smite or generic. Generic goes with a good CHA and STR, Dev goes with a huge STR and CHA 14, Smite goes with a huge CHA and STR 14.
UMD class is preferred, not mandatory. Some deem its somewhat unpaladinic to be roguish. However, the way I see it, some gods that have paladins are a bit roguish. Varies greatly of the deity your Pally serves.
And yush, with Uce's build INT 14 is only if you grab a level of rogue. If not, then you either grab DEX 10 or start with STR 15 so you can trade a Great STR for ESF Discipline.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 21:16 PM |
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Quote: Two-weapon fighting, Ambidexterity, Weapon finesse, WF, KD, Improved two-weapon fighting, IKD, Blindfight. What happened to Improved.Critical?
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Sin4given
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 21:29 PM |
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Ahh, just chiming in, but if memory serves me right, I think Drakos Vek rebuilt into a pure 30 rogue 
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 21:37 PM |
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*28 Rogue.
Since he's a drow, yes?
Anyway. I Could Prance about with 2x Handaxes also, since Sneak + Crit stacks.
3x Crit + 18d6 Sneak = Badass..
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jafman30
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 21:43 PM |
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Location: The Land of Confusion.
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I'm looking for a good combination of Rogue/SD/Fighter. I'm thinking 16/6/8, respectively. Ideas, criticism, threats?
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Tue, Aug 10 2010, 23:54 PM |
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Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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30 Rogues have been done plenty of times. Actually the easiest non-caster purebreds to level to max.
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brooksthegreat
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 1:40 AM |
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Location: Eastern US
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Bard(25), Fighter(5), Human STR: 15 (18) DEX: 14 CON: 12 WIS: 8 INT: 14 CHA: 14 (18) Human: (Quick to Master) 01: Bard(1): Toughness, Curse Song 02: Fighter(1): Weapon Focus: Rapier 03: Bard(2): Knockdown 04: Bard(3): CHA+1, (CHA=15) 05: Bard(4) 06: Bard(5): Extend Spell 07: Bard(6) 08: Bard(7): CHA+1, (CHA=16) 09: Bard(8): Improved Knockdown 10: Bard(9) 11: Bard(10) 12: Bard(11): CHA+1, Maximize Spell, (CHA=17) 13: Bard(12) 14: Bard(13) 15: Bard(14): Improved Critical: Rapier 16: Bard(15): CHA+1, (CHA=18) 17: Fighter(2): Blind Fight 18: Fighter(3): Great Fortitude 19: Fighter(4): Weapon Specialization: Rapier 20: Bard(16): STR+1, (STR=16) 21: Bard(17): Epic Weapon Focus: Rapier 22: Bard(18) 23: Bard(19) 24: Bard(20): STR+1, Lasting Inspiration, (STR=17) 25: Bard(21) 26: Bard(22) 27: Fighter(5): Epic Weapon Specialization: Rapier 28: Bard(23): STR+1, Epic Skill Focus: Perform, (STR=18) 29: Bard(24) 30: Bard(25): Armor Skin Craft Armor 2(4), Craft Weapon 2(4), Discipline 33(37), Heal 9(8), Lore 33(60), Perform 33(47), Persuade 11(15), Spellcraft 32(34), Tumble 33(35), UMD 33(37) ---- also - better off with some kind of spellchain or spellplate, or trying to get an autoquicken deal so I can get normal plate? >.> And. Quote: War Cry
Spell level: bard 4
Innate level: 4
School: enchantment
Descriptor: mind-affecting, sonic
Components: verbal, somatic
Range: personal
Area of effect: colossal (10 meter radius)
Duration: 1 round / level
Save: will negates
Spell resistance: yes
Additional counterspells: silence
Description: The caster lets out a powerful shout that grants the bard a +2 bonus to attack and damage. All enemies within the area of effect are stricken with fear.
Previous versions
* Prior to 1.69, this spell did not have a somatic component, so it could be cast while wearing full armor and shield, ignoring arcane spell failure. Why on earth is a spell who's description is a battle-cry.. have an arcane spell failure from armor?
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NinjaClarinet
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 1:42 AM |
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Bards are all about dramatic. You can't hulk out and tear your shirt if it's made of metal
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BeautifulLie
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 3:15 AM |
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9 wiz 1 bard 20 PM is that viable?(It isn't is it? Due to needing 10 of a base class before epic to go 20 PM) *Mutter* say the bard for tumble/umd/heavy armor grab? I guess i'm looking to play a hard to kill necromancer. No not 30 wizard. Yes Uce I saw your AC build ty on that but its not quite what I had in mind. I can't imagine a serious necromancer singing... well a deathsinger yes but im more of the ideas of arcane study of necromancy and the lack of concern over death. Plust just not being so easy to gank by the EO easily. (Meaning I don't mind getting gutted by them but I don't want to be a push over.)
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 3:17 AM |
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With this build you will be. You got got great AC, but they have time, number, and 20's
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 3:17 AM |
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I don't help people build for PvP, sorry.
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BeautifulLie
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 3:22 AM |
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Im not looking to go ganking people but I am -expecting- to eventually be on a wanted list and chased and killed. When that time comes i'd rather not get insta-killed. Its not that i'm asking to wtfpwn people its that im asking to not get wtfpwnt.
*Scratches head* My understanding was that my spells would be trash anyways due to having only 10 or 9 wizard levels. Though wisest seems possibly to be 10 wiz 20 PM or 10Wiz 19 Pm 1 Bard. Anyways im rambling....
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 3:24 AM |
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Location: London, UK
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In PVE all you are is a person with lots of AC and hp, that cant contribuet a lick but cand stand there.... Effectively soak damage.
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BeautifulLie
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 3:28 AM |
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But wouldn't the winter wight be your dps? I'd think at max level you could grab a winter wight and use your touch of control undead on a manor vampire to make things smooth.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 5:23 AM |
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Interesting that 'The trend' has awoken again. When folk Set up Uber-chars to counter the EO.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 5:44 AM |
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Please, don't give yourself too much credit. People have been building characters to counter other characters since before Brog existed in Arelith.
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brooksthegreat
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 5:51 AM |
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Plus. If you're going to be a necromancer or ..any sort of baddie.. you basically know from the getgo you're going to be monkey-stomped by the forces of good at some point. Most build accordingly.
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Marcus Tyberius of the Eternal Order
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BeautifulLie
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 6:13 AM |
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What brook said, it's not so much that im out to get the EO as that i'm preparing for when they come to get me.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 6:43 AM |
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We're a bunch of Paladins/Clerics.
Anything Arcane is basically win, (ish)
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QPR
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 8:06 AM |
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Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Location: Norway
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Uncle-Opustus wrote: For plain human pally you have three choices: Dev, Smite or generic. Generic goes with a good CHA and STR, Dev goes with a huge STR and CHA 14, Smite goes with a huge CHA and STR 14.
UMD class is preferred, not mandatory. Some deem its somewhat unpaladinic to be roguish. However, the way I see it, some gods that have paladins are a bit roguish. Varies greatly of the deity your Pally serves.
And yush, with Uce's build INT 14 is only if you grab a level of rogue. If not, then you either grab DEX 10 or start with STR 15 so you can trade a Great STR for ESF Discipline. I was thinking a paladin of Tyr or Torm, very focused on the chivalry and honesty part, so no rouge. Monk would fit quite well, as the plan also includes a wow of poverty. I suppose the Generic Pally Chap fit's best then? With 12 int he'd pick up 4 skills per level which is enough for disc, tumble, taunt and concentration or RP skill like persuade or intimidate.
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Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
Dáin Saltbeard - Dwarven sailor and fencer. No, I'm not joking.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 9:17 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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I did a 28 paladin/1 monk/1 cleric for giggles (and domains, and the funny RP of being able to cast Raise Dead.... as long as I'm holding a psir of warhammers) and it worked out far better than I'd ever thought it could have, and having the monk/cleric is practically like having Kosher UMD. Went the "mostly STR But Not Dev" route that basically no one takes.He ends with 22 STR and 18 CHA. No Dev, 30 cha, 34 STR. Worked out nice for me.
EDIT: Mind that I was also either very insightful or totally retarded, depending, and have 15 wisdom because my original plan was to ask for a DC item with a level 5 Paladin slot and use Extended Holy Sword (This is legit: We've given Bards level 7 slots), but 1.69 kicked that plan in the balls. Stayed with the 15 wis anyways to be able to hilariously cast level 5 cleric spells.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Stormsorrow
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 9:23 AM |
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Joined: 25 Jul 2010
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TormakSaber wrote:
EDIT: We've given Bards level 7 slots), but 1.69 kicked that plan in the balls.
They did? Bleh. I need to read what the patch has again and see if my older builds need editing. For Amia, and my ECB's. _________________ Created by Jadyn
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 9:35 AM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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Very_Svensk wrote: Second layout. Disarm only really works with -Big- weapons. Figured he/she could use Short swords ProsEXTREMELY heavy Sneaks.
Can Switch to Cross-bow
Nobody has ever gone pure rogue?
Sick AC
Epic dodge ConsLack of Damage Vs Everything that's not sneaked
Lacks AB No Win-button(Hips) Contemplating the idea of adding monk. Something like 27Rogue/2Monk. 1 Monk Pre-Epic to net Kama Focus, And One Monk Epic to net Epic Discipline. The Cons is that i would loose 1BAB; And the pros are a Heapload of Attacks.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 9:47 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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Stormsorrow wrote: TormakSaber wrote:
EDIT: We've given Bards level 7 slots), but 1.69 kicked that plan in the balls.
They did? Bleh. I need to read what the patch has again and see if my older builds need editing. For Amia, and my ECB's. They killed Holy Sword, that's all. It needed fixing, but they fixed it wrong.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Stormsorrow
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 9:50 AM |
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Joined: 25 Jul 2010
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Oooh. That's not good either. =(
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 13:50 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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svenks if you are going to do monk, do 6 monk.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 13:52 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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Gah. I'll loose the Heavy sneaks then! =///
No. 29 Rogue, That's final!... Or maybe 28 + Ranger.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 14:01 PM |
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Joined: 10 Jul 2007
Location: Finland
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Your Bard25/Fighter5 build looks dandy, though I'd grab something else instead of Toughness.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 17:38 PM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Location: Near the bar.
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Very_Svensk wrote: Gah. I'll loose the Heavy sneaks then! You get more Sneak dice per round with Monk. Assuming no need for Great DEX and taking Epic WF and Armourskin, and Epic WSpec if available, Rogue30 gets 18d6, Rogue24/Ftr6 gets 15d6, Rogue24/Monk6 gets 15d6 too, and Rogue21/Monk3/Ftr6 gets 12d6. However, the Rogue30 Improved Two Weapon Fighting gets 5 attacks, the Rogue24/Ftr6 gets 6, the Rogue/Monk gets 7 and the Rogue/Ftr/Monk gets 8. That means that per round they get an average potential damage boost per round of 315, 351, 367.5, 376, which ignores the Ftr variants getting +1AB, and doesn't account for Flurry. The one I would go for if I could ever think of a monastic character I would enjoy RPing anything like as much as Va* would actually be Rogue19/Monk6/Ftr5, because of the featless no-INT Improved Knockdown, the +6AC from Monk levels and the 20% move speed. Less lethal than 21/3/6, but more wellrounded. *I'm not sure I'll ever find a character as much fun to drive as Va, but I'm really trying to quit the 3am booze and coffee binges, so I'm not really playing him any more.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Wed, Aug 11 2010, 17:57 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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Thanks uberuce for your help, I've got a lot of ideas on my mind now.
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