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6Fighter,1Bard,23Cleric  4Fighter,26Cleric,1bard  Did as you told me to, Switched out STR for wisdom and put 2 points into Charisma. Edit: I made the first new page on the Build advice topic: MK. IV, Gz me! Eidit 2 :: Well, it's pretty much a choice of Silent spell, or No silent spell.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sun, Jul 11 2010, 22:06 PM |
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I'll point out that the Kamenati Prototype doesn't have Might/Shield, has 28 levels in cleric and still goes to 60 AC regularly.
War/Travel Domains is my next assumption which means you wont have any trouble netting 51 AB and max wisdom and max AC.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Sun, Jul 11 2010, 22:07 PM |
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MoshingChris wrote: I'll point out that the Kamenati Prototype doesn't have Might/Shield, has 28 levels in cleric and still goes to 60 AC regularly.
War/Travel Domains is my next assumption which means you wont have any trouble netting 51 AB and max wisdom and max AC. Noh. Sun / Travel works. Kelly Domains. Explain the basics behind 28 Cleric btw? I supose there's a Rogue level in there somewhere, and a Fighter level. Edit:: 28 Cleric levels doesn't net an extra Feat, so that's odd... I'd go with 26 or 29, but not 28
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hendrack
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Posted: Sun, Jul 11 2010, 22:09 PM |
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Either go caster or melee cleric, not both. The 28 cleric 1 rogue/monk 1 ranger is the classic caster cleric with 40 WIS on a mulan. As kelly, death domain.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Sun, Jul 11 2010, 22:18 PM |
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Believe it or not, But kelemvor does not have Death as his domain. >.<
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sun, Jul 11 2010, 22:23 PM |
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Thats a diety system oversight, Kelemvor should have death because there is an interrupt on the summon script which means if you have Kelly in the diety field you summon the Outsider regardless of alignment.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Sun, Jul 11 2010, 22:25 PM |
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But ok, How innefective would the 20STR / 20WIS Half-caster / Half meele cleric be?
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sun, Jul 11 2010, 23:23 PM |
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Not in effective at all....
Dude, seriously? You should be able to get 18 str, 20 wis, 16 cha. Do that... War/Travel/Death... Pick 2. All are okay for Kelemvor, especially the EO would be cool with War. Your 7 dex becomes 12 with maxed cats grace from your War. Travel is what I'd toss out. You can buy pots and hasty wands. Cant get aura of vitality without War in most cases.
All day maxed cats/bulls/rhinos + aura of vitality = +9 to the core stats... if you cant get +12 on cha,wis,str,con from there, you epicly, EPICLY fail at life. And still could max out spot/disc I bet.
27 Cleric, 2 rogue, 1 ranger
28 cleric , 1 monk, 1 ranger
Is an awesome Caster Cleric set up, like Hendrack said.
If prefering melee on a mulan if Im not mistaken
18 str, 7 dex, 12/14 intel?, 20 wis, 16 cha, 10 con Should be very workable. Think that Chris pointed out even without div might/shield (which I know you love) you have 60ish AC.
AB for melee build, without divine shield/might should be 55. With it, is 51 I beleive? But If you got war domain, for pvp/bosses using battle mastery and bam-0 you're back at 55 (or more).... (i could be very wrong about this because of the +20 max thing).
In short, you've been around long enough, gave enough 'advice', trolled this forum a billion times, you should know by now....You really cant screw up a cleric.
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Zanthair
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 4:10 AM |
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drow cleric build. the current one i have (26 cleric/ 2 fighter) has dev crit, but the DC isnt too hot (only 25 base str, +11 from gear for 36 max. Cant take it higher or else i'll lose mummydust)
base info - male drow cleric of selvetarm. I know the RP ramifications of the number of cleric levels he has in female lolth dominated drow society, so that is a non-issue with me buildwise. (i've read places that males can only have like, 14 cleric levels). I find the build fares well in PvE, but falls to casters in pvp and meleers in pvp, feel the saves are weak and the dev crit dc is weak.
I'm currently finishing a self rebuild for rp reasons (dropped dev crit rapier for dev crit longsword, didnt think rapier was fitting for a str build dev crit cleric) Was thinking heavy flail reskinned to maul when i get to 28 and do a free rebuild, and was looking for build possibilities. I can post what was given as the base build if you want, but I've changed it around a bit.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 4:14 AM |
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Thats not how dev crit DC works...
Its 10+1/2 character level + str modifier.
So it should be 10+14+13
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Zanthair
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 4:15 AM |
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i was just talking about my max str. shoulda clarified that.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 4:20 AM |
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Ah, sorry...
Options for Drow Melee Cleric
26 cleric/1 rogue/ 1 ranger(fighter)
23 cleric/4 fighter/1 (rogue)
25 cleric/2 rogue/ 1 (fighter)
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Zanthair
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 4:25 AM |
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im assuming none of those listed have dev crit? and all those with ranger at level 28 (or whatever gives an even multiple of 5 for max tumble dump)
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here is my current generic build, ill see the changes i made and put them in
Start stats: 17 str, 10 dex, 7 con, 8 int, 18 wisdom, 8 charisma
end stats: 25 str, 10 dex, 7 con, 10 int, 20 wisdom, 10 charisma
Preepic levels: 20 cleric. It is very important that it -is- 20 levels of cleric.
preepic feats: spellfocus conjuration, greater spell focus conjuration, power attack, cleave, great cleave, improved crit ( longsword ), extend spell.
*no spell focus or greater spell focus, 2 free feats in there, dont know which ones i took though.
Stats progression : level 4 +1 wisdom, 8,12,16,20 = +1 str.
Epic feats and progression.
6 cleric levels from 20-27. Bonus cleric feats : Epic spell focus ( conjuration ), great wisdom.
*not taking ESF, have a free epic feat in there.
2 figther levels, 26,28. Bonus figther feats : Overwhelming crit, devastating crit.
level 21 and 24, take a great str feat. level 27, take Epic spell : EDK.
*taking mummyd dust
important to make your spellcraft 25 at level 27 cleric. At level 28 figther, make tumble 15 ( due to cross class skills ). rest into discipline.
*ditched crossclass tumble 15, gonna put it all into discipline (only had 3 left over points, will probably go max disc at 28 and rest into spellcraft)
Your end feats should look like: Cleave, devastating critical ( longsword) , epic spell focus ( Conjuration ) extend spell, great cleave, great strength II, great wisdom I, improved critical ( longsword ), overwhelming critical ( longsword), power attack.
**so it has 2 free feats and 1 free epic feat, EDK replaced with mummy dust.
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Jyro X
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 4:27 AM |
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By the way, number of levels of x class is OOC knowledge and shouldn't be used for any IC ramifications/rankings.
That's just my personal opinion and the precedent I've seen set in the past by DM's. Disregard if a DM states otherwise.
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ainjyll
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 4:40 AM |
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Jyro X wrote: By the way, number of levels of x class is OOC knowledge and shouldn't be used for any IC ramifications/rankings.
That's just my personal opinion and the precedent I've seen set in the past by DM's. Disregard if a DM states otherwise. If I remember correctly, the amount of levels is only gauged in reference to spell casting. In a drow society, the women don't want males to be having more power than them. Ilharess and High Priestess characters have to be able to cast 9th level spells (or they did when I was playing Bree) and I seem to remember there being certain requirements for other specific ranks within drow society. Can't have an Arch-mage that can only cast level 3 spells, right? Zanthair, Pigeon's 23 cleric/4 fighter/1 rogue was always really popular for drow, as is the 22 cleric/4 fighter/2 rogue. It'll lower your spell DC a bit from what you have now, but if you're swinging for the fences with Dev Crit, I'm guessing that's not too important for your character. I'd also strongly recommend taking some if not all of those fighter levels pre-epic. You'll thank yourself for it later. _________________  "I once took the high road and it took me straight to hell and I stood there all by myself." -Hank III
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 4:51 AM |
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Spell DC has nothing to do with how many levels you have in a class. www.nwnwiki.comPlease learn mechanics before you dispense advice in this thread.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 5:18 AM |
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And for the love of all that is holy, dont take 4 fighter pre-epic on a cleric.
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hendrack
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 8:52 AM |
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Very_Svensk wrote: But ok, How innefective would the 20STR / 20WIS Half-caster / Half meele cleric be? He'll do fine in melee but your spell DC will be sucky. Either go 40 WIS or not caster at all. You can afford to throw around EQ against non-dexers fine even without spell focus evocation. But you want a high DC for implosion. The good thing about the caster cleric is, he'll do OK in melee too, because... he's a cleric.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 9:56 AM |
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(24base)36 Wisdom + Epic spell focus = 38 Max DC; Right? Is it enought? I mean, it doesnt cripple really, does it?
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 12:00 PM |
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Very_Svensk wrote: (24base)36 Wisdom + Epic spell focus = 38 Max DC; Right? Is it enought? I mean, it doesnt cripple really, does it? Almost everything has 40 Fort, so what do you mean by enough? _________________ 
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Jyro X
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 14:39 PM |
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Dramatic_Prince wrote: Very_Svensk wrote: (24base)36 Wisdom + Epic spell focus = 38 Max DC; Right? Is it enought? I mean, it doesnt cripple really, does it? Almost everything has 40 Fort, so what do you mean by enough? *buzzer sound* Only about 20% of the server has 40 fort. Unless you're talking about PvE. They have scores of 50+. _________________
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Zanthair
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 14:52 PM |
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ainjyll wrote: Jyro X wrote: By the way, number of levels of x class is OOC knowledge and shouldn't be used for any IC ramifications/rankings.
That's just my personal opinion and the precedent I've seen set in the past by DM's. Disregard if a DM states otherwise. If I remember correctly, the amount of levels is only gauged in reference to spell casting. In a drow society, the women don't want males to be having more power than them. Ilharess and High Priestess characters have to be able to cast 9th level spells (or they did when I was playing Bree) and I seem to remember there being certain requirements for other specific ranks within drow society. Can't have an Arch-mage that can only cast level 3 spells, right? Zanthair, Pigeon's 23 cleric/4 fighter/1 rogue was always really popular for drow, as is the 22 cleric/4 fighter/2 rogue. It'll lower your spell DC a bit from what you have now, but if you're swinging for the fences with Dev Crit, I'm guessing that's not too important for your character. I'd also strongly recommend taking some if not all of those fighter levels pre-epic. You'll thank yourself for it later. interesting.. why take them preepic if i might ask? for the AB? need at least 2 of them post epic for overwhelming and dev crit... side note, im going for a 'high priest of selvetarm' type build, if that changes things. Mixing the physical with the prayer. Case in point, id go pure cleric if it could get dev crit.
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Tiffany Seagrass - weak and fragile weaver of words
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Jyro X
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:03 PM |
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ainjyll wrote: Jyro X wrote: By the way, number of levels of x class is OOC knowledge and shouldn't be used for any IC ramifications/rankings.
That's just my personal opinion and the precedent I've seen set in the past by DM's. Disregard if a DM states otherwise. If I remember correctly, the amount of levels is only gauged in reference to spell casting. In a drow society, the women don't want males to be having more power than them. Ilharess and High Priestess characters have to be able to cast 9th level spells (or they did when I was playing Bree) and I seem to remember there being certain requirements for other specific ranks within drow society. Can't have an Arch-mage that can only cast level 3 spells, right? Those are all standards set by Amian PC's and don't have any bearing as to how you want to RP your character. Granted, you can't have a Fighter/WM/Rogue claiming to be a high priest of Lolth, but certain discretion must be taken. That said, try to build your character to fit your RP; not the other way around. But yes, a person knowing how many levels of x class you have and what level spells you can cast is a silly way to base your ranking system as opposed to RP. If anything, all it does is encourage people to grind levels and neglect RP until they've reached the level for their required rank. And that, I don't agree with. RP starts the moment you enter the server, as I believe Tormak has said before. _________________
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:04 PM |
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Zanthair wrote: interesting.. why take them preepic if i might ask? for the AB? need at least 2 of them post epic for overwhelming and dev crit...
side note, im going for a 'high priest of selvetarm' type build, if that changes things. Mixing the physical with the prayer. Case in point, id go pure cleric if it could get dev crit. You don't need Dev Crit to be an effective melee'r by the way. _________________
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:06 PM |
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Jyro X wrote: Dramatic_Prince wrote: Very_Svensk wrote: (24base)36 Wisdom + Epic spell focus = 38 Max DC; Right? Is it enought? I mean, it doesnt cripple really, does it? Almost everything has 40 Fort, so what do you mean by enough? *buzzer sound* Only about 20% of the server has 40 fort. Unless you're talking about PvE. They have scores of 50+. Goddamnit. You are right. But if the entire server has 40 Fort, Does it really really matter with a DC 2 points lower?
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:07 PM |
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Very_Svensk wrote: Goddamnit. You are right. But if the entire server has 40 Fort, Does it really really matter with a DC 2 points lower? Nope. You're only gonna get 'em on 1's either way. _________________
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:10 PM |
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Then i will change course of action.
PvM Cleric. Whats the best bet you think? One that can go on for ages... and ages, and carries a decent summon?
I figure it's a 4Fighter/26Cleric, huh?
I mean, even if i cannot tumbledump, i will still Push Divine shield huh? and would potentially fit Armor skin, because A wise man once said that not taking armor skin is like shooting yourself in the foot - It's stupid and it hurts.
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Zanthair
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:12 PM |
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Jyro X wrote: Zanthair wrote: interesting.. why take them preepic if i might ask? for the AB? need at least 2 of them post epic for overwhelming and dev crit...
side note, im going for a 'high priest of selvetarm' type build, if that changes things. Mixing the physical with the prayer. Case in point, id go pure cleric if it could get dev crit. You don't need Dev Crit to be an effective melee'r by the way. how well a melee cleric fare in pvp though? from experience, I've gotten my ass handed to me by mages, full warrior builds, and spell swords (though, he had pale master crit immunity) as well as hipsing rogues and the like... I'm really trying to find a build that can go toe to toe against powerbuilds while still embodying the 'high cleric of selvetarm' aspect im trying to rp. (meaning, level 9 spells, definite ability to cast epic spells)
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Jyro X
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:15 PM |
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Zanthair wrote: Jyro X wrote: Zanthair wrote: interesting.. why take them preepic if i might ask? for the AB? need at least 2 of them post epic for overwhelming and dev crit...
side note, im going for a 'high priest of selvetarm' type build, if that changes things. Mixing the physical with the prayer. Case in point, id go pure cleric if it could get dev crit. You don't need Dev Crit to be an effective melee'r by the way. how well a melee cleric fare in pvp though? from experience, I've gotten my ass handed to me by mages, full warrior builds, and spell swords (though, he had pale master crit immunity) as well as hipsing rogues and the like... I'm really trying to find a build that can go toe to toe against powerbuilds while still embodying the 'high cleric of selvetarm' aspect im trying to rp. (meaning, level 9 spells, definite ability to cast epic spells) A melee cleric -is- a powerbuild. I know of one melee cleric off the top of my head that lays waste to every single PvM area on both servers as well as most players in PvP. And that's just one of many. However, I'm not really apt to handing out that build in this thread but I'm sure someone else will very shortly. It's just a matter of knowing how to properly play, to be completely honest. Knowing which buffs take priority, knowing who/when to attack, etc etc. You'll want a UMD level though. I will tell you that much. _________________
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:26 PM |
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Damnit Svenks.
For what i know about you and your avid warmongering I'd take Death/War domains
15/8/10/15/14/14... After your mulan is 15/7/10/16/14/14... After leveling up is 16/7/10/20/14/16
23 cleric, 6 fighter, 1 rogue
24 cleric, 4 fighter, 2 rogue Depends how badly you want evasion
26 cleric, 2 fighter, 2 rogue
(Can drop intel if you find you dont need that many skills)
Thats the Divine Mighter and Shielder....
For No Div might/Shield do this
16/8/12/16/14/8.... After your mulan its 16/7/12/17/14/8.. After leveling up its 20/7/12/20/14/8
Not as well rounded, but it gets a lot more feats to spare, and +2 ab, and you still get an epic spell or 2 depending what you go. These are for the most part pretty straightforward stats for clerics.
Zanthair- If you cant solo everywhere except actand/abyss/manor on a melee cleric. I apologize but its fail cat pretty hard. You have buffs that make you dish more damage and have equal ab to a wm for crying out loud with 60 (often + that) AC.
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Tacka
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:39 PM |
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Gotta two questions.
1. Spot or Listen?
I am under an impression that one needs a lesser rank in listen for the skill to be effective, as most people take less focus into the skill. Though I'll still suffer from sneak attacks as I won't have blind fighting and a rumour has it that listen has a 2 second delay.
I'll be doing ranged damage most of the time btw.
2. 2x Great Dexterity or Epic Skill focus discipline and maybe armour skin(or some Initiative boosting feat, if that's any good at all)?
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hendrack
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:42 PM |
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Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Location: Vienna
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:44 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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Well, Im stuck on the same Square again. I cannot, for the love of god, fit Silent spell.
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Zanthair
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:46 PM |
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Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Location: [st]Ultrinnan[/st] [st]Edonil[/st] Nec'perya
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GreatPigeon wrote: Damnit Svenks.
For what i know about you and your avid warmongering I'd take Death/War domains
15/8/10/15/14/14... After your mulan is 15/7/10/16/14/14... After leveling up is 16/7/10/20/14/16
23 cleric, 6 fighter, 1 rogue
24 cleric, 4 fighter, 2 rogue Depends how badly you want evasion
26 cleric, 2 fighter, 2 rogue
(Can drop intel if you find you dont need that many skills)
Thats the Divine Mighter and Shielder....
For No Div might/Shield do this
16/8/12/16/14/8.... After your mulan its 16/7/12/17/14/8.. After leveling up its 20/7/12/20/14/8
Not as well rounded, but it gets a lot more feats to spare, and +2 ab, and you still get an epic spell or 2 depending what you go. These are for the most part pretty straightforward stats for clerics.
Zanthair- If you cant solo everywhere except actand/abyss/manor on a melee cleric. I apologize but its fail cat pretty hard. You have buffs that make you dish more damage and have equal ab to a wm for crying out loud with 60 (often + that) AC. ohh as for AC, to hit 60's, im assuming that is with rogue tumble dump to get 5 or 6 more ac, and then iron skin for +2? i'm sitting at 45 right now (only +4 nat, +4 deflection, and +10 for two spells. at max before dropping rapier and adding longsword, i was soloing giants, illithids, yuan-ti, beholders (after i got the strategy to keep my summon alive there) and i think thats all i ever went. as for my gearsetting... most of my equipment is set for buffing my stats, and spells for the other stats that I increase. (i have my str and wis buffs on equipment, with some con, and then cast con and dex. i suppose i can drop 3 str from equipment and add bulls on my spell list.)
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hendrack
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:47 PM |
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Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Location: Vienna
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Very_Svensk wrote: Well, Im stuck on the same Square again. I cannot, for the love of god, fit Silent spell. Then don't. You can't have it all with a cleric and the limited feats.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:52 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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MAX SPELL Damnit! MAX SPELL! Zanthair [bonks on the head]
Your AC on a Cleric Should read....
10 Base +1 dex mod + 8 plate armor + 3 tower shield + 5 armor (you have a spell) +5 deflection (again you have a spell) + 4 natural + 5 dodge+ 5 shield ( you have a spell)+6 tumble + 2 armor skin
= 54
Haste potion = 58
And Divine shield, on a drow- should go for it = 68 or so.....
Think this is about right.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:53 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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hendrack wrote: Very_Svensk wrote: Well, Im stuck on the same Square again. I cannot, for the love of god, fit Silent spell. Then don't. You can't have it all with a cleric and the limited feats. On a melee cleric you wont actually need silent spell. You will be wanting to use your feats for other things, and not have time to be using the silented spell, rather you will be wanting to get a lot more regen and combat buffs extended and the like in those places. _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Zanthair
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 15:54 PM |
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Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Location: [st]Ultrinnan[/st] [st]Edonil[/st] Nec'perya
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ahhh... i have room for maximized spell now that i dropped spell focus... i wonder if i can fit my spell sets with the metamagic...
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Isendu't'tar Ussen'd'Vhid d'My'ana'd'Xull'd'Vharcan - possibly the longest name in Amia
Tiffany Seagrass - weak and fragile weaver of words
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 17:04 PM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Very_Svensk wrote: Well, Im stuck on the same Square again. I cannot, for the love of god, fit Silent spell. Totally done. Given EQ is a reflex save, and an eigth level spell you need 40wisdom for it to be effective. Same with Hammer of the Gods. A disabler cleric with what you've got wont even be great in PvM without 40wisdom (or at least 38). And your not even taking into account gear concerns. You'll need 3 Dex,12 strength, 12wisdom, 12 cha and some Con for a Might/Shield Caster to work. That means as a minimum you need to invest 7str, 7wisdom 7cha and 3 dex on your gear. Which is -alot- even for a Cleric.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 17:11 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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Thats why Im saying he needs to go War, it fits with EO RP, easily.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 17:14 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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Ghrnn... Damnit damnit.
OK, War Works - And Travel is a Domain on Kelemvor. (Strangely) I guess it fits the concept, even tho i think it smells BAAD.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 17:15 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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 This one then. Would it be Fine to remove Wep.Spec and Epic.Wep.Spec for Silent spell and Armor skin? Lots and lots of AC, at least... I can easily top 70, i guess... Edit: If i remove Rogue, I can take one level of Cleric and grab Armor skin. And then Fit Wep.Spec at least... I will only loose 1 AC. But is it a huge loss to loose UMD, you think?
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 17:16 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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Death... Take Death, Mosh said its supposed to be, after all there is a script interrupt. And you will love having the summon, its like having a party member that actually knows how to build with you at all times. Nobody would frown on a kellie taking death and war. This Im pretty sure.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 17:19 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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Ye, but ...A Marut Inevitable fits the EO Concept also. Quote: Maruts confront those who would try to deny the grave itself.
Any who use unnatural means to extend their life span could be targeted by a marut. Those who take extraordinary measures to cheat death in some other way might be labeled transgressors as well. Those who use magic to reverse death aren’t worthy of a marut’s attention unless they do so repeatedly or on a massive scale. I mean, this fits - right?
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hendrack
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 17:24 PM |
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Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Location: Vienna
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Death domain, really. Take it. Buffable weapon and dmg vs undead.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 17:37 PM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Death and Travel. EO aside taking war domain is still powergamey abuse.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 17:41 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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Ghn. Then i need to know what to do with the Feat at level 27, Which was suppose to be mummy dust.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 17:43 PM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Epic Fort/Discipline etc etc etc.
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Socially and recently politically Inept Knight of Xymor
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 17:44 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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Epic Disc/ Fort is always a standard option.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Mon, Jul 12 2010, 17:45 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005
Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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 Ok. Death - Travel. Removed: Mummy dust Rogue Added: Armor skin hellball
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