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Galenson
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 Posted: Sat, May 08 2010, 12:46 PM |
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Joined: 26 May 2006
Location: Down Under, calculating your demise with blunt expressions.
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An act of fairness also differs from person to person, thus making a compromise an extremely difficult solution, which is why I believe its been left as it is and has been since 2005 and beyond.
In my simplest of opinions: Daylight blindness is an annoyance but suck it up. Dev time's better spent elsewhere, considering that daylight blindness only affects a minority of the playerbase.
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Logicality
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Posted: Sat, May 08 2010, 13:07 PM |
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Joined: 23 Apr 2008
Location: The Otherworld
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If it's just an X second blindness effect on drow on area enter, it should be only a few lines to comment out (in the case of removal of the annoyance).
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BrainSplitter
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Posted: Sat, May 08 2010, 13:07 PM |
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Location: Victoria, Australia
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Selvec Darkon wrote: Tis a very silly addition that does nothing but annoy players of surface Drow. Don't quote it being PnP penalty to that race either, because quite frankely in PnP you can get used to the light and void the penalty on the surface, both blindness and AB I believe. Meaning us who have played surface Drow for years should be used to the light by now and no longer be sensitive to it. Truely a silly addition Got to correct you a little on this one. Despite the 'minority' of the mechanical effects, the natural light-blindness suffered by Drow (among other races) is extremely debilitating. To the point where the only way to overcome its effects at all and reduce them, is taking an individual PnP Feat which requires 15 Constitution to undergo the appropriate proceedures to safely accustom your eyes to it. Short form; Surface drow still aren't going to want to look up on a sunny day, nor look at reflective surfaces or go through alpine mountains in daylight (due to, again, reflective light)
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Yurell
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Posted: Sat, May 08 2010, 13:25 PM |
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Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Location: ANU, behind the coffee mug (+10 GMT)
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On a sunny day it's bad enough for a normal human.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, May 08 2010, 14:08 PM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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BrainSplitter wrote: Selvec Darkon wrote: Tis a very silly addition that does nothing but annoy players of surface Drow. Don't quote it being PnP penalty to that race either, because quite frankely in PnP you can get used to the light and void the penalty on the surface, both blindness and AB I believe. Meaning us who have played surface Drow for years should be used to the light by now and no longer be sensitive to it. Truely a silly addition Got to correct you a little on this one. Despite the 'minority' of the mechanical effects, the natural light-blindness suffered by Drow (among other races) is extremely debilitating. To the point where the only way to overcome its effects at all and reduce them, is taking an individual PnP Feat which requires 15 Constitution to undergo the appropriate proceedures to safely accustom your eyes to it. Short form; Surface drow still aren't going to want to look up on a sunny day, nor look at reflective surfaces or go through alpine mountains in daylight (due to, again, reflective light) Even so, it's an avaliable feat to help deal with the issues, and as far as a mechanic goes to simulate the deblitating effect, the blindness thing doesn't really cut it. More of a minor annoyance that would be better served removed or improved on.
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Dark Immolation
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Posted: Sat, May 08 2010, 16:37 PM |
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Joined: 20 Apr 2008
Location: The downeaster "Alexa"
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I'm gonna have to agree with Selvec. The penalties are fine and represent sensitivity to light enough. The blindess repeats when it's not supposed to and just screws with people for not reason. I know from experience, even walking and following some in RP through a transition with a drow, you have to wait like 6 seconds to keep moving with the group after you pass through. Only way that makes sense is if drow impulsively look up at the sun every time the pass through a transition. And last I recall, they get a bonus to intelligence, not a penalty. 
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ainjyll
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Posted: Sat, May 08 2010, 17:34 PM |
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Joined: 14 Jun 2006
Location: wilmington, nc
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A drow should never get used to the light (that specific feat excluded, of course). I hate to use Drizzt as an example, it makes me cringe really, but he's the only surface drow I can think of right now and he never got used to the daylight, even after years and years and years of being on the surface.
Yes, the blindness sucks. If it annoys you, odds are it annoys your character, too. For some reason it doesn't happen underground, though. I wonder if that's a hint about something?
I'm all for people playing their characters as they want to, but sometimes it just gets ridiculous. In my own humble opinion, if you want to play a character that makes up a severe minority of a given race (i.e. surface drow compared to UD drow), take the negatives that come with it. If I had my druthers, surface drow would be a platinum coin request.
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Dark Immolation
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Posted: Sat, May 08 2010, 20:39 PM |
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Joined: 20 Apr 2008
Location: The downeaster "Alexa"
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I think you may have misinterpreted.
I think the penalties are fine, the -1 to blah blah blah. It's mechanical blindness that happens everytime you go through an OoC transition(As in one part of the forest to the next) that is annoying. No one's saying drow should get used to light, we're saying that the way its implimented is faulty. If it happened the first time you entered the outside during the daytime, that would be fine. But it doesn't, it triggers multiple times throughout traveling through transitions.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sat, May 08 2010, 22:13 PM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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It's true. There's no flavor to being blinded a few seconds every time you enter transition. It doesn't make IC sense either, but that's a secondary concern. More importantly, it's just annoying a poorly implemented. It's also pointless because you're not allowed to attack drow on sight, so that few seconds of vulnerability can't even be used against them.
Heftier penalties in daylight, however, would be fine.
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BlackDahlya
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Posted: Sun, May 09 2010, 4:15 AM |
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Joined: 17 Aug 2005
Location: Land of the Scorching Sun, Empowered by Global Warming
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Dark Immolation wrote: Selvec Darkon wrote: Surface Drow are not limited to Elistraeens or good Drow. A few of us play the exiles, or the runaways. Drow hoping to make a profit in a world not dominated by religion, politics and gender. These Drow are few and far between but we exist. Generally we end up being seen as "Those other Drow that make no sense", but they do make sense, just nobodies bother to actually delve into their background. +1 True. I would love if people actually got to know the background of my characters (not only my drow, but all my characters), since premature judgement makes me very disheartened and I end up giving up playing characters (happened a few times, even though I am back playing that character now). On the other hand, I think it is a bit arrogant of me wanting people to know my PCs' background before judging them. It is kind of normal to expect/hope that a DM knows your background story, but I think it might be preposterous to want other PCs/players to know. They will know if they want to know. Not everyone wants to play the game to know the story of another character even if they would love/want you to know the story of theirs. But that is just me and I think I went completely off topic here.
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P Three
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Posted: Sun, May 09 2010, 4:46 AM |
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Joined: 18 Dec 2008
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ainjyll wrote: A drow should never get used to the light (that specific feat excluded, of course). I hate to use Drizzt as an example, it makes me cringe really, but he's the only surface drow I can think of right now and he never got used to the daylight, even after years and years and years of being on the surface.
Yes, the blindness sucks. If it annoys you, odds are it annoys your character, too. For some reason it doesn't happen underground, though. I wonder if that's a hint about something?
I'm all for people playing their characters as they want to, but sometimes it just gets ridiculous. In my own humble opinion, if you want to play a character that makes up a severe minority of a given race (i.e. surface drow compared to UD drow), take the negatives that come with it. If I had my druthers, surface drow would be a platinum coin request. Elrien still smacks into walls in daylight. Cometer laughs. _________________ Bobo_Underhill wrote: Ley lines, y'all. Just let me go wrangle up my cowboy boots and lasso us up some magic.
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Galenson
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Posted: Sun, May 09 2010, 8:16 AM |
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Joined: 26 May 2006
Location: Down Under, calculating your demise with blunt expressions.
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Exterminate the race in its entirety. It removes all the problems.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sun, May 09 2010, 14:26 PM |
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Location: On a Disk, carried by four elephants, which stand on a gigantic turtle.
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*Puts on his pure black power ranger helm with tinted visor*
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The Peacock
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Posted: Mon, May 10 2010, 9:22 AM |
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Joined: 17 Feb 2007
Location: Patrollink ze borderz! Wo ist das Hahn!?
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Galenson wrote: Exterminate the race in its entirety. It removes all the problems. Well.. I mean. Don't do that. It would ultimately achieve a lifetime goal, but leave me with nothing to do. _________________  'Ze Cock! Ze Cock ist shtill aut der!! Kapitulation feiern - NEIN DANKE!'
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