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It's not just buries and prayers. Kelemvorites confort those that are about to die. They try to take their fear from death. They spread information about the afterlife, especially trying to aid anyone from dying as a false or faithless in order to prevent any soul from becoming a part of the wall of the faithless.
Duties that actually should make them quite popular. Of course, that is my humble opinion about their duties.
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Location: Kohlingen, and a Basement in Canada
Probably not unheard of for people to go to the Kelemvorites to make all needed arrangements for their last will and testament. ((Bryce himself did, as while he has family still, they are far away and wanted them not to have to bear any burdens more then his death would already have entailed. Incidentally he did this before joining the Cordorian Guard))
Also, this is my humble opinion but I agree with the idea Kellies should be at least a bit more popular, however the Eternal Orders' actions probably are the cause of this. No , I don't want to go into an extended debate about it unless it's in PMs, solely because I'd rather this thread not get ugly.
I guess what the popular misconception of a group is, isn't necessarily what the group is. I know for instance, there's a strong hatred for Winyan elves right now, by most other groups not them. Same thing happened to the Banites, Eternal Order or otherwise. In a way though, that gets their name about but things you must remember that those who constantly slag off a particular faction are usually the one's not part of it and therefore, don't know the truth of it. In each faction, there are sub-factions, each with a different outlook to others. Weirdly enough, the controversial factions, are also the one's that get most remembered. Eternal Order are one of those. Keep up the great work guys and girls!
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Its rather simple. The Eternal Order are kelemvorites, they are not the faith as a whole. The amian chapter of the order are pretty much designed for a single purpose, to root out what their church proclaims as heresy and blasphemy. They wont step back and tolerate as that would be failure. They are also different from the other parts of the Eternal Order, as they are not a sole paladin faction and have an extremly powerful control organ, the Office of Inquisition.
I think I spoke about this with a dm in the past who asked me why the Eternal Order wasnt doing more burials or teaching as he thought it was just the name of that particular group and not a military order in service in their church. The awnser is very simple, as its not their main duty. They have the clergy, the monks and the other faithfuls for that.
To compare it to the medieval christian faith, the Inquisition or the Knight-Templar were not the faith itself, they were a part of it with very set duties. I would love to see more diverse kelemvorites, see more of the different aspects, hence why I posted that there are different parts of the Kellies.
Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Location: Kohlingen, and a Basement in Canada
It might behoove the Order to see if there are any either in their ranks or in the future they meet whom can focus on such duties. If I was to make a Kelemvorite honestly I think that's the direction I'd be heading.
Joined: 01 Jul 2006 Location: The City of Fallen Angels, Ca
The EO have their duties though, and it fits them. The rest of us, the non-EO Kellies, are free to take up the other roles. We're free to help the EO and do what they do also though.
My Kellies main duties revolve around actual death. In other words, most everything a Mortician/Undertaker/Funeral Director does, from last rites to embalming to digging the actual grave. She also protects and cleans graveyards. That's my Kellies main duties. Secondly, she destroys the undead, keeps the clergy, EO included, informed of Necromancer and undead sightings and happenings. Third, she hunts down and deals with Necromancers and undead. She's also a scribe and carpenter, which fits into all of her duties quiet well. Being a high level Monk, she kinda revolves, mostly, around what the Most Solemn Order of the Silent Shroud does.
So yeah, we don't all focus on the the things the EO focuses on all the time. There's some diversity that's a bit overshadowed at the moment, but it's there.
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Ah, well, then I'll get Numbers to clarify then ... AFAIK the Office of Inquisition are PCs also, although if I'm wrong I'm sure a Kelly will correct me.
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Just a suggestion, but why not expand the faction to cover the whole Church? That way you make it a Broad Church and get to include everyone that fits the God.
Even if you all don't see eye to eye, that makes for interesting internal low level conflict and hence RP. That's the way we're planning on doing it in Winya btw, organising the larger group into smaller factions within the bigger group based on ideology.
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Joined: 04 Oct 2005 Location: Nice city, good beer
That's basically done anyway. If you are a Kelemvorite, the EO and all other players automatically involve you in all RP if you contribute positively. the EO is "naturally" just the big center of RP as the "elite divine soldiers" all others trust, respect and admire for their strict duty to the laws of Kelemvor.
Joined: 11 Nov 2006 Location: A Clean, Well-Lighted Place
Actually, I partially tribute EO's success as a faction to their disciplined focus. They have clear goals and a defined place in this world. Too many factions lose themselves in trying to be too much, remain friends with too many or cover too much ground.
EO's keepin' it real!
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Kjetta wrote:
Actually, I partially tribute EO's success as a faction to their disciplined focus. They have clear goals and a defined place in this world. Too many factions lose themselves in trying to be too much, remain friends with too many or cover too much ground.
EO's keepin' it real!
My thoughts exactly. Factions like EO are much easier to keep interesting than many others.
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Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Location: Kohlingen, and a Basement in Canada
Kjetta wrote:
Actually, I partially tribute EO's success as a faction to their disciplined focus. They have clear goals and a defined place in this world. Too many factions lose themselves in trying to be too much, remain friends with too many or cover too much ground.
EO's keepin' it real!
There's a thoroughly destroyed Kelemvorite temple on the main island that'll attest to the virtue of SOME diplomacy and positive contacts.
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Grymia wrote:
Kjetta wrote:
Actually, I partially tribute EO's success as a faction to their disciplined focus. They have clear goals and a defined place in this world. Too many factions lose themselves in trying to be too much, remain friends with too many or cover too much ground.
EO's keepin' it real!
There's a thoroughly destroyed Kelemvorite temple on the main island that'll attest to the virtue of SOME diplomacy and positive contacts.
There was no way out of that one, except perhaps better war plans, but meh.
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Silvarus wrote:
Grymia wrote:
Kjetta wrote:
Actually, I partially tribute EO's success as a faction to their disciplined focus. They have clear goals and a defined place in this world. Too many factions lose themselves in trying to be too much, remain friends with too many or cover too much ground.
EO's keepin' it real!
There's a thoroughly destroyed Kelemvorite temple on the main island that'll attest to the virtue of SOME diplomacy and positive contacts.
There was no way out of that one, except perhaps better war plans, but meh.
We used to do a lot of that softymumbojumbo; comforting, preaching about the Afterlife, scaring people to follow gods, explaining how horrible necromancers are, holding burials, etc etc. We did it on a daily basis, really. But alas, the only place we could get enough crowd for that was Cordor.
Well, that was when the Office of Illumination (who had clergy duties) were part of the EO. Now it was removed and fused with regular clergy so they wouldnt overlap with them anymore.
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Grymia wrote:
There's a thoroughly destroyed Kelemvorite temple on the main island that'll attest to the virtue of SOME diplomacy and positive contacts.
No. While the smoldering ruins of the Kelevmorite temple may attest to utter IC failure, it's more than anything a monument over the kind of coolness that the EO's got and most factions on Amia lack.
We want battles, we want drama, we want epic tales. Factions should contribute to that, but most don't. Most remain friends with everybody due to some, I suspect, very human need of getting along.
Diplomacy is easy to RP, it is IC that doesn't go against any OOC grain. People like to be liked, they like to be social, they like to make and remain friends with other people. It is easy to give your character all of the insights you have as a player to see "both sides of the issue", to not judge a character by his skintone or cultural heritage. It is much harder to RP great scenes where characters slam doors in faces of former friends, where bridges are burned and pride and prejudice rule supreme!
I would much rather play in a faction that gets obliberated in grand battles (that could have been avoided if not for cool character flaws) than one that slowly succumbs to boredom caused by good diplomacy.
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Its why I enjoy Khem RP.
Horus Re vs Anhur.
Kelemvor vs Osiris
Hoar vs Anhur.
Luthor vs Ramas.
Tauronemhet vs Gerard
Beken vs Guard Gyasi.
Not a single one of those entities is evil, and yet they are all embroiled in posturing for position. The West versus the Old Empires. Khem is a bloody mess ICly, with plots and counter-plots, propaganda and counter-propaganda. And their is no possible chance of anyone -winning-, and yet the RP continues to roll on. Its beautiful.
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Its not a military war, but more a faith based one. The followers of Osiris dont want to lose their followers to the other faith, which they see as minor and not the true one. The same goes the other direction. They want their influence to rise, not to fall until they seize to exist.
The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
There's a thoroughly destroyed Kelemvorite temple on the main island that'll attest to the virtue of SOME diplomacy and positive contacts.
No. While the smoldering ruins of the Kelevmorite temple may attest to utter IC failure, it's more than anything a monument over the kind of coolness that the EO's got and most factions on Amia lack.
We want battles, we want drama, we want epic tales. Factions should contribute to that, but most don't. Most remain friends with everybody due to some, I suspect, very human need of getting along.
Diplomacy is easy to RP, it is IC that doesn't go against any OOC grain. People like to be liked, they like to be social, they like to make and remain friends with other people. It is easy to give your character all of the insights you have as a player to see "both sides of the issue", to not judge a character by his skintone or cultural heritage. It is much harder to RP great scenes where characters slam doors in faces of former friends, where bridges are burned and pride and prejudice rule supreme!
I would much rather play in a faction that gets obliberated in grand battles (that could have been avoided if not for cool character flaws) than one that slowly succumbs to boredom caused by good diplomacy.
There's also the notion that you don't always have to win.
And that losing, ICly, would be an OOC failure.
That mentality and perspective is shameful, since it holds back so much RP and potential progression, depth and history, which would have otherwise unfolded.
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Phearnun wrote:
Its not a military war, but more a faith based one. The followers of Osiris dont want to lose their followers to the other faith, which they see as minor and not the true one. The same goes the other direction. They want their influence to rise, not to fall until they seize to exist.
Aye. It's a fun, but mostly subtle, rivalry. I dig the obvious tensions that arise when people of the faiths are in the same area.
You'll just wait. At the moment we're bringing back ole' good things, such as the roadblocks and all that hostility. Well, at least I intend to... Either way, be ready to not expect the Kellie Inquisition!
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Oh we're ready.
Been hoping for a EO return.
Payback time XD
Regards,
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You've got to ask the other buggers. I'm most likely not available.
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