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Neso

Posted: Tue, Mar 23 2010, 20:23 PM

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I noticed that Implosion has been modified to have a DC of 3 less on Amia. I think it would be a good idea to add it to the list of modified spells.

MadrikVale

Posted: Tue, Mar 23 2010, 20:27 PM

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Careful, now. *glare*

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TormakSaber

Posted: Tue, Mar 23 2010, 21:21 PM

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More like it was modified to fix a bug, because Bioware for whatever inane reason gave Implosion a +3 DC for literally no reason, and anyone relying on that crutch is a bad, bad person that likes to exploit things.

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762

Posted: Tue, Mar 23 2010, 22:39 PM

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Uh.

There are a LOT of spells that do not work the way they do in PnP. That doesn't make using them a bug exploit.

If it's changed from BioWare, it should be on the modifications page.

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TormakSaber

Posted: Tue, Mar 23 2010, 23:24 PM

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Implosion doesn't have a +3 random Dc in PnP either. You missed my point.

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Neso

Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 2:22 AM

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I don't even understand why there is a need for an argument or points to be made here. It has been established by the NWN community that the +3 DC for Implosion is no bug, but rather an intended change. Why they did it, nobody knows, but it was intended, hence it is no bug, and people are not exploiters. I only asked that it be clarified in the modified spells menu, since that is exactly what it is - a modified spell.

TormakSaber

Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 2:45 AM

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Established by the NWN community? Which community?

The spell is AoE, defeats Death Ward, is a popular Cleric focus school. It does not nee d+3 DC for no reason especially when it goes against the rules for calculating spell DCs. Whoever at bioware coded it into the spell should be slapped with the PHB.

IMO it doesn't need to be listed because it was abugfix. The spell works properly as can be expected with the standard spell DC rules of NWN.

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Iteries

Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 3:05 AM

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TormakSaber wrote:

Established by the NWN community? Which community.

This Bioware NWN community : http://nwn.bioware.com/forums

Not flaming but you asked.

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Neso

Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 3:12 AM

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Why are you so opposed to informing people? There is no harm in it what so ever. The spell was modified from how it originally works in the game, and people should get to know. Or is it just that you want to screw the "exploiters" over and have them find out the hard way? Not very mature.

Seriously, this is a no-brainer. I didn't even expect replies here, I just expected it to be done. I don't see what the big deal is.

blackvswhite

Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 3:15 AM

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the side bar has been/always will be extremely outdated.... give it a few months for the extra bit of text to be copy/pasted over

Yurell

Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 3:26 AM

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http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Implosion

"This spell's DC is increased by +3. Some players consider this a bug, but it seems clear from the spell script that it is an intentional change. "

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TormakSaber

Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 3:50 AM

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According to the calculations for spell DC, it is a bug, an inconsistency, and there is nothing in either the spell description nor the PnP translation that impliees it should recieve a DC boost.

Ergo, bugfix. Consistency for everyone.

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msheeler

Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 4:24 AM

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blackvswhite wrote:

the side bar has been/always will be extremely outdated.... give it a few months for the extra bit of text to be copy/pasted over

I'll second this.. there is a lot that doesn't do what you might normaly expect the NWN game engine to do and won't readily find on the forums. My best advice is to either be willing to experiment, or ask around for advice on the build thread.

For me the saveing grace is now the quarterly rebuild the nice staff here lets us have.... FREE DO-OVERS! just incase you made a mistake, or found that perhaps something else would have made more sence for RP purpose.

Yurell

Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 4:48 AM

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I can't see why it's not added to the sidebar.
It would save threads like this, and it wouldn't exactly hurt. Just a little note edited into one post. There's really no reason to dig one's heels in, considering how easy it is to add the note.

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TormakSaber

Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 4:51 AM

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Talk to Maias then. Last I knew all those rewrites were his job.

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Yurell

Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 4:52 AM

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I thought any DM could edit the post? And can I ask why Maias, when Disco was the one who made the post?

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MadrikVale

Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 5:09 AM

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It doesn't matter. We don't play NWN anyway. We play Amia

Where's the lock button? *searches*

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TormakSaber

Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 5:19 AM

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Yurell wrote:

I thought any DM could edit the post? And can I ask why Maias, when Disco was the one who made the post?

Because, again AFAIK, Maias was the one who volunteered to rewrite them all to add everything and make it up to date.

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Yurell

Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 5:44 AM

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Cheers, I'll PM him.

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Maias227

Posted: Wed, Mar 24 2010, 7:25 AM

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Adding it now and yep I were voulenteered to keep track of the spells and such. And thus pm me if belive any changes are missing and I'll look into it.

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