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At RDD level 4 to 9 you’ll get a –1 penalty to Armor Class; and

At RDD level 10 you’ll get a –2 penalty to Armor Class, 50% Vulnerability to Cold damage, and –4 penalty to Strength.

It means that you are basically loosing all str bonus you got from RDD levels and AC right?

Than what? O.o
Im getting confused.

Basically you get +4 Strength instead of +8, and +1AC instead of +3.

+2 AC.

suxorz

TeroSNS wrote:

suxorz

No. It's called "major balancing."

Lol.

Go learn some basic mathz, Dead!

http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Red_dragon_disciple

here it says:

2nd - dragon abilities (+2 str)
4th - dragon abilities (+2 str)
.....
10th dragon abilities (+4 str)

so 8 str total.

Amia says -4 str on 10th.
Therefore 2 + 2 = 4 - 4 = 0?
Or you are just not getting str bonus at 10th lvl at all?

My math sucks indeed, but not that badly

You're not adding right, it goes like this:
2nd level- +2 Str (No penalties.)
4th level- +2 Str (No penalties.)
10th level- +0 Str (4-4=0)

So, Str is +4.

AC wise, it goes like this:
Levels 1-7: +1 AC (1-4 is +1, then the penalties kick in at the same time as the +2 kicks in, so you stay at +1.)
Level
Levels 8-10: +2 AC (Would have 4 at ten, but the penalties are upped to -2.)

So, a tenth level RDD gets +4 Str, +2 AC, +2 Cha, +2 Int, and +2 Con.

Yeah. Now its understandable. It said only -4 at 10th so i got confused. But now i get it. you get +4 and -4 at the same time. It was strange anyway that at 2nd and 4th lvl you get stronger and than on 10th you loose your strength.

Yes, the progress somewhat sucks though the final result is good.

It means you get +2 STR at 2 and +2 STR at 4 making it the most top heavy prestige class ever.

TormakSaber wrote:

It means you get +2 STR at 2 and +2 STR at 4 making it the most top heavy prestige class ever.

One could argue that SD is just as good, when used "wrong". Such as breaking spells and so on.

Any chance of spreading it more evenly? Like +1 STR at 3, 6, 8 and 10? Same result if yo go the whole way

Disco's said o to me several times already.

Mostly because of the rebuildageddon nightmare it would be.

Yeah, but it would be soooo awesome... I thought of that before, but anything anti-rdd is taken as
"Dont restrict my dragon rp"

Just saying... people likes their dragoniness... or rather pretending to be dragoniness, see there I go again.

TormakSaber wrote:

Disco's said o to me several times already.

Mostly because of the rebuildageddon nightmare it would be.

So rebuilds are really the only thing standing in the way? And I take it there's no way to do the rebuilds gradually (e.g. change what happens for all new DDs, and have a month in which all the old ones can rebuild)?

Old ones, unarchived ones, blah blah blah.

There's a billion of them and it'd really eat into DM's doing anything else than this for probably god knows how long.

Yurell wrote:

TormakSaber wrote:

Disco's said o to me several times already.

Mostly because of the rebuildageddon nightmare it would be.

So rebuilds are really the only thing standing in the way? And I take it there's no way to do the rebuilds gradually (e.g. change what happens for all new DDs, and have a month in which all the old ones can rebuild)?

No, I mean: Changing strength values invalidates characters due to both feats and the method by which the currentlyu RDD changes are applied (via feats. The strength is not actually letoed off.)

Gah! It's now only a matter of time before someone uses 'Rebuildageddon' in a motivator-type poster. Well, that's assuming you can find an image wide enough for all those letters.

I don't see the problem when it's a net STR change of zero, to be honest. Okay, it doesn't give you much of a reward for hitting the big 10, but there isn't any particular penalty either.

If you take more than ten you have yummy bonus epic feats to look forward to just like anyone with more than 10 in a prestige class or more than 20 in a base class.

The problem is all the people with 4 levels and +4 STR suddenly have 2 more STr than they should, or whatever, making them all sorts of invalid with illegal feats.

But once the problem is gone it never has to be worried about again.
It's just unfortunate that it would take so much effort to do.

And boy would it take a LOT of effort.

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