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Is Drider immune to poison on epic lvls or ...? becouse im not immune to poison in drider form. and im not dual wielding spears?

The changes aren't in yet. Only the shifters getting Elemental and Wildshape forms are in so far, unless I am mistaken..

Correct. You will also be using a halberd, not dual spears, due to some unfortunate coding on Bioware's part. Sorry.

Oh okay. Mystery solved.

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Hi, please forgive the bump, but is there any chance we can get an update when this might occur or just some "heres what we are working on at the moment and we estimate there's atleast another 4 years to go", I rather foolishly assumed the update had already gone through only to find out recently that it actually hadn't, if this isn't the case and some changes have indeed gone through, please do slap me whilst you let me know what's changed. And uh, I know "a shifter is never late" so I realise this post might deserve a quick reply like a few before, but I only ask out of enthusiasm.

It is done when it's done. It is actually sitting on a tester server right now. Sorry it took so long. Not much I can do but crack a whip and hope to get a reply.

LordAzack wrote:

Bit overpowered if you ask me.

Indeed, this seems to make the shifter a class that can morph into any possible role, no matter what the situation. This ability, while a really cool thing, does seem highly unbalanced in PvP. Not to forget some of the forms have abilities that no one can get in any way, not even with DCs.

It is likely being tested for balance thoroughly.

Azdrerios wrote:

LordAzack wrote:

Bit overpowered if you ask me.

Indeed, this seems to make the shifter a class that can morph into any possible role, no matter what the situation. This ability, while a really cool thing, does seem highly unbalanced in PvP. Not to forget some of the forms have abilities that no one can get in any way, not even with DCs.

1) You don't even know the stats of each shape...
2) The shifter class is exactly supposed to be able to morph into every possible role, while staying weaker then the specialist (unless they specialize in one shape, but most likely they will still be weaker then a regular build then)
3) if they appear to powerful in pvp (which I doubt) then you can be sure they will be toned down.
4) shifters always had thoose abilities nobody could get even with DC's nothing changes there.
5) nobody stops you from being a shifter or, if that doesnt suit you, from writing a story so good the DM team grants you the polymorph shape for 25DC's (regular cost of a polymorph). Depending on your character this might be nigh impossible but there's always a chance you will blow them away :wink:

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belgianbonzai wrote:

The shifter class is exactly supposed to be able to morph into every possible role, while staying weaker then the specialist (unless they specialize in one shape, but most likely they will still be weaker then a regular build then)

It matters not, the shifter can still morph into any role and pose a chance of beating *anyone* in PvP. Allow me to demonstrate:

Gabros the Wizard/Palemaster is good against melee guys, but lacks the spellcasting expertise of full wizards, meaning he will most likely lose against a pure wizard/sorcerer.

Bob the Fighter/Rogue/WM is good against wizards/sorcerers and neutral against other melee classes, but sucks against Palemasters.

Lady Baga the Sorcerer is good against lower-class spellcasters, a.k.a Palemasters, but sucks against melee dudes that can Dev. Crit. her to death.

Atras the Shifter is neutral against everyone. He has no weaknesses.

It just doesn't add up, at least that's what I think. Every class should have their weakness in PvP.

No Strengths and No Weaknesses. It's only strength is it's ability to adapt, but unlike each of your examples - the Shifter doesn't truly 'win' against anything.

Also - Pure Mage >>>>>> Everyone.

Having taken so long to develope, I am quite sure that the Team has tested it from nearly every angle, from balancing to everything else. Have some faith.

I share the opinion of QPR. Considering the time the DM Team have spent on upgrading the shifter forms, and the shifter as a whole - I'm sure nothing will be overlooked.

I would suggest waiting for the initial release before any rant about balance takes place. Kay people?

Im all for waiting, as a professional QA Tester for Xbox 360 releases, I know what happens when you release something unfinished, I just wanted to get an update since the last one was late Feb.

NAUX wrote:

Im all for waiting, as a professional QA Tester for Xbox 360 releases, I know what happens when you release something unfinished, I just wanted to get an update since the last one was late Feb.

Problem was that I sent an update to Terra but he didnt receive it in his mailbox, so we both kinda were waiting for each other

Yups, when both developers are waiting on the other....

Cory died of old age waiting for this! For shame! :cry:

I know.

Trust me, Cory was the first thing I thought of. Someone go wrangle him down and bring him back.

WHY AREN'T WE LATE?!
this is outrageous accusations! We can be late!
this is stomping of our rights!
We must always be on time!
you know what?
damn it!
damn it all!
I will be late!
muahauhuahuhauhahauhaa!

Aw, man, I need to re-roll a shifter when I've implemented this. <.<

So it's ...it's hpapening? i mean...

ITS GONNA HAPPEN? FINALY?! :OOOO

Edit::*Pees in pants out of excitement*

Communication is key.

TormakSaber wrote:

I know.

Trust me, Cory was the first thing I thought of. Someone go wrangle him down and bring him back.

WHO DARES TO SUMMON THE ALL POWERFUL SKELETOR

also shifter fix and harm potions plx tormak.

!!!!!!

corypx wrote:

TormakSaber wrote:

I know.

Trust me, Cory was the first thing I thought of. Someone go wrangle him down and bring him back.

WHO DARES TO SUMMON THE ALL POWERFUL SKELETOR

also shifter fix and harm potions plx tormak.

WTF?!!

Where have you been, Mighty Skeletor!?

corypx wrote:

TormakSaber wrote:

I know.

Trust me, Cory was the first thing I thought of. Someone go wrangle him down and bring him back.

WHO DARES TO SUMMON THE ALL POWERFUL SKELETOR

also shifter fix and harm potions plx tormak.

Dude, it's totally done as soon as Jehran and Terra integrate it! I swear!

And you won't need harm potions.

corypx wrote:

TormakSaber wrote:

I know.

Trust me, Cory was the first thing I thought of. Someone go wrangle him down and bring him back.

WHO DARES TO SUMMON THE ALL POWERFUL SKELETOR

also shifter fix and harm potions plx tormak.

Ya where are the harm potions?

TeroSNS wrote:

Ya where are the harm potions?

TormakSaber wrote:

And you won't need harm potions.

They are in first grade, where you should have learned to read

corypx wrote:

TormakSaber wrote:

I know.

Trust me, Cory was the first thing I thought of. Someone go wrangle him down and bring him back.

WHO DARES TO SUMMON THE ALL POWERFUL SKELETOR

also shifter fix and harm potions plx tormak.

CORY!!!!!!!!

OMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!!!

We missed you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want mah littel red drahgon!

I am not 100% sure... but I think this thing goes in right now. Jehran will post the update log later.

Disco. I order you to say something epically suitable about this moment. It's the friggin' Shifterfix!

Took a good 8-9 months. That shifter thing was being discussed back when I was a tester. Still... its good to know its not being rushed in its implementation.

He...hehe....hehehe... It's funny because it's true.

Very_Svensk wrote:

Disco. I order you to say something epically suitable about this moment. It's the friggin' Shifterfix!

3D Realms was so impressed by the speed we finished this with that the people involved all got hired to work on their next project

hurray! Its finally here! Time for me to start rolling a shifter.

Shortly.

it is implemented?
done? wat?

IT is done! It's in! EVERY SHIFT IS CREDIT TO TEAM!

Its in, and ready, things might change though if anything seems too broken.

Oh yes, post balancing is bound to happen with this sort of thing, it really is.

well umm... hammer of gods as infinite to lizardman? *cough*

And Illithids had infinite concussion, and dragons had infinite dragon breath and rakshasa had unlimited ice storms before too. What's your point?

OK LOVE THIS!! FINALLY!!!

Just been playing around with it quickly and i noticed that the manticore skin doesnt seem to apply properties from certain items equipped? For example I had healing step equipped. Wyrmlings all got +3 regen while the manticore didnt?

PS: Please please please give the elemental forms some love as well. These changes are so awesome!

EDIT: Keen merges with bow properties? You can have keen bows??

EDIT 2: Wyrmling breath is now way better that dragonshape.

Sooo...How do i make it so the Duration of the spells last a little longer?

http://amiawiki.shatuga.com/index.php/Shifterfix

Crosslink from Announcement.

Click where for what? I've got the link already....
And it's not helping

Very_Svensk wrote:

Sooo...How do i make it so the Duration of the spells last a little longer?

Which one? Very vague. Shifter abilities are based off druid + shifter for caster level, and DC is 10 + 1/2 shifter + wisdom mod.

Blackdragon12121 wrote:

Wyrmlings all got +3 regen while the manticore didnt?
EDIT: Keen merges with bow properties? You can have keen bows??

EDIT 2: Wyrmling breath is now way better that dragonshape.

Answering your things:

1) wyrmlings merge all items; manticore only armor (shield+armor+helmet)
(all shapes now merge weapon, btw)

2) the property doesnt do squat on a bow; so this doesnt matter.

3) it actually is the dragonbreath now.

What about duration? Is it Druid level + Shifter levels combined?

That's part of caster level, so yes.

A Shifter is never late.

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