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Ill want to take Hide, MS, and Tumble, and 1 of choice each lvl no?

I am unsure how much SKillpoints you will have at level 30, My Suggestion is to save up all skillpoints you have untill you hit 30, and 'only' invest in Hide,MS and Tumble, and Prehaps UMD.

The feats you should take in Order are ...

Level 1, Two-Wep-Fighting
level 3 Weapon finesse
Level 6 Ambidexterity
level 9 Dodge
Level 12 Mobility
Level 15 imp-Two-Wep-Fighting
level 18 Weapon.Focus (XXXX)
level 21 Epic.Weapon.Focus (XXXX)
Level 24 Great DEX +1 (So you get a flat 28 at level 30)
Level 27 Epic Dodge
Level 30 (Special) Here you can either take Skill.Focus Hide/Ms, Or Prowress, or Blindfight, or Natural Armor, or anything you seem fit.

So if I take a human or variation of human, how will that affect the feats?
I am willing to take a human if it helps in the long run

I have been looking at the Shadovar subrace for humans. I think that would make an appropriate subrace for this build

I would get this as a Shadovar

Abilities: +1 Dexterity, +1 Intelligence, -2 Constitution, -1 Wisdom;
Feat: Stealthy

I don't need weapon finesse with Weapon Proficiency (rogue) do I? Also UMD allows me to use anything anyways right?

Take whatever subrace suits you. Whatever subrace fits the RP. Don't build the Character around the Build, but instead build around the character.

This is not exactly build related but it's been bugging me for a while and I can't figure it out.

What's the formula for how HP increases with Constitution modifier? As in if I have X base HP, and I have and item that raises my Con mod by 2, what determines how much HP I gain with it equiped.

+2 HP Gives you +1HP Per level, i recon...

The shadowvar fits the RP perfectly to be honestly. It was either that or request a Fey'ri

Dark Immolation wrote:

This is not exactly build related but it's been bugging me for a while and I can't figure it out.

What's the formula for how HP increases with Constitution modifier? As in if I have X base HP, and I have and item that raises my Con mod by 2, what determines how much HP I gain with it equiped.

you get the base health, like 6 for rogue, 10 for fighter, 12 for barb...
then you get your con modifier added on per level

so an item that adds 2 con gives you +1 to your modifier, so +1hp per lvl
so a lvl 30 with a +2 con item gets 30 health, or 60 with a +4 con item

EDIT: and looking back at that spreadsheet... you can't have more than 10 lvls prestige class pre-epic. you have 9rg, 10SD, 1 assassin pre-epic... that assassin level won't be allowed to be taken

blackvswhite wrote:

Dark Immolation wrote:

This is not exactly build related but it's been bugging me for a while and I can't figure it out.

What's the formula for how HP increases with Constitution modifier? As in if I have X base HP, and I have and item that raises my Con mod by 2, what determines how much HP I gain with it equiped.

you get the base health, like 6 for rogue, 10 for fighter, 12 for barb...
then you get your con modifier added on per level

so an item that adds 2 con gives you +1 to your modifier, so +1hp per lvl
so a lvl 30 with a +2 con item gets 30 health, or 60 with a +4 con item

Ah. Right. I don't know why I didn't get it before now, I understood how it works at levelup. I don't know why I was thinking it was something more complicated.

Very_Svensk wrote:

A horribly fun class to play is 10Shadowdancer/10Rogue/10Assassin. You Focus in Dex, and get Imp.Two.Wep.Fighting

You need at least 14 Int, to use all the Assassin's Spells and feats,
You will have access to High end Stealth gear via the Shadowdancer Shop
And your sneaks will stack up with your Death Attacks, Making them 10d6, if i've calculated it...

Also, Each sneak attack will have the chance of Paralyzing the opponent.

You'll get Epic dodge also.

Death attacks only work when the opponent is out of combat, so why would all your sneak attacks paralyze?

Its been altered. So now each sneak have 5% Chance of Paralyzing.

I'm having problems getting Improved Two handed fighting becuase of my base attack I think

I might've misscalculated the Bab, but just take it on a Later stage, At level 18 prehaps. And At level 15 you take Wep.Focus.(XXXX).

Are you doing that spreadsheet with Excel?

Use this: http://nwvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Ot ... ail&id=856

It works everything out for you.

Granted, not Amia specific changes like HiPS @ 6, but BAB and when you qualify for feats and PrCs and such and such.

Dark Immolation wrote:

EDIT: and looking back at that spreadsheet... you can't have more than 10 lvls prestige class pre-epic. you have 9rg, 10SD, 1 assassin pre-epic... that assassin level won't be allowed to be taken

Yes it will. Test it yourself.

Allright... this is what I have so far lol. I'm not sure what feat to pick where the ??? is

Very_Svensk wrote:

Dark Immolation wrote:

EDIT: and looking back at that spreadsheet... you can't have more than 10 lvls prestige class pre-epic. you have 9rg, 10SD, 1 assassin pre-epic... that assassin level won't be allowed to be taken

Yes it will. Test it yourself.

...I said that? >_>

Im not the brightest of birds when it comes to quoting :shock:

I tested it also and the Assassin lvl Took

So what feat should I put in the place of the ??? I shoved in all the feats you listed pre epic but because of factoring in being a human, i have an extra.

Blind Fight, for the sake of overcoming the miss-chance from concealment?

40 is the lvl cap right? What should i do for the remaining 10 lvls?

30 is the level cap.

.... is it 10 in one prestige class? I thought it was 10 total.... that opens up so many possibilities. 0_o

Allright how does this look. I'' throw some more skills in there like Disable trap and Pick lock, search, spot, and lore

Looks like a complete build! One that i'm myself kinda eager to try.

I checked the AB, and the DEX gives you 34AB, and 40AB with Your Wep.Of.Focus and +4 item...

So it's not an impossible solobuild either. Opens up a lot of doors...

Good luck!

Higher attack bonus if you go for 8Rogue/8Shadowdancer/4Assassin at lvl 20? :idea:

blackvswhite wrote:

.... is it 10 in one prestige class? I thought it was 10 total.... that opens up so many possibilities. 0_o

Yep, 10 in one prestige. You can be 7 Ftr/10WM/3DwarvenDefender for instance pre-epic.

Dark Immolation wrote:

blackvswhite wrote:

.... is it 10 in one prestige class? I thought it was 10 total.... that opens up so many possibilities. 0_o

Yep, 10 in one prestige. You can be 7 Ftr/10WM/3DwarvenDefender for instance pre-epic.

so... that means 5rg, 19assassin,6SD is possible?!

So If i rearange my build it goes. 8 Rogue, 8 ShadowDancer, then 10 Assassin, then what? 2 SD then 2 Rogue to finsih it off?

Hrothmus wrote:

So If i rearange my build it goes. 8 Rogue, 8 ShadowDancer, then 10 Assassin, then what? 2 SD then 2 Rogue to finsih it off?

Sounds like a plan.

IMPORTANT: Dont forget to take Crippling strike at your 10:th Rogue level.

Allright So It's close to the last build I posted but now it goes

8 Rogue
8 SD
10 Assassin
2 SD
2 Rogue

I worked the feats around so instead of getting blind fight I get cripling strike at lvl 30
Also how useful is Blind fight? I had to drop that OR my Epic Skil focuse (hide)

blackvswhite wrote:

Dark Immolation wrote:

blackvswhite wrote:

.... is it 10 in one prestige class? I thought it was 10 total.... that opens up so many possibilities. 0_o

Yep, 10 in one prestige. You can be 7 Ftr/10WM/3DwarvenDefender for instance pre-epic.

so... that means 5rg, 19assassin,6SD is possible?!

You can be 5rg/10assassin/5 SD at level 20 just fine. So yes.

AA/RDD/bard or sorc? I am curious if that is possible and how effective it would even be? >.> And well... I am too lazy atm to try to build one so I am using you guys.

Its the cheap way to get Dev Crit with a bow and still have 22 - 26 dex.

The best one i saw was a Wood Elf

8 Bard 18 AA 4 RDD

18 AA from what i recall was fairly important because it gave you another AA epic bonus feat.

That said. . .the cheese is strong in this one.

MoshingChris wrote:

Its the cheap way to get Dev Crit with a bow and still have 22 - 26 dex.

The best one i saw was a Wood Elf

8 Bard 18 AA 4 RDD

18 AA from what i recall was fairly important because it gave you another AA epic bonus feat.

That said. . .the cheese is strong in this one.

Ok... let me rephrase. I want 10 RDD, that is a must. I do not care about Dev Crit because bows rarely crit, even if they add in keen arrows. The whole idea is well >.> Everyone wants the best stats possible but some forget that some builds can be powerful with skillz, such as a Dragon Kin flying up on a roof and shooting at those huge heavy dev critters with a cute little bow.

Dev Crit Throwing Axe <_<

Hmm, sure. Though I have this feeling that I can get more ab/range with a bow? I may be mistaken since I will not be taking as many AA levels as most.

Maverick00053 wrote:

Hmm, sure. Though I have this feeling that I can get more ab/range with a bow? I may be mistaken since I will not be taking as many AA levels as most.

19 Paladin 1 Sorc 10 RDD with throwing axes would work.

For what you want.

9 Bard 10 RDD 11 AA with complete ability point investment in Dex.

However your going to be severely dissapointed because as soon as you fly up onto a roof, anyone your pvping or pvming will be right up against the wall or running away.

Its just not that good other than for escape and you use up so many levels uselessly.

MoshingChris wrote:

Maverick00053 wrote:

Hmm, sure. Though I have this feeling that I can get more ab/range with a bow? I may be mistaken since I will not be taking as many AA levels as most.

19 Paladin 1 Sorc 10 RDD with throwing axes would work.

For what you want.

9 Bard 10 RDD 11 AA with complete ability point investment in Dex.

However your going to be severely dissapointed because as soon as you fly up onto a roof, anyone your pvping or pvming will be right up against the wall or running away.

Its just not that good other than for escape and you use up so many levels uselessly.

Hmm. What would be my ab/dam if I went just a standard AA build compared to teh Bard/RDD/AA. RDD/AA would have more str for might, though if I do ever decide to go through with it the char would be for Rp mostly but he would be able to defend a spot on a cliff

Forcing the enemy to run away or deal with him.

AB well. . .

The stock fighter/bard/AA gets

24 BAB + 3 WF/EWF + 1 prowess + 14 Mod + 9 Arrow Enhancment + 4 on weapon AB + 16 truestrike. . .so possibly around 71 of the top attack -2 for rapid shot

The one i posted is

21 BAB + 3 WF/EWF + 14 Mod + 6 enhancement + 20 AB cap (truestrike) so around 64 with truestrike.

Number one will run 51 AB comfortably

Number two will run 44 AB comfortably

Damage well. . .

Number 1 will have Epic Weapon Spec for 6 more damage + 3 more arrow enhancment = 9 damage per hit more. Thats alot of damage fyi.

Number 1 will also have buckets more feats, better fort save and is far far more versatile.

Number 2 will net more skill points, increased Con, Str, Int, Cha and wings.

*Removes Moshing's powerbuilding badge for using True Strike in AB calculations.*

Hrothmus wrote:

So If i rearange my build it goes. 8 Rogue, 8 ShadowDancer, then 10 Assassin, then what? 2 SD then 2 Rogue to finsih it off?

split it up different.
Start your SD's asap for HIPS.
Switch your epics around so you get SD10 at 27 which will allow you to take Epic Dodge. then finish your assassin and rogue levels.

Mr Mago wrote:

*Removes Moshing's powerbuilding badge for using True Strike in AB calculations.*

So sad, but alas it's very effective from a range.

problem about that assassin build like many assassin builds is it lacks feats, ab and spot. and that death attack is still stopped by freedom? The best assassin is not an assassin.. it will always be such.. but if you must.. you should have spot in there.. but don't be upset if you find yourself missing even while flat footed. Unless it is a pve build.. then assassin is alright =p

Mr Mago wrote:

*Removes Moshing's powerbuilding badge for using True Strike in AB calculations.*

*Takes it back*

Sorry mate

Quote:

Number one will run 51 AB comfortably

Number two will run 44 AB comfortably

I always add truestrike into calculations for AA's, called shot just screams like a whore for it.

Okay, I stuffed up with Talana's build, but I worked out how to fix it.

Apparently, you can't just take levels of Rogue + SD how you'd like.
I took them in sequence pre-epic as follows: 4Rogue/4Fighter/10SD/2rogue. Weirdly enough, this gave me 15BAB.

I then tried in a build module the following sequence: 4rogue/4fighter/8SD/4rogue.

The result was: 16BAB and thus, the fourth attack came into affect.

The other big concern I've been having is, there just aren't any good Scimitar's on Amia (she has been a str based rogue). They're fine if you can self buff GMW on them, but for the rogue, they're hopeless.

Finally, other than Shadow Legion Armour (+4AC, +5 Hide) there's just no good Leather Armours (AC2, +6Dex based) on Amia either.

The whole business made me think, "I'm just going to have to rebuild her".

The Build I've got now, gives her Crippling STrike, HIPS, Dev. Crit, 6 attacks per round, 7 with haste (if I took the levels in the right order above), criticals on 12 to 20, Weapon Specialisation and a raft of other cool funky stuff, 68+ hide, 55+ Sneak (heading to high 80s, 90s when completed) and trap setting. +7D6 to 8D6 Sneaks.

But her AB sucks eggs, like most rogues I guess.

I've got a choice of either sticking with a Str. Based melee rogue OR, moving to a more Dex based missle weapon rogue.

So I was thinking either: Rapier or Crossbow (or maybe shortbow) as a starting concept, then either go with current Str based build (with rapier) or go Dex Based for a HIPSing Crossbow specialist Assassin (love the bolts around in game).

I've played Cornersneaks (Elithiel is one) and love em to bits. However, there's no getting away from the SD store (its niiiiice) + shadow jump feature.

Anyone know of a good X-bow/shortbow build for an Assassin type character, that includes HIPS? The object, will be to paralyze victims/stun/incapacitate/disable/poison from stealth, remember that you can mighty mythal any weapon, so main thing one loses by going X-bow, is Rapid Reload, but that's not so necessary, when your main thing is HIPS spamming sneak attacks from range to take out your prey (not to mention that crossbow has a better critical range for massive crits 2d6 + Str bonus from Mighty).

Some of the bolts around, do nice damage (equal to an AA's arrows in some cases), specialist type damage (DC18 death to Animals), and I'd also be looking to DC some special bolts with Stun 18 type effects amongst other things.

I could always just stick with the great build I've got, buuut, I hate rapier and scimmy....they're dull.

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