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Murex
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Thanks, Leggomi. 
One more thing, I can't find any page or thread that tells you how to do a character rebuild. Can someone throw me a link or something?
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Murex
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 4:34 AM |
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Ah, it's right in from of my face, just as I thought. 
Uh...nevermind. 
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Tacka
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 11:06 AM |
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I dismissed the last bard build for it's plainness and came up with wee bit exotic one.
My question:
What's better? 10 RDD (instead of 4) and 6 less bard levels which would provide me with the following: +2CHA; +2CON; +1AC; +2INT
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4 RDD levels and 6 more bard levels. Which would give me more spells and bard song uses per day, somewhat longer spell durations as well as it would make me less dispellable.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 11:13 AM |
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Do you mean 20/10 or 26/4?
Both will bag you Lasting Inspiration. I'd go for 20/10 for coolness (relatively speaking; RDDs are never cool). Means you can get 18 Charisma too. Bard song will not be as good, but you'd be a piss poor RDD with just 4 levels. Both will rock, because anything with 20 bard rocks.
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Tacka
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 11:32 AM |
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IronAngel wrote: Do you mean 20/10 or 26/4?
Both will bag you Lasting Inspiration. I'd go for 20/10 for coolness (relatively speaking; RDDs are never cool). Means you can get 18 Charisma too. Bard song will not be as good, but you'd be a piss poor RDD with just 4 levels. Both will rock, because anything with 20 bard rocks.
No, the first case would be 10RDD/16Bard/4BG, and the second one - 22Bard/4RDD/4BG. Charisma/STR based >.>
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jafman30
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 14:09 PM |
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If you are going the monk route, 20monk/1sorc/9RDD Str based, I can totally give my input. Their damage is definitely up there, and their ac is sub-par, or atleast mine is. I bet every single one of you builders out there could fix up my inventory so that I was practically a god.. You get the picture. My ab is decent; level 21 and have a fully buffed low 30's ab. I am a potion chugger, so my 40 ac is only hit once I've drank a panther's swiftness and a owl's insight.
So.. Yeah.
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Dakotaen
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 14:18 PM |
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Location: Denmark
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Tacka wrote: IronAngel wrote: Do you mean 20/10 or 26/4?
Both will bag you Lasting Inspiration. I'd go for 20/10 for coolness (relatively speaking; RDDs are never cool). Means you can get 18 Charisma too. Bard song will not be as good, but you'd be a piss poor RDD with just 4 levels. Both will rock, because anything with 20 bard rocks. No, the first case would be 10RDD/16Bard/4BG, and the second one - 22Bard/4RDD/4BG. Charisma/STR based >.> X/X/4 RDD is disgusting. No really, it is. And if you want that kind of cheese (until hopefully someday the Team re-arranges the Strength bonuses), you may as well go Bard 20/RDD 4/SD 6 and do the whole HiPS-Dev thing.
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 14:32 PM |
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Joined: 19 Oct 2008
Location: UK
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Looking to make a -good- PvM Human Female Blademaster, I would have liked her using a Katana or perhpas long sword, bu definetly not a rpaier thankyou so very much.
Obviously this meant looking at the Weapon Master Prestige class but I am pretty hopeless at multi-classing so any advice folks?
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IronAngel
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 14:34 PM |
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Location: Helsinki, Finland
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I don't see the point of 4 BG: the saves are going to be capped at 1/level soon, and it might happen to Divine Might and Divine Shield too.
So neither of your options is good. 4 RDD is lame, while 16 bard means your song lasts 10% of what it would with Lasting Inspiration.
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Tacka
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 14:42 PM |
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IronAngel wrote: I don't see the point of 4 BG: the saves are going to be capped at 1/level soon, and it might happen to Divine Might and Divine Shield too.
So neither of your options is good. 4 RDD is lame, while 16 bard means your song lasts 10% of what it would with Lasting Inspiration.
wat
Divine might/shield is getting nerfed? Ew. Still, saves aren't the point of taking BG levels.
By the way, I still can get lasting inspiration with 16 bard. All I need is 25 ranks in preform, not an epic bard. Only an epic character. So Bard song will have a decent duration.
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Yurell
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 14:44 PM |
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Location: ANU, behind the coffee mug (+10 GMT)
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Tacka wrote: IronAngel wrote: I don't see the point of 4 BG: the saves are going to be capped at 1/level soon, and it might happen to Divine Might and Divine Shield too.
So neither of your options is good. 4 RDD is lame, while 16 bard means your song lasts 10% of what it would with Lasting Inspiration. wat Divine might/shield is getting nerfed? Ew. By the way, I still can get lasting inspiration with 16 bard. All I need is 25 ranks in preform, not an epic bard. Only an epic character. So Bard song will have a decent duration. I thought you needed 20 levels of bard? http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Lasting_inspirationQuote: The bard song requirement is specifically the level 20 bard song feat, so this feat cannot be taken with fewer bard levels (but can be taken at bard level 20).
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-Cloak-and-Dagger-
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 14:45 PM |
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Joined: 09 Feb 2009
Location: England
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Lasting Inspiration needs 20 Bard.
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Tacka
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 14:50 PM |
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-Cloak-and-Dagger- wrote: Lasting Inspiration needs 20 Bard.
Must have misread it. That sets it then. 4 RDD levels ^^
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 14:56 PM |
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Joined: 19 Oct 2008
Location: UK
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Oh and additional info I DO NOT WANT Devastating Critical anywhere in the build.
Currently advised by a good friend 16 WM / 13 Fighter / 1 Rogue
Str based
The real thing is which weapon to focus in. Katana's are all but useless here. Scimitars are just so overused. Rapier out of the question. Which leaves me with Longsword or perhaps Two Handed Sword. Or astard sword if I took the exotic feat early on?
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bluntpencil2001
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 14:58 PM |
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Location: Scotland
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Athyonn Ursidae wrote: Oh and additional info I DO NOT WANT Devastating Critical anywhere in the build.
Currently advised by a good friend 16 WM / 13 Fighter / 1 Rogue
Str based
The real thing is which weapon to focus in. Katana's are all but useless here. Scimitars are just so overused. Rapier out of the question. Which leaves me with Longsword or perhaps Two Handed Sword. Or astard sword if I took the exotic feat early on?
No point in an odd number of fighter levels.
12 Fighter/16 WM/2 Rogue would be better, getting more skills and Evasion, for very little (4hp) lost. You don't even lose BAB with this. I would advise, for maximum power, if twinky, to take both level 1 as Rogue, and level 30. The first, for extra skills, the last for Tumble dumping.
Taking the last 2 fighter levels once Epic might be a good idea, so that Fighter only Epic feats can be accessed, such as Epic Weapon Spec.
As for weapons, halberds are cool. 
Also, what race?
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:06 PM |
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Location: UK
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Sword not halberd, but yeah your right about the rest thankyou _________________ Siggy by Maryn
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bluntpencil2001
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:09 PM |
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Location: Scotland
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Just noticed, if you take Rogue at level one, you may lose 1 BAB compared to taking both Rogue levels at Epic level.
I would say the 24+ skill ranks are worth it.
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:14 PM |
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Location: UK
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So looking at Human, female, wm16/fighter12/rogue2
Starting feats over the first half dozen levels or so for the wm levels.
Not sure what ability to major in for her epic feats though. Str, dex or con
Str for overwhelmig critical which I thik needs str 23
Dex for improved whirlwind and or blinding speed
Con for Damage reduction
*shrugs*
Any thoughts?
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:15 PM |
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Location: UK
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And yes both rogue levels would need to be up at epic.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:17 PM |
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Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Strength, of course. It gives you AB and Damage, and that's what you're about. If you want DR, pick a different class. If you want a Dex base and Improved Whirlwind (you do realize Blinding Speed is useless), you probably ought to go for a finesse weapon anyhow.
You'll want as much Strength as you can get, and Improved Power Attack, probably. Focus on what you're best at: getting as much AB and damage as possible.
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:18 PM |
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Location: UK
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*is a useless builder and needs to be led by the hand in these things*
Strength it is then. _________________ Siggy by Maryn
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:20 PM |
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Location: UK
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Any particular sword weapon that would work better for its critical threat range?
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IronAngel
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:22 PM |
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Location: Helsinki, Finland
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I haven't built one in ages, so I'm not sure how many feats you have to spare. Try to get Improved Critical, Blind Fight, Improved Power Attack, Epic Weapon Specialization, Armor Skin and Epic Prowess if you can. Overwhelming Critical is good enough, even if you don't go for Dev.
I like two-handers. Damage is always good. But truthfully, you'd be better off with a one-hander and shield. Scimitar is obviously the best one, if it has to be a sword. Not sure you can spare the feats for Exotic Prof, so longsword is the only other option. Obviously, bastard/katana is slightly better than the longsword.
Personally, I'd go for a x3 weapon, but there are no such swords.
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:23 PM |
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Location: UK
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Dev is a no go, my principles are important to me
Just working on the feat list now. _________________ Siggy by Maryn
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:26 PM |
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Location: Awarded most Confused Git of 2014!
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I think the "handaxe" (Small one) Has 3x ration... but somebody else need to confirm this.
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Mobile_Svensk
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:28 PM |
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IronAngel
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:29 PM |
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Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Yes, and it's a lovely weapon. A dual-wielding WM/Rogue with that thing is vicious. It's not a sword though.
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:30 PM |
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Nope, I still really want her to have a sword. _________________ Siggy by Maryn
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:30 PM |
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Location: UK
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I should rbuild Belladonna as a WM / Rogue *shifty eyes*
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bluntpencil2001
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:33 PM |
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Location: Scotland
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Nought wrong with the longsword, in my opinion.
What deity does the character follow, and which race? This could help pick a weapon.
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:34 PM |
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Location: UK
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Sure I put it above as human somewheres... havent settled on a deity yet. But she sure as hell aint going to be evil _________________ Siggy by Maryn
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bluntpencil2001
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:36 PM |
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Athyonn Ursidae wrote: Sure I put it above as human somewheres... havent settled on a deity yet. But she sure as hell aint going to be evil A good weapon to pick may be the deity's favoured weapon, then, if you can't decide. If it's a crappy weapon like a mace, nought wrong with longsword, scimitar or even greatsword.
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:36 PM |
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Location: UK
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For pre epic feats I have:
Dodge, Mobility, Expertise, Spring Attack, Whirlwind, Blindfight, Cleave, Imrpoved Critical, WF, Weapon Prowess, Knockdown, Improved Knock down, Weapon Specilisation.
Anything obvious I am missing?
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bluntpencil2001
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:39 PM |
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Athyonn Ursidae wrote: For pre epic feats I have:
Dodge, Mobility, Expertise, Spring Attack, Whirlwind, Blindfight, Cleave, Greater Cleave, Imrpoved Critical, WF, Weapon Prowess
Anything obvious I am missing?
Great Cleave is a waste of a feat, IMO... if you're fighting opponents weak enough for multiple enemies to be cleaved in a round, you don't need the likes of this. Against multiple tough enemies, or lone tough enemies, it's useless. Against weak enemies, you'll kill them anyway, especially with whirlwind.
Weapon Specialization and such might be handy, though, and perfect RP for a WM. Knockdown and Improved Knockdown are great for STR builds. I wouldn't knock Called Shot either, but it isn't brilliant.
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:43 PM |
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Location: UK
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As for her deity... it should be good aligned as she is. Preferably warrior esque... but not overly militant would be nice.
Of course for a longsword then Tyr comes to mind.
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bluntpencil2001
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:44 PM |
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Athyonn Ursidae wrote: As for her deity... it should be good aligned as she is. Preferably warrior esque... but not overly militant would be nice.
If you're unsure of deity, it may be a good idea to take no deity, but go looking for one in-character... but this is slightly deviating from build, even if it helps select a weapon.
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 15:47 PM |
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Actually the more I think about it the more Tyr works.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 16:10 PM |
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If she's a native Amian, you might want to check out saint Nabessa. Not as a patron, but as patron saint. You can find her story in the Library topic.
Anyway... Great Cleave fixes Cleave, which doesn't always work because it hits a dead opponent in the same flurry. It's generally worth it. Besides, it's a pre-req for Overwhelming Critical.
I don't know what Weapon Prowess is? You must mean Power Attack, because you need that to get Cleave.
I'd do Dodge, Mobility, Spring Attack, Whirlwind Attack, Expertise, Blindfight, Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Improved Criticial, Weapon Focus, KD, IKD.
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Athyonn Ursidae
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 16:26 PM |
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Location: UK
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Weapon Prowess was my double typo... sorry lol
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Yannickbl
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 16:28 PM |
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Location: Ghent, Belgium
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Ftr/WM/CoT
No need to keep going fighter after you can go WM/CoT >.>
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IronAngel
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 16:29 PM |
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Well, you'd be nuts not to take Rogue for +3 AC.
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Dakotaen
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 16:32 PM |
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IronAngel wrote: I don't see the point of 4 BG: the saves are going to be capped at 1/level soon, and it might happen to Divine Might and Divine Shield too.
Aura of Despair on a DC 40+ Dev critter.
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Maverick00053
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 16:32 PM |
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Dakotaen wrote: Tacka wrote: IronAngel wrote: Do you mean 20/10 or 26/4?
Both will bag you Lasting Inspiration. I'd go for 20/10 for coolness (relatively speaking; RDDs are never cool). Means you can get 18 Charisma too. Bard song will not be as good, but you'd be a piss poor RDD with just 4 levels. Both will rock, because anything with 20 bard rocks. No, the first case would be 10RDD/16Bard/4BG, and the second one - 22Bard/4RDD/4BG. Charisma/STR based >.> X/X/4 RDD is disgusting. No really, it is. And if you want that kind of cheese (until hopefully someday the Team re-arranges the Strength bonuses), you may as well go Bard 20/RDD 4/SD 6 and do the whole HiPS-Dev thing. I agree, 4 RDD makes me cry. I have a general rule to always take all ten levels when I use RDD... why would your character stop halfway in unlocking his blood? Did he get bored or something... just doesnt add up to me.
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Dakotaen
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 16:36 PM |
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Location: Denmark
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I took 9 on Eir because I needed a feat, and I'm considering using a free rebuild to change that alone.
Oh, and 4 BG pre-epic also nets a bard the 4th attack that's oh so lovely. (Addendum to my former post.)
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tundrawalker1
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 17:56 PM |
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Location: Eastern Canada
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Any of you guys try a Character Builder program? I am interested to know if there are good builders out there that one can tinker with in order to get a build they like. Cheers!
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Maverick00053
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 17:57 PM |
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There was a module someone released a while back set up for Amia where you could log into it and lvl up to 30 and play around. I forget who made it and where you could get it, I currently still have it with the rest of my mods.
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Dakotaen
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Posted: Mon, Jan 04 2010, 17:59 PM |
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Location: Denmark
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I use a mod made for CEP 2.0 that let's you level and get the standard equipment. For special races I use those code thingies that I can't remember how go. <.<
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Posted: Tue, Jan 05 2010, 3:22 AM |
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Athyonn Ursidae wrote: Any particular sword weapon that would work better for its critical threat range? Slap a Greatsword on a 11Fighter/19WM! Soloing is overrated anyways so go ahead and be bold. Be the best friend of every caster. tundrawalker1 wrote: Any of you guys try a Character Builder program? I am interested to know if there are good builders out there that one can tinker with in order to get a build they like. Cheers!
http://nwvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Ot ... ail&id=856
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Tue, Jan 05 2010, 5:55 AM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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^Ticket 11th level of fighter grants you nothing! Take 1 level of rogue instead to get the nummy tumble ac?
_________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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XenophobicEladrin
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Posted: Tue, Jan 05 2010, 6:24 AM |
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Joined: 01 Jan 2010
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the 11th fighter is for EWS.
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