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Pirate_Zeritul wrote:

Maybe that was pre-split I'm not sure I've been around way too long

Wow! Pirate_Zeritul! You are aaaancient! Welcome back!

Nekhy wrote:

Pirate_Zeritul wrote:

A note on distributing DC's. Way back there were people that were selected as trust worthy and given the ability to hand DC's out to others when a DM wasn't around. Also DM's player side could reward DC's as well with the tool. Was this removed due to abuse or just a rise in the number of DMs? Seems like it would help fill any holes in the DM coverage, if players could be found of course. Just a thought.

I don't think this was ever actually implemented. It was in the talks, but discarded eventually. At least it's never been that way during the 4 years I've been a DM here.

I actually had a thought about this not too long ago which I discussed the pro's and cons of with a member of the team.

The idea being, players who have been propersitioned with being a DM, but did not want too or could not take the role would be able to grant DC's. However these players would be anonymous to the playerbase.

This would be done by a having these players merely sending in reports of great RP they witnessed, maybe a screeny or two and the team then debating if the players involved deserved a DC. Of course these players would not be allowed to let any players know of there role, and the DM team would have to keep an eye on the players submitting the same names over and over again.

Course there are pro's and cons but perhaps the method could be adapted.

Tiered DM system has always been met with a stone wall of opposition among the staff. And you can't really blame us, if you look at it from our point of view: semi-DMs with the good bits of being a DM at their disposal, but none of the crap the rest of us have to endure in order to enjoy the same benefits.

It's been like, you either sell your soul or you don't. There is no getting around it.

Nekhy wrote:

Tiered DM system has always been met with a stone wall of opposition among the staff. And you can't really blame us, if you look at it from our point of view: semi-DMs with the good bits of being a DM at their disposal, but none of the crap the rest of us have to endure in order to enjoy the same benefits.

It's been like, you either sell your soul or you don't. There is no getting around it.

lol I can see your point of view, I merely saw this as the same as the SJ widget screenshots, but without masses of players spamming them in. These would still be players at the end of the day without access to the client.

The old player reward system was thus.

Orbs of Destiny. Ingame items that could be turned in for custom items/summons/skins/characters. The epic dungeon had one per reset (epic being the Manor and max CL was 20 at the time.) They were also occassionally hidden like easter eggs by the head DM.

It was kind of a dumb system and routine raiders basically got EVEREH THIN!

That being said, I can tell everyone as a somewhat bitter ex-member of the DM team that they do a VERY good job policing themselves. Probably the key talent of Tormak is sniffing out cheaters amongst the team itself. Two were caught and tossed out.

Do DM's deserve a reward system? Yes. Should DM's be able to play PC's? FREAK YEAH. I forgot the exact wording but one DM was released or encouraged to be released from the team for NEVER playing a PC. They were out of touch with the player base.

What does need to happen? A bit of a evening out between the amount of DC's players recieved, and how many the DM's have recieved, considering Players have to pay for thier own rebuilds as well. That's a 30 DC cost, and I haven't heard of anyone that has recieved 30 DC's within the span of 6 months.

Halen_Van wrote:

I haven't heard of anyone that has recieved 30 DC's within the span of 6 months.

It has happened. But it's very, very uncommon.

I congratutlate that player then.

Blargh, the orbs of destiny were terrible... the same people every reset got together every reset, rushed Kraven, killed him, and prayed for an orb. They got everything, all the time.

Yes, we get free rebuilds.

IronAngel wrote:

Dream Coins didn't exist pre-Amia, as far as I understand? I do remember it being talked about, but it was indeed discarded. Some.. 3 years ago?

DMs can still give DCs playerside. Often we choose not to, because that might make players flock to us and react to our PCs differently. I prefer to remain anonymous playerside, when I'm dealing with new people. Instead, I holler on the DM channel to get someone else give them on my behalf, if anyone's online but not watching.

DCs did not exist pre-Amia: They came about as a product of the original DM team wanting a token of some sort to reward people with that wasn't just XP. The original concept, was that these tokens could be used to get certain things kind of like they are now but didn't have the nifty Gold/Xp exchange until later.

Ironically, the DC was the token iconically linked to myself, that became the standardized one when people decided a singular item would be better.

(This was before the purses and when they were actually an item)

...Free rebuilds and an ongoing income of DC's...hate to say it, but that's a little unfair. Don't you think Free Rebuilds would be enough of a reward? It's 30 DC's a rebuild after all, which certaintly would make up for the DC's being missed out on.

Look, that seem's unfair. It really does.

It's not always "30 DCs a rebuild", it depends on what the rebuild is.

Mind that removing DCs also means: No items, no burning them for XP/GP, no summon reskins, no skin changes, back in the day it would have meant no bio changes, no portrait changes, no voiceset changes, no wings, no tails, no rebuilds.

I am not advocating a raise or a demotion in any sort of payscale, simply saying that DCs are the currency of the request on Amia, so in effect you are asking that DMs sink many many more hours into the server while being penalized for doing so, should you make DMs "DM For Free".

Well here's the thing. When every DM took the job originally they had no idea about the fringe benefits right? So it's kinda like why do they need it?

That being said, it's clear that dispite my opinion on the matter it's a bit of a dramatic change from the current system. However, I do think getting free rebuilds on top of an incoming DC rate is a bit much. If your getting DC's for spending time DMing, why not spend them on a rebuild?

Seem's a little unfair if you ask me. Espically since personally I've made mistakes with every single character build, and if I could I'd love to be able to rebuild them for free to correct that mistake. But I'll never have enough DCs to ever rebuild even one character I own.

I'm the kinda person who hates unbalanced systems and unfairness, and while I can see the merit now of being rewarded DC's, I don't see why rebuilds for free should also be a perk. It does seem to go just that bit to far.

the way I look at it is DMs should get payed in DCs but not get freebuilds(side note I would take dragonform feat just to have a big paw to slap anyone for paying DCs for exp.....)

I get why DMs would get DCs for being DM side but why on earth would the staff get freerebuilds, can someone tell me the logic on that one.

My guess towards the free rebuilds (this was looong before I became a DM, so I dunno the original reasoning), is simply because self-rebuilds are free (but require levelling), and the Adminstration at that time thought it best that they not waste even more time PCside by just relevelling their characters the hard way.

That sounds about right WonWon..

corypx wrote:

I get why DMs would get DCs for being DM side but why on earth would the staff get freerebuilds, can someone tell me the logic on that one.

If DM PCs are equal to Player PCS, then why not pay in DCs like everyone else?
They already get more DCs then anyone else.

How much DMs are paid means nothing to me. Does not affect my RP in anyway. Just try to be more generous to the playerbase.
I'd like it if every DM could run at least one public event a month.

Nekhy wrote:

If one doesn't feel like emoting attacks, one can easily do some other RP while bashing monsters. What that RP is, is really quite irrelevant, as I said "at the very least emote attacks".

Think of all that energy you've wasted coming back from the dead never gets old. But I never have room to put it on hotkey.

WonWon wrote:

My guess towards the free rebuilds (this was looong before I became a DM, so I dunno the original reasoning), is simply because self-rebuilds are free (but require levelling), and the Adminstration at that time thought it best that they not waste even more time PCside by just relevelling their characters the hard way.

Correct. Pre my DM time, the DM team was simply allowed to give themselves levels at a rate that was "reasonable". This was eliminated for obvious reasons. We all now level up just like you guys, as we should, IMO.

yeah thats kind stupid if your geting payed DCs and you dont have to pay for rebuild also seeing how the staff effect changes on spells/feats and classes over all.

lets nerf/buff _______ a quickfree rebuild later and no harm no foul to them, but players on the other hand not much.

That situation has not occured on Amia to the best of my knowledge.

None the less, if you get the DC's, and likely more then the average player, you should have to spend it on rebuilds, like every other player. I'm completely 100% against free rebuilds for only one particular area of the playerbase, DM or not. Either give it to everyone, or don't have it at all.

Dramatic_Prince wrote:

corypx wrote:

I get why DMs would get DCs for being DM side but why on earth would the staff get freerebuilds, can someone tell me the logic on that one.

If DM PCs are equal to Player PCS, then why not pay in DCs like everyone else?
They already get more DCs then anyone else.

How much DMs are paid means nothing to me. Does not affect my RP in anyway. Just try to be more generous to the playerbase.
I'd like it if every DM could run at least one public event a month.

Would you rather the DMs spend 50 hours on the DM client or 50 hours grinding?

Selvec Darkon wrote:

None the less, if you get the DC's, and likely more then the average player, you should have to spend it on rebuilds, like every other player. I'm completely 100% against free rebuilds for only one particular area of the playerbase, DM or not. Either give it to everyone, or don't have it at all.

Other players don't do their own administrative work, though.

Yurell wrote:

Selvec Darkon wrote:

None the less, if you get the DC's, and likely more then the average player, you should have to spend it on rebuilds, like every other player. I'm completely 100% against free rebuilds for only one particular area of the playerbase, DM or not. Either give it to everyone, or don't have it at all.

Other players don't do their own administrative work, though.

Sure I understand that, and that's what the DC's are for. The rebuilds on the other hand have no basis.

Selvec Darkon wrote:

Yurell wrote:

Selvec Darkon wrote:

None the less, if you get the DC's, and likely more then the average player, you should have to spend it on rebuilds, like every other player. I'm completely 100% against free rebuilds for only one particular area of the playerbase, DM or not. Either give it to everyone, or don't have it at all.

Other players don't do their own administrative work, though.

Sure I understand that, and that's what the DC's are for. The rebuilds on the other hand have no basis.

Who does your rebuild, and who does their rebuild? That's the point I'm trying to make.

Yurell wrote:

Selvec Darkon wrote:

Yurell wrote:

Selvec Darkon wrote:

None the less, if you get the DC's, and likely more then the average player, you should have to spend it on rebuilds, like every other player. I'm completely 100% against free rebuilds for only one particular area of the playerbase, DM or not. Either give it to everyone, or don't have it at all.

Other players don't do their own administrative work, though.

Sure I understand that, and that's what the DC's are for. The rebuilds on the other hand have no basis.

Who does your rebuild, and who does their rebuild? That's the point I'm trying to make.

And the point I'm trying to make is why do they get it for free and why do I have to pay? They get more DC's then me, why shouldn't they pay as well? So far I've had no real reason why this is the case. If they can rebuild for free, they could just as easily pay the DC's for the rebuild.

It's hard enough to accept DM players as part of the normal Amia universe, but when those same DM's now get free rebuilds as well as an steady payment of DC's and the ability to shape, enforce and create within' the Amia world. It sit's them well apart from normal PC's and put them into their own little special group. Almost like a cliq, and that's not good.

When you pay, you get someone else to rebuild for you. When they do it, they do it themselves.
Secondly, would you rather they spend 50 hours on the DM client or 50 hours grinding for XP? I know which I'd prefer.

Yurell wrote:

Dramatic_Prince wrote:

corypx wrote:

I get why DMs would get DCs for being DM side but why on earth would the staff get freerebuilds, can someone tell me the logic on that one.

If DM PCs are equal to Player PCS, then why not pay in DCs like everyone else?
They already get more DCs then anyone else.

How much DMs are paid means nothing to me. Does not affect my RP in anyway. Just try to be more generous to the playerbase.
I'd like it if every DM could run at least one public event a month.

Would you rather the DMs spend 50 hours on the DM client or 50 hours grinding?

if you use that logic then they could spawn them self epic loot,gold,exp..ect

and I have seens how some DMs spend thier time on the DM client and belive me if they were a player they would far from earning a DC.

And then there are the nights we pull 10 hour marathon shifts.

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And the point I'm trying to make is why do they get it for free and why do I have to pay? They get more DC's then me, why shouldn't they pay as well? So far I've had no real reason why this is the case. If they can rebuild for free, they could just as easily pay the DC's for the rebuild.

The answer is simple, Selvec. There is no reason. Your current DM Team is constantly concerned with all kinds of other matters regarding Amia that we overlook details that aren't as important to us, like DM perks. You have to acknowledge the whole system as what it is - a very organic, piecemeal kind of change over a very long period of time. DM perks were much different a long time ago for an entirely different team, and we thought they were unfair to the players, so we changed them. It was just free rebuilds for a while. Then, later, we implemented the DC system we use now, but just kind of forgot about the whole free rebuild thing. Hell, most of our new DMs don't even realize they get free rebuilds.

Until these things are pointed out to us, we don't always see them because we have our heads turned in a lot of directions and we have our own things to worry about.

If the Head DM wants to remove free rebuilds, I am as indifferent to that as I am to the free DCs. I do not need either DCs or free rebuilds.

What I do want is a playerbase that can agree on what they really do want, a playerbase that will stop ripping me apart when I actively try to do something to fix their perceived problem, a playerbase that makes me feel like I can live in Mago's little dream where DM'ing is its own reward.

That would be the only DM perk I need.

At first I was going to remain silent in what this discussion has turned into, but after reading the past 2 pages or so of the thread, I now feel the need to type out a few words.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but DM's are allowed to have as many PC's as they wish and may run factions (even if they typically don't, there is no rule forbidding it), get free rebuilds, are given DC's for being on the client-side and, most importantly, are allowed to shape the entire cosmos that is Amia?

Those are the pros... let's look at the cons. OOC bitchfests (which are plentiful), flames directed at their ability to do their "job" and even on their personal character, trying to deal with up to 65 people who all want something from them, countless hours doing LETO work, forum work, etc.

They seem rather balanced to me, overall.

What scares me is the distribution of DC's. When WonWon posted how many DC's he earned in 2 years, I almost had to begin wearing a toupee for how much hair I tore out. WonWon has earned roughly ten times the amount of DC's I have and I consider myself to be rather average in my DC earning. WonWon may be that good of an RP'er, I can't say because I've never run across one of his characters. However, I can very easily see how people can cry foul on that.

Yossarin wrote:

What I do want is a playerbase that can agree on what they really do want, a playerbase that will stop ripping me apart when I actively try to do something to fix their perceived problem, a playerbase that makes me feel like I can live in Mago's little dream where DM'ing is its own reward.

That would be the only DM perk I need.

o/~ We can dream, we can dream... o/~

ainjyll wrote:

What scares me is the distribution of DC's. When WonWon posted how many DC's he earned in 2 years, I almost had to begin wearing a toupee for how much hair I tore out. WonWon has earned roughly ten times the amount of DC's I have and I consider myself to be rather average in my DC earning. WonWon may be that good of an RP'er, I can't say because I've never run across one of his characters. However, I can very easily see how people can cry foul on that.

Really? It didn't seem so ridiculous to me ... in my two years I've gotten a comparable amount, and I'm never on for DM events or anything.

I think they're doing a good job and deserve their perks. It hasn't been a problem before now, the system is quite transparent, and I've never even heard of a DM abusing these perks ... and I know if they do they won't be for long, either abusing or a DM.

Edit: Removed number, since I'm not trying to brag and it gets the point across anyway.

Yurell wrote:

ainjyll wrote:

What scares me is the distribution of DC's. When WonWon posted how many DC's he earned in 2 years, I almost had to begin wearing a toupee for how much hair I tore out. WonWon has earned roughly ten times the amount of DC's I have and I consider myself to be rather average in my DC earning. WonWon may be that good of an RP'er, I can't say because I've never run across one of his characters. However, I can very easily see how people can cry foul on that.

Really? It didn't seem so ridiculous to me ... in my two years I've gotten a comparable amount, and I'm never on for DM events or anything.

I think they're doing a good job and deserve their perks. It hasn't been a problem before now, the system is quite transparent, and I've never even heard of a DM abusing these perks ... and I know if they do they won't be for long, either abusing or a DM.

Edit: Removed number, since I'm not trying to brag and it gets the point across anyway.

well DMs give DCs to players based on what they think is good RP so if they dont like your player type you could be RPing your person to the letter and you might never earn a DC, or just time zones so never on when DMs are.

where it sounds like DMs get DCs just for being logged on no matter what they are doing even if its chating in the load in room on B-mia because Amia crash and are waiting to get back on( and not talking 5mins but like 25-30)

corypx wrote:

where it sounds like DMs get DCs just for being logged on no matter what they are doing even if its chating in the load in room on B-mia because Amia crash and are waiting to get back on( and not talking 5mins but like 25-30)

For being logged on as DMs, and Tormak already said that he comes down on anyone that does that.

Okay, so basically DM's are VIP players. They are special, they are better then the rest of us, and they deserve special perks for it? Not to be insulting, but bullshit. Bloody bullshit.

Quite frankly you signed the paper, you took the job and you did all this before knowing the perks. You are being rewarded for it via the DC thing. Still no viable reason why a DM should get free rebuilds, and all the other perks on top.

No Yurell, your reasoning for a DM rebuilding is wrong. A PC PAYS for his rebuild via the DC's, the PC then get's rebuilded by the DM. The PC has already paid, the DM is getting DC's for spending the time rebuilding him as via the automated system. So there is still no viable reason they should then also get to rebuild characters for free. Not when the players still have to pay to do the same thing. None.

To be quite honest, from my point of view this is exactly like the shadowflame debacle with the shop that a few members stubbornly defended for no other reason then they didn't want to lose the perks. From my point of view, it seem's like the only defence for DM's keeping the ability to rebuild for free is that they don't want to lose an unfair and unbalanced perk.

And just to make it clear, I'm not trying to insult any DM or claim that the DM's are being unfair. I simply feel that the system for reward for being a DM is biased and unfair with the rebuilding for free perk avaliable.

Actually a DM has another Dm do thier rebuilds.

Selvec, please remain completely civil, yeah?

It's a damn good thing to be discussed, and I agree you've got a bloody good point, but seeing alot of (censored) labels throughout your posts is going to end up getting things locked.

You'll also find that no DMs are standing up here trying to defend it. I know I'm not - we're just stating reasons as for why things are as they are, or what led to it. Earnestly, I couldn't give a hell about the free-rebuilds - I'm too padantic to not plan out and test every build meticulously before making a character, so...

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And just to make it clear, I'm not trying to insult any DM or claim that the DM's are being unfair

Too late. You did that with your first post.

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To be quite honest, from my point of view this is exactly like the shadowflame debacle with the shop that a few members stubbornly defended for no other reason then they didn't want to lose the perks.

btw, the shadowflame people agreed to move the shop out in the open. You seem to have forgotten that bit.

Selvec Darkon wrote:

Okay, so basically DM's are VIP players. They are special, they are better then the rest of us, and they deserve special perks for it? Not to be insulting, but (censored). Bloody (censored).

Yossarin wrote:

If the Head DM wants to remove free rebuilds, I am as indifferent to that as I am to the free DCs. I do not need either DCs or free rebuilds.

Selvec Darkon wrote:

From my point of view, it seem's like the only defence for DM's keeping the ability to rebuild for free is that they don't want to lose an unfair and unbalanced perk.

Yossarin wrote:

If the Head DM wants to remove free rebuilds, I am as indifferent to that as I am to the free DCs. I do not need either DCs or free rebuilds.

Yeah. I'm clinging to those free rebuilds and those DCs like my life depended on it.

Yurell wrote:

When you pay, you get someone else to rebuild for you. When they do it, they do it themselves.
Secondly, would you rather they spend 50 hours on the DM client or 50 hours grinding for XP? I know which I'd prefer.

You need to start reading, Yurell.

Maias227 wrote:

I became a dm 4'th of June 2009. From that date to the 4'th of October I have played 328 hours of Amia in total. 76,22 % of that was spent in the dm client. In that time I have earned 72 dcs. Which is roughly 0,59 dc a day.

If Maias has earned 72 DCs during the course of 4 months, by the automated DM reward system, then how many DCs do the old DMs have?

I'm not trying to say that there's anything wrong with it, or accusing anyone for not fulfilling their intended role and ambition of DM'ing for the sake of DM'ing.

But... does this mean that DM's like Nekhy, Iron, Ron, Tormak, Disco, Yossarin, Leggomi, Axelo etc... have DCs in the hundreds? Like, several several hundreds?

72 * 3 = 216 DCs.

That's what Maias will earn from his DM'ing this year, if he keeps up the same pace he's had so far (which is unlikely, due to the normal implications of IRL and what have you not).

What kind of bullshit argument are you trying to pull Yurrell, that DMs would have to choose between spending 50 hours on the DM client, and 50 hours grinding?

A DM could spend 50 hours on the DM client, and then spend the DCs he's just earned to gain ~3 levels on his character.

If DMs can get a normal rate of at least 200 DCs per year, automatically, from being on the DM client and doing events/quests/administrative work...

... then why in gods name would they need the extra perk of free rebuilds, when they can already afford 6-7 complete rebuilds per year?

Halen_Van wrote:

Actually a DM has another Dm do thier rebuilds.

Oh, my apologies, didn't realise.

Still, I'd defend the DM's free rebuild. After all, I know if I were a DM I'd do what I do now to DC Rebuilds - say "stuff that for a joke" and do it manually. I don't know how DMs fee about it, but I hate burning DCs for rebuilds, and if they feel similarly it just means time away from the DM client for no benefit to anyone, except for maybe a feeling of 'justice' amongst some members of the playerbase, which may be hollow since the DM is not available to give DCs, run events, get rid of cheaters etc.

Yossarin wrote:

Selvec Darkon wrote:

Okay, so basically DM's are VIP players. They are special, they are better then the rest of us, and they deserve special perks for it? Not to be insulting, but (censored). Bloody (censored).

Yossarin wrote:

If the Head DM wants to remove free rebuilds, I am as indifferent to that as I am to the free DCs. I do not need either DCs or free rebuilds.

Selvec Darkon wrote:

From my point of view, it seem's like the only defence for DM's keeping the ability to rebuild for free is that they don't want to lose an unfair and unbalanced perk.

Yossarin wrote:

If the Head DM wants to remove free rebuilds, I am as indifferent to that as I am to the free DCs. I do not need either DCs or free rebuilds.

Yeah. I'm clinging to those free rebuilds and those DCs like my life depended on it.

I seriously doubt -anyone- in this topic has specifically targetted you, or most of the DMs who have replied, as being DC-whores who only DM for the perks.

For some reason, parts of the DM team are taking certain matters exceedingly personal, when they actually know they really don't have to, since it's not about them, as an individual.

Mr Mago wrote:

Yurell wrote:

When you pay, you get someone else to rebuild for you. When they do it, they do it themselves.
Secondly, would you rather they spend 50 hours on the DM client or 50 hours grinding for XP? I know which I'd prefer.

You need to start reading, Yurell.

Was taht to the first part or the second?
To the first, I was in the process of apologising so fair enough (if it was stated earlier), to the second ... then I've no idea what you're talking about.

Yurell wrote:

Mr Mago wrote:

Yurell wrote:

When you pay, you get someone else to rebuild for you. When they do it, they do it themselves.
Secondly, would you rather they spend 50 hours on the DM client or 50 hours grinding for XP? I know which I'd prefer.

You need to start reading, Yurell.

Was taht to the first part or the second?
To the first, I was in the process of apologising so fair enough (if it was stated earlier), to the second ... then I've no idea what you're talking about.

Try reading the post rather than going fucking analytical self-concerned anal on me.

Mr Mago wrote:

Yossarin wrote:

(Snip)

Yeah. I'm clinging to those free rebuilds and those DCs like my life depended on it.

I seriously doubt -anyone- in this topic has specifically targetted you, or most of the DMs who have replied, as being DC-whores who only DM for the perks.

I'm inclined to agree with Mago for that much.

@Mago; It's likely because alot of us are getting to that stress-point where we're simply wondering why the hell we go out of our way for players, only to be put on the stand or accused as a whole, for what half the time is a problem that exists only between the accuser's ears, and the other half of the time is something they asked us to do.

It tends to rattle nerves, alot, especially when you've been dealing with it for years as some of us have.

Mr Mago wrote:

Yurell wrote:

Mr Mago wrote:

Yurell wrote:

When you pay, you get someone else to rebuild for you. When they do it, they do it themselves.
Secondly, would you rather they spend 50 hours on the DM client or 50 hours grinding for XP? I know which I'd prefer.

You need to start reading, Yurell.

Was taht to the first part or the second?
To the first, I was in the process of apologising so fair enough (if it was stated earlier), to the second ... then I've no idea what you're talking about.

Try reading the post rather than going (censored) analytical self-concerned anal on me.

Again: read what? If you've a problem state what it is rather than making snide attacks.

Whether they have free rebuilds or not doesn't change much. Even the DM's, if they had to self rebuild (Assuming for some reason they didn't have a plethora of DC's to pay for it,) who's to say they would grind and grind and grind until they got to 30? Not likely to change anything of thier playing habits, but I could be wrong.

I don't think Any dm is clinging to the free rebuild thing either. It's just there. It's not often thought about until it's actually needed. (I was a complete moron when it came to builds.... so... yeah...).

The only reason it was brought up, is that the different in how many DC's the DM's earn vs the Players earn is already astronomical, and having free rebuilds just widens that gap.

maybe could we get a lay out of what RP is worth DCs then because I just find it odd why some people who I thought were big time RPers have no DCs.

the equation that we know so far is DM side 4hours=1DC
its not commision based from dealing with problems/questions running events handing out DCs or minor requests just 4 hours nets you a DC DM side.

and its allways been said you have to earn your DCs, and I'm not saying DMs dont earn DCs its just sometimes they might not allways earn them like if they are on B-mia and people are just hunting and they flip flop around watching people solo for 4 hours( could be broken up over afew days) why would they earn a DC?

Where are our players: DM events etc

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