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Zante wrote:

Powerbuilds and pvpers already dominate amia. If anything, putting up an index of builds would allow more rpers to get even and have a fighting chance instead of getting ganked by every triggerhappy fanatic.

Who prevented this perceived crowd of yours to ask in the build topic until now?

I was inclined to murder a kitten for Zante's comment. Hendrack's prudent sentence saved the kitten's life.

EDIT - Kjetta's comment was totally awesome too, dudes. *lickslurp*

WonWon wrote:

IMHO, I'd rather just see a few of the 'mainstream' builds for people to work off of. Bog-standard Wizard build, Bog-standard Melee WM, etc.

Adding in all of the gimmick/cheese builds would be silly encouragement, IMHO.

Yes please.

Zante wrote:

Powerbuilds and pvpers already dominate amia. If anything, putting up an index of builds would allow more rpers to get even and have a fighting chance instead of getting ganked by every triggerhappy fanatic.

So just ask in the damn topic instead of whining more.

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I can see how people with powerbuilds view this idea with contempt. Bad builds make for easy targets. And bad builds have lost enough battles and sucked it up. RPing a powerbuild is easy when you're not used to losing.

So just ask in the damn topic for build help instead of whining more.

It's a good idea. Some people have a basic idea of what they want their character to be like when they are peak lvl.

Also sometimes people create bad builds but want to RP winning once....and since there are powerbuilds(I don't think they're THAT many), it might be nice to have something to tell you, if nothing else, how to create a decent build.

When I started Amia a while back....I had no clue how to build...and regardless of what great RP can come with loss....it doesn't make up for losing constantly against players and NPCs.

There's a difference between a decent build and a powerbuild though.

Making a decent build means that you understand the concepts of skill dumping, not taking levels in a class when they're not beneficial and using weapons other than the sickle.

I've always frowned at powerbuilds, and I hate the fact that I've been indirectly forced to have a powerbuild just to play the character I'm playing.

I wouldn't mind adding a basic building guide, to keep people from making characters that are completely useless in both PvM and PvP, but to endorse powerbuilding is not something I personally vouch for.

Hmm...I like the idea of neatly listed builds for easier reference but I'm not fussed if we don't go this route. Some of the PCs I've ditched are because they truly suck in both PvM and PvP on the server, others because they have no basis in a good story. At least if you get the build right, you can always fix the storyline. Its a lot harder/expensive in DCs to fix a build.

Given DCs are as rare as hen's teeth these days, I see no reason why a list of good builds not be created. I've got 2 PCs that are okay in PvM but aren't so great in PvP. My two newest PCs include 1 that's a good build, that's a variant of one I found on the build thread and the other one, is one Mr. Mago inadvertently let loose in gossip one day. Thanks Darthy! I came across it in a random search of the forum and it wasn't in the build thread (thank god!). That one -is- a powerbuild but it doesn't mean I've learnt how to use it in PvP.

Maybe you're right, we shouldn't have cookie cutter builds, but I find it would of saved me a lot of heartache to get it right the first time around.

...so just ask in the build topic!

Page 60 of the HotU manual tells you a fair bit of stuff about pre-epic building, but understanding it is another thing entirely. For example.

I don't see the harm in covering a few basic concepts so that people posting in the build topic all have some knowledge and understanding.

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xordae wrote:

I can see how people with powerbuilds view this idea with contempt. Bad builds make for easy targets. And bad builds have lost enough battles and sucked it up. RPing a powerbuild is easy when you're not used to losing.

QFE.

And honestly it's easy if you pick on lowbies or people you know OOC'ly are "RP" builds as opposed to a consistant approach across the board, regardless of the possible outcome; or pre-arrange the outcome of the PvP OOC'ly before the conflict even begins.

Both of which I'd suspect happen on this server frequently, and with great relish, ignoring NPC guards all the while and then bitching like a girl when they get the inevitable DM called and cause a huge drag for everyone involved.

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TormakSaber wrote:

...so just ask in the build topic!

You completely miss the administrative point, though. It's futile to up post counts and forum size by answering the same question over and over, when people can just as well read an answer provided to someone else. Otherwise, we can simply clean up the old topics and keep answering the same questions without building up dead data.

...but we *like* repeating ourselves endlessly, or we'd stop replying. <.<

I don't like the idea thta we look like we're "Advertising" certain builds as the best on Amia. Players should be free to build as they like but should also explictly understand that: If they want help, they will receive it, and if they eschew this help, they have no right to complain about others who accepted it for any reason whatsoever, because they can ask for it too.

Well, you might like it as a poster, but you shouldn't like it as a forum admin. Remember the last time posts started simply disappearing, because the DB grew too big? It's a quite more sensible approach to restrict the number of data created than to play Russian roulette and let the forums delete posts at random.

So we clean out the last dozen pages or so and nick off the forums we don't use anymore. No big deal. I'll take cleaning out the trash here and there over a big spanking page of "These Are The Best Builds For Amia". Shall we write up gearsets for them too?

It's also perfectly fine by me to simply remove the current topic and start a new, I am not fussy, as long as it either is put to proper use or is reduced in size. The latter is a shame though, because people put effort into giving others advice, and that's why I would rather index it. It's always a shame to waste someone's effort.

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