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Any of you up for a little task? Mainly going through the pages and picking out anything worth linking into a big linky post. I have a feeling having all those fancy builds linked from one place would reduce the amount of questions repeated over and over.

Something like this:

Rogue builds

[link with brief explanation]
[rinse and repeat]

Cleric builds

[link with brief explanation]
[rinse and repeat]

The task shouldn't be too big if folks pick a page or two to go through and post the results here. Just post which pages you'll look through so others don't do the same work twice. I'll add them to the first post of the topic for easy access.

Then you can use the topic for build discussion as usual, but it will also function as a library you can browse and search through pretty easily.

No, copying into a new thread. That way I can simply trash the rest when the forum is getting a stupor again.

Just a suggestion, but maybe a build format to write it out in? Again, a little more effort, but it would make searching through it for what you need much easier. Like,

Name of Build:
Levels:
Ability Points:

etc, something like that. A template I guess is the word I'm looking for!

That's something I was after with my "brief explanation", so yes please put some information like what Maryn suggested there. Preferably in one line, though, so that the index stays as small as possible, page height wise.

I'd like to help, but I'm slightly confused as to what parts we would need to post here.

Would it be say:

Build: Fighter/CoT/Rogue

Attribute's: "Instert Att's"

Level prog: "Insert lvl progression"

and so on, or?

Yay, first Builder taking interest! (sorry Maryn, I am not sure if you're actually that much into builds..

)

Well, I don't think the index would need to say much more than the basics, in a shape that is easy to search through with the browser Search function.

I'm not heavy on builds, so I don't know too well what someone who's looking for a good build suggestion would wanna know before clicking the link. Class composition? Main attributes, maybe?

Maybe like this?

Sorc20/pally/2/rogue8. Aasimar. CHA. [some other bit of information]

I was doing this for a while on the old topic, shifting through the usefull builds and comments, got fair few pages on word done If i can find the time to find the document I'll post it for you.

It's a hard job to go through all the pages alone, hence it'd be nice if several folks did a few pages each. If you got the list left, we can linky the contents.

There's too many builds and permutations to reasonably do this and I for one, despite having a build topic, do not wish to encourage cookie cutter builds.

It's still possible to provide the basics that can get players by on the server, It would mean more complex builds could be requested on the build topic.

Okay then, I'm quite tired atm, so I'll have a go at it tomorrow, I'll be able to concentrate better and hopefully get some done.

Nekhy wrote:

Yay, first Builder taking interest! (sorry Maryn, I am not sure if you're actually that much into builds..

)

lol, no offense taken, I don't make builds, I just use them! >.> Anyways, I understand Tormak's concern about cookie cutter builds, but the thread is there as a resource, nothing wrong with making it more user friendly.

Jebus, there's a big feckoff elephant in the room.

Build forum.

Oy, this isn't another build topic, so bugger off with your build talk to the build topic! This is, as Maryn again kindly helped me put it, a topic to help organise the build topic so that it becomes easier to read and browse.

Same could be done to the lore topic, in fact, but one thing at a time!

Hahaha, pardon. Feel free to delete this and above post made by me.

Gonna delete the above posts in... 10 minutes. Feel free to move the debate to the build topic.

Nekhy wrote:

That's something I was after with my "brief explanation", so yes please put some information like what Maryn suggested there. Preferably in one line, though, so that the index stays as small as possible, page height wise.

Oh, I almost forgot. I'm not sure if this was entirely clear in my original post, but with a template, I meant a singular template for everyone to use when writing out the builds. Not just telling people to write it out neatly.

Not sure on the best way of how to do this, so I've copied and pasted builds into Text docs and named them things along the lines of "Human - Fighter-WM-Rogue - Dev critter" and so on, and the file contains who the build was wrote up by.

Is this any good for now? Im up to the sixth page, btw.

Doesn't seem like Uce and co actually mind repeating themselves endlessly, so... perhaps easier to let sleeping cows lie?

What we REALLY need is a forum for the build thread with nothing else on it.

Makes searching for a build about 2 billion times easier, since you don't have to weed out the rest of the general discussion when using search

Oh, this a no go now, then?

Well, I got quite a few pages into the Topic by now, but I guess I could use them myself so I have easier access to them. If not, I'm more than happy to carry doing what I've been doing.

If you're really into convenience, make a single Forum for this stuff so you can have one build per topic and maybe a topic for FAQ's. The problem with only one Build topic is that no one does his research and the topic is freaking huge. I wouldn't even want to crawl through there just looking for a build. 1/4th of it is good information and the rest is just unnecessary filler and repetition.

That seems a good idea, that way I can paste any of the builds that I have saved into seperate topics, easy access, the title of the topic saying what the build is, so on, so forth.

But the DM's say they don't want anymore Sub-forums, so I'm not sure if this would go through.

Its not broken.

This topic is 100% fail, I say. The build topic and PMs to a reliable builder are just fine.

xordae wrote:

If you're really into convenience, make a single Forum for this stuff so you can have one build per topic and maybe a topic for FAQ's. The problem with only one Build topic is that no one does his research and the topic is freaking huge. I wouldn't even want to crawl through there just looking for a build. 1/4th of it is good information and the rest is just unnecessary filler and repetition.

But we repeat it anywyas largely because we enjoy it.

Uncle-Opustus wrote:

This topic is 100% fail, I say. The build topic and PMs to a reliable builder are just fine.

No.

It brings up one important thing.
We -do- need a build Forum. Mostly becaus we don't need the General section to be flooded, And, As FireproofTroll said, Searching will be easier.

Might i also add another argument for the case NWN, in its most basic form, is a Build-Machine.
Then after that, you add countless layers of history, story and enviroment.
Hence creating the atmosphere 'n gameplay.
But it is, and will always be, A basic Build-machine. Becaus Class, or Classes, is what keeps you going. Levels will bring you forward.

Tormak Also said,

Quote:

There's too many builds and permutations to reasonably do this and I for one, despite having a build topic, do not wish to encourage cookie cutter builds.

There still "ARE" New players around. And a new player, wich a fancy build, Is a happy new player, that presumably continues to RP With us.
(Note: This doesn not apply to, and is limited to, certain players only.)

No build forums. Just an index for the relevant stuff, if you want one and give me the stuff that should be linked.

(Edit: EDited it all away, to the NEW URL Code, further down.))

Is the Head DM actually trying to put together a complete list of some of the most devastating and cheesiest powerbuilds available on Amia?

The only thing I like about the powerbuild topic, is that it's so damn big, that your random abusive nublet won't be able to find the strongest powerbuild of PK-0wnage that they're searching for.

The head DM is trying to put together an index of stuff that might be useful, yes. If that topic is to be there, it might as well be useful to others than the regular posters, too. The head DM would muchly enjoy reading through the topic, too, to pick up a tip here and there if it wasn't nigh impossible right now. In addition, the head DM as well as the other DMs will ban random abusive nublets regardless of their building skillz, if they are abusive and rather random.

But umm... just gimme the link to the post and a brief summary of what it is about, not the whole stuff, please. I guess I am explaining myself really badly, but I thought I have been speaking of links all the time... you know, for a list of links that function as an index you can read through and click? Like the R&L forum is arranged.

Is this what you wanted?

?

Nekhy, above in this topic wrote:

Sorc20/pally/2/rogue8. Aasimar. CHA. [some other bit of information]

Except that the link should go to the post in the build topic, and not to the topic we're in right now. And there'll be several of those links, of course.

Like this topic here is done. With the difference, that I'll collect all the links from your posts to this topic and edit the first post in the build topic to make it into an index. You only need to give me the link to the post, that should be indexed and I can do the URL tags and all to make it neat.

Nekhy wrote:

The head DM is trying to put together an index of stuff that might be useful, yes. If that topic is to be there, it might as well be useful to others than the regular posters, too. The head DM would muchly enjoy reading through the topic, too, to pick up a tip here and there if it wasn't nigh impossible right now. In addition, the head DM as well as the other DMs will ban random abusive nublets regardless of their building skillz, if they are abusive and rather random.

But umm... just gimme the link to the post and a brief summary of what it is about, not the whole stuff, please. I guess I am explaining myself really badly, but I thought I have been speaking of links all the time... you know, for a list of links that function as an index you can read through and click? Like the R&L forum is arranged.

OR you can do what everyone else does and just ask for help on a build in the topic... I am extremely against a Cliff's Notes of cookiecutter builds.

I can make it simple for you, and make one single topic with the most powerful build alternatives for each and every class there is.

Then everyone can make their very own powerbuilds... and... yeah.

We can focus on the RP later.

Mr Mago wrote:

I can make it simple for you, and make one single topic with the most powerful build alternatives for each and every class there is.

Then everyone can make their very own powerbuilds... and... yeah.

We can focus on the RP later.

What is this RP you speak of? Some kind of STD?

DolphinRacer wrote:

Mr Mago wrote:

I can make it simple for you, and make one single topic with the most powerful build alternatives for each and every class there is.

Then everyone can make their very own powerbuilds... and... yeah.

We can focus on the RP later.

What is this RP you speak of? Some kind of STD?

All I know is that it itches.

Mr Mago wrote:

I can make it simple for you, and make one single topic with the most powerful build alternatives for each and every class there is.

Then everyone can make their very own powerbuilds... and... yeah.

We can focus on the RP later.

*snicker* Wow, I got a kick out of this.

Regards,

Well, I am sure the "focusing on the RP later" part comes naturally to some here, but a good deal of us don't make a difference between builds and RP and can do both simultaneously just fine.

There's really no point in keeping that topic on the forums if it's not usable by people. Why do all the build tips get posted, if not to give advice to others? If we don't want people to find cookie cutter and whatever builds on the forums, they shouldn't be there to begin with. If we don't mind them being there, but don't want people to actually use them, they're just dead bytes and might as well be purged to keep the forum squeaky clean and running smoothly. Plus, your argument of "powerbuild list" is a straw man. There's plenty of other tips in the topic, I imagine, that would be handy if indexed. Notice that I'd like to do the same for the lore topic, for the same reasons of saving people's time when they can look at an answer given to someone else. Plus, cancel the need to up the bloody post count and forum size by answering each question five times over.

I am sorry, but your ridicule of my aims to make things more user friendly for the rest of us fall short of sound reasoning. It's rare that attempts to make something less demanding for the server and the users is met with such hostility. Almost as if you're afraid of something?

Maybe make a separate build and a build comments topic. Just enumerate the builds 1, 2, 3 ... and make sure in the comments the number of the build which is discussed is mentioned.

I'm a bit sad that Lore isn't being organized first since it is related to RP but Builds is getting the initial dose of love. I only say this since my PC recently ran into a Druid in the forest complaining about the weight of his plate armor. When she asked if he was of Melikki (Y'know, just trying to spark a convo with the guy?) he asked "Who is that?".

Why isn't Lore, which would aid some burgeoning RPers, getting more love than the builds which won't produce anything but more ....and gods save us all I'm agreeing with Mago...PK-"LOL!! I Keel U N00b!" builds?

I for one think this is could be a good idea. Round up a good set of the standard class builds (e.g. 16WM) in one place that gives only the basic stuffs and leave some choices open. Show them what's important , what's not, and what's optional.

The wiki could be a nice place for this. It'll make different builders work together easier.

Give man a fire and he'll be warm for a day; light man with fire and he'll be warm forever - and all that.

colanah wrote:

[color=thistle][i]I'm a bit sad that Lore isn't being organized first since it is related to RP but Builds is getting the initial dose of love. I only say this since my PC recently ran into a Druid in the forest complaining about the weight of his plate armor. When she asked if he was of Melikki (Y'know, just trying to spark a convo with the guy?) he asked "Who is that?".

If you read my posts above, you'll notice that I said (twice, in fact) I want to index the lore topic, as well. I just happened to start with this topic and not the lore topic, for whatever reason of coincidence.

ticket wrote:

I for one think this is could be a good idea. Round up a good set of the standard class builds (e.g. 16WM) in one place that gives only the basic stuffs and leave some choices open. Show them what's important , what's not, and what's optional.

The wiki could be a nice place for this. It'll make different builders work together easier.

Give man a fire and he'll be warm for a day; light man with fire and he'll be warm forever - and all that.

That could be something for someone else to think about. I'm merely looking into making use of the current huge topic hogging up space on the forums, by using the existing posts and tips posted. Not so much (well, not at all to be honest, I hope to avoid it infact) adding new material.

Oh, I read them dear. Still sad.

Powerbuilds and pvpers already dominate amia. If anything, putting up an index of builds would allow more rpers to get even and have a fighting chance instead of getting ganked by every triggerhappy fanatic.

Zante wrote:

Powerbuilds and pvpers already dominate amia. If anything, putting up an index of builds would allow rpers to get even and have a fighting chance.

Contrary to popular belief, it's rather unprecise to employ powerbuilding "pvpers" and rping "rpers" as two two mutually exclusive categories of Amians engaged in a continuous struggle over domination.

IMHO, I'd rather just see a few of the 'mainstream' builds for people to work off of. Bog-standard Wizard build, Bog-standard Melee WM, etc.

Adding in all of the gimmick/cheese builds would be silly encouragement, IMHO.

A organised build thread? I'd read it! I'm all for making builds more accessible.

It was only an idea to make things easier. Like Nekhy said, if you don't want people getting the big juicy cheesey powerbuilds, then they shouldn't have been posted at all, should they?

I doubt she had in mind to make everyone on the server "the Biggest Most Cheesiest Builds Known to Amia".

All it takes is for one of the alleged "nublets" to look through the first so many pages of that topic and you already have your cheese on a plate, I know, I looked.

And considering the fact that people who have posted here have massive powerbuilds, maybe not all, but some. It just seems to tell me, "I don't want someone finding a build potentially stronger than mine, so I'll try to get in the way of it".

As for the Lore topic, there's nothing to stop anyone volunteering and help out with that, is there?

I can see how people with powerbuilds view this idea with contempt. Bad builds make for easy targets. And bad builds have lost enough battles and sucked it up. RPing a powerbuild is easy when you're not used to losing.

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