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As far as I am concerned, yes. But then again, the justification I require to approve PvP is usually very thin because watching you kill each other off is entertainment. I may thumb my nose and snub an adventurer who kills a man over something as foolish as a personal slight...

...but at the same time, adventurers are horrible people, not heroes. Just ask the Cordor citizens. :wink:

A bit OT but I wonder if there's any way Cordor'll approve a Eugenics program to breed out the 'Adventurer' Gene.

Sorry, I have to.

Mmm.

What Jas mentioned, is another thing about the PC Notice replies which has irked me.

The fact that a reply is made, by an "anonymous" character, who pretty much slanders or otherwise acts destructively towards the original postings and the character which made them, without having to potentially risk the consequences of doing so.

If Jenny the Neutral Druid harshly insults Johnny the Evil Palemaster, burns his notices, tells lies about him and acts exceedingly provocative... in person, face to face, she'd probably get a skeletal arm up her ass quite soon.

But anonymous replies to PC notices are generally free from any such consequences.

Taelar rarely writes responses to posters, but that's because his reactions are generally dictated by what he feels as a guard of Cordor, but are tempered by a degree of discipline. He figures that if its actually a matter that the guard is going to concern itself with, or the city will concern itself with, someone a lot more important than him will make official type announcements.

And to all you poster defacers and tearer downers...keep in mind these are usually in heavily populated cities in very public places. It is rather irritating when someone assumes that wearing a big robe is going to prevent them from being interfered with if they are doing something as public as tearing up or scrawling all over a poster. I think my problem with the counterposter scribbling is that too many people are assuming that they wouldn't get caught doing it.

ainjyll wrote:

I'm kinda curious about what Jas asked, too. If Character A tears down Character B's poster or scribbles something horrendous on it, does it transfer over to IG consequences? For example:

Jon puts up a poster offering some rare magical item.

Mark comes along and scribbles down on the poster that Jon is an evil bastard and will use the money to finance the murder of countless kittens and puppies and would kick Jon's butt if he was standing in front of him.

Assuming that an option to escape PvP is given in the confrontation, can Jon go after Mark in game?

I would assume so - not much is more offensive than public libel.

Yurell wrote:

ainjyll wrote:

I'm kinda curious about what Jas asked, too. If Character A tears down Character B's poster or scribbles something horrendous on it, does it transfer over to IG consequences? For example:

Jon puts up a poster offering some rare magical item.

Mark comes along and scribbles down on the poster that Jon is an evil bastard and will use the money to finance the murder of countless kittens and puppies and would kick Jon's butt if he was standing in front of him.

Assuming that an option to escape PvP is given in the confrontation, can Jon go after Mark in game?

I would assume so - not much is more offensive than public libel.

I believe it's rather hard to determine in these cases...since Mark may or may not have been seen doing the deed. Both parties should come to an agreement I guess.

Well, my response would be IC consequence for IC action. The forum is not a place where you can emote being a bastard and get away scot-free

It's just words or poster removal. The offense is not that capital if you ask me. Also because it's just words it can always be parried with other words. If you place a poster in a public place you willingly accept to receive opinions you may have not received should you have been presenting a public speech. Risk of comodity.

Yurell wrote:

Well, my response would be IC consequence for IC action. The forum is not a place where you can emote being a bastard and get away scot-free

The problem is that it does seem to happen now and again. People have gotten away with things they reasonably shouldn't be able to get away with because they did it on the forums. (examples being attacks against or vandalism of highly guarded public locations, open dumping of bodies or parts of bodies in relatively public areas, etc.) With a lot of these though, its hard to tell if the person is deliberately being a jerk, or if they just don't stop to think enough about what they are doing.

DolphinRacer wrote:

With a lot of these though, its hard to tell if the person is deliberately being a jerk, or if they just don't stop to think enough about what they are doing.

It doesn't matter what their intentions were, merely how you character would treat theirs ICly

Mr Mago wrote:

Mmm.

What Jas mentioned, is another thing about the PC Notice replies which has irked me.

The fact that a reply is made, by an "anonymous" character, who pretty much slanders or otherwise acts destructively towards the original postings and the character which made them, without having to potentially risk the consequences of doing so.

If Jenny the Neutral Druid harshly insults Johnny the Evil Palemaster, burns his notices, tells lies about him and acts exceedingly provocative... in person, face to face, she'd probably get a skeletal arm up her ass quite soon.

But anonymous replies to PC notices are generally free from any such consequences.

That's generally why they're made anonymous, though?

Thought bubbles can be considered anonymous as well.

If you're just gonna talk shit, with nothing coming out of it, then why talk shit?

Of course it's annoying to have one-way communication with nothing but negative content in a situation where the content, even if negative, is suppose to contribute to a fun and progressing RP atmosphere.

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If you're just gonna talk (censored), with nothing coming out of it, then why talk (censored)?

Because people want to talk shit with no consequences? You're answering your own questions, heh. I'm not saying it's good or bad, just saying the answers.

Sylfwe wrote:

It's just words or poster removal. The offense is not that capital if you ask me. Also because it's just words it can always be parried with other words. If you place a poster in a public place you willingly accept to receive opinions you may have not received should you have been presenting a public speech. Risk of comodity.

Then I suppose I can safely say that if the one that emoted the actions of ripping down posters and peeing on it is trying to weasel his way out of repercussions, He's obviously being a jackass.
It reminds me of the folks (prior to the pvp rule change) that would insult your mother, your father, your dog and your genitalia and then go "Oh, nope. PvP rules. I refuse PvP".

I can understand if it's all douchey-ness IC really. But when the player attempts to avoid the results, hes obviously going OOC.

When you can adequately prove to me that removing the signature of a post is not simply in character, then I'll consider doing more than giving it a passing glance and shrugging it off. I understand it's annoying on an OOC level but you shouldn't be taking it OOC at all.

Jas wrote:

Oh, nope. PvP rules. I refuse PvP".

No you can't, OOC permission is not part of the PvP rules.

Yurell wrote:

Jas wrote:

Oh, nope. PvP rules. I refuse PvP".

No you can't, OOC permission is not part of the PvP rules.

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It reminds me of the folks (prior to the pvp rule change)

Oh, I apologise, I didn't see that

I'm going to ask my question again, since it clearly got missed.

Why don't we have message boards that bring up a dialog box where you can post messages to? Just like we had previously (remnants of this system can be seen by the message board in the corner of the Triumvir).

That'll save any of the OOC'ness of forum boards for that sort of thing?

The scripts for the old message board in the Triumvir were never added. It's purely a placeholder.

Okie dokes. Sooo...Add message boards in each prominent place where messages could be put perhaps? Then its definitely an IC action, nothing OOC about it anymore. They've got it on Arabel, Arelith I think to name a few places but I've seen it on plenty of servers before so its not unique I don't think?

Is it a lag issue why we don't add them? Time issue or just not thought of much until now?

Laggy, timey, and you said the A word.

soundofastream wrote:

Okie dokes. Sooo...Add message boards in each prominent place where messages could be put perhaps? Then its definitely an IC action, nothing OOC about it anymore. They've got it on Arabel, Arelith I think to name a few places but I've seen it on plenty of servers before so its not unique I don't think?

Is it a lag issue why we don't add them? Time issue or just not thought of much until now?

Sigh. Do you not have the ability to pitch an idea without saying "But it worked HERE!"?

EDIT: Also, please, Numbers. It's Arelith. We aren't petty, and no one cares if you say "Arelith". We have a good working relationship with them.

I propose that scribes be able to make placeable posters. Then not only do you have to physically go to the place you intend to put a poster, you will probably be seen placing it.

And set some kind of an upper limit on how many okaceable posters you personally can place, or in any one area.

Scribes "CAN" Make placable posters, And Name them to whatever they like.

It's allready in game.

Perhaps it's bold to predict, but if this is actually done (and I hope it's not), I put ten on messages going mostly ignored because people don't want to deal with the tedious and laggy process of looking through these IG message boards.

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News to me, then. The major limitation of forum-ised posters is that they don't automatically appear at the locations in-game; so anyone who doesn't browse the forums often, or simply doesn't read the Notices section much, isn't going to see the poster when they should.

More to the point, it's far easier to have an in-character reaction to something while you're in-game.

While I don't think message boards are an impossibility, individually-placed posters have the advantage of being supported by Examine, which means no conversation files are needed to read the message.

o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote:

Perhaps it's bold to predict, but if this is actually done (and I hope it's not), I put ten on messages going mostly ignored because people don't want to deal with the tedious and laggy process of looking through these IG message boards.

Well, I would.

And i would LOVE To have some Discussion RP about something specific? Like...The latest Gossip, or some Slander regarding Dartharion Illys.

Who knows. Only your Imagination sets the limits!

o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote:

Perhaps it's bold to predict, but if this is actually done (and I hope it's not), I put ten on messages going mostly ignored because people don't want to deal with the tedious and laggy process of looking through these IG message boards.

I'm inclined to think your way, Gunx. It is far faster on the forum, and I can read the forum when I'm not plying NWN to make bids etc.

Posters, Annoying.

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