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ILoveIceCream wrote:

the best specialty shop in the game is located on B......Shadowdancer Store(s).....'nuff said

The Druid/Ranger shop in A is pretty sexy too.

But yeah, I've been spending a lot more time on B myself. I would say I spend about 20%-30% of my time on B now. When before is o 0%-10%. I'm rocking my new character there.

Ive shopped at the druid/ranger shop but Ive heard tale that there is a fancier one there too thats off limits *grumble*

GreatPigeon wrote:

Ive shopped at the druid/ranger shop but Ive heard tale that there is a fancier one there too thats off limits *grumble*

That's the one. All I can say is this: That shops items aren't limited to councilors. It's limited to those characters who play their cards right with councilors.

Don't think of it as an impossibility. Think of it as a chance for RP.

Is tis still feasible? I'm asking because there are going to be a few people moving to B not the least of which are two or three of my PCs and some housing on B would make them very very happy. ....one wishes to live in a tree though....>.>

Yeah, but after I have done a lot of other stuff.

o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote:

GreatPigeon wrote:

Ive shopped at the druid/ranger shop but Ive heard tale that there is a fancier one there too thats off limits *grumble*

That's the one. All I can say is this: That shops items aren't limited to councilors. It's limited to those characters who play their cards right with councilors.

Don't think of it as an impossibility. Think of it as a chance for RP.

sounds like ego gratification... have to be careful

It's not ego gratification, and cut the little jabs, Jess.

o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote:

GreatPigeon wrote:

Ive shopped at the druid/ranger shop but Ive heard tale that there is a fancier one there too thats off limits *grumble*

That's the one. All I can say is this: That shops items aren't limited to councilors. It's limited to those characters who play their cards right with councilors.

Don't think of it as an impossibility. Think of it as a chance for RP.

I've never been able to find it personally and no one has ever mentioned it in my presence ICly so my pc doesn't know it exists. Maybe I'm hanging with the wrong crowd.......

maglorine wrote:

o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote:

GreatPigeon wrote:

Ive shopped at the druid/ranger shop but Ive heard tale that there is a fancier one there too thats off limits *grumble*

That's the one. All I can say is this: That shops items aren't limited to councilors. It's limited to those characters who play their cards right with councilors.

Don't think of it as an impossibility. Think of it as a chance for RP.

I've never been able to find it personally and no one has ever mentioned it in my presence ICly so my pc doesn't know it exists. Maybe I'm hanging with the wrong crowd.......

Na, Riol is just so quiet that Willow has never really spoken with him much. Well, that's why Willow has never spoken about it to him anyway. Dunno about others. ::shrugs::

maglorine wrote:

o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote:

GreatPigeon wrote:

Ive shopped at the druid/ranger shop but Ive heard tale that there is a fancier one there too thats off limits *grumble*

That's the one. All I can say is this: That shops items aren't limited to councilors. It's limited to those characters who play their cards right with councilors.

Don't think of it as an impossibility. Think of it as a chance for RP.

I've never been able to find it personally and no one has ever mentioned it in my presence ICly so my pc doesn't know it exists. Maybe I'm hanging with the wrong crowd.......

*shakes him and then gives cookies* It's because you vanish so fast we can only cover the immediate things happening and never get to the idle chit-chat to drop mention of the path to ranger/druid happy land!!! *sniffles* Though we know you only have so much time to play...still we do like to chat with you when something in the forest isn't going ten degrees past insane.

*pauses and thinks about that* ...yeah..yeah we'd better figure a way to tell Riol soon. Waiting on a peaceful forest day is like waiting for open heart surgery from a 3 year old. Might happen, just god alone knows when and guaranteed to be a surprise!

TormakSaber wrote:

It's not ego gratification, and cut the little jabs, Jess.

My apologies, i have a poor sense of humor

Last edited by Dev Disco on Fri, Sep 11 2009, 16:01 PM, edited 1 time in total.

I (with assistance of Gravemaskin) have created a fancy house renting system. It's not available yet, but here's the idea.

1. I add 10 identical empty two-room house areas to each module. Each gets a number between 1 and 10.

2. I add a few doors to each city etc that act as an entry. There can be more than 10 doors. When you click an 'empty' door you are presented a renting convo. I'll give options to rent for a week and a month. You can only rent one door at a time, and a door can only be taken by one person. The door you rent represents your house, keep that in mind.

3. When you enter your door you are linked to one of the 10 empty houses. I doubt there will be more then 10 houses in use at any given time. 5 minutes after the last occupant leaves a house the link to its door gets broken, any remaining items and placeables are cleaned up, and the house can now be used from another door.

4. When you rent a house you get a furniture widget. This allows you to spawn carpets, benches, cupboards, beds, etc, in your house. You can use up to 30 items out of a rather big collection. You can store this setup, and when you enter your house the stored setup is applied automatically. In other words: you can customise your house.

5. You can make keys to your house, and lock the house from the inside. Your front door will be pickable, btw.

6. Rent comes in 3 flavours: Basic, Standard, and Deluxe.
* Basic gives you a hall and a small 1x1 room which you can decorate with 10 placeables.
* Standard gives you a hall and a bigger 2x2 room and up to 20 placeables.
* Deluxe gives you a hall and both rooms and up to 30 placeables.

7. Prices:
You don't get discount for a month, on the contrary. The longer the claim, the higher the price.

Week Packages
Basic: 50.000 gold
Standard: 100.000 gold
Deluxe: 200.000 gold

Month Packages
Basic: 250.000 gold
Standard: 500.000 gold
Deluxe: 1.000.000 gold

This may look a bit complicated, but it allows me to add rentable housing to an area with one click.

That sounds awesome Disco / Grave ... can't wait to try it out. Good work.

Disco and Gravey, you're great! I love you guys!

Y'know...

I could see crafty people using this as a means to get a 'temporary' faction area if they're trying to get started.

Why can I see this happening?

Because I'm totally doing it >.>

Yush, Tranny also suggested that when he tried out the system.

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Just an observation but the rent rate could be tweaked abit to encourage people to log on more frequently. (as in those that log in daily could have it cheaper or alternatively, those that rent it out in a span of weeks/month would pay an exorbitant price)

Currently the weekly rate for basic is 50k but quadruple its duration to a month and its actually cheaper by half. 100k as opposed to 200k. Should definitely make it cheaper to pay on a daily scale to encourage people to log on often.

You pay in advance, so it's a bit hard to figure out how often people will login.

I havent a clue exactly how it works but im assuming one can "extend" their rent duration before it expires.

So say, im a cheap bastard and (an example) I pay 1gp to rent the house for 2 days then after the first, i pay another gp to extend it. the net result is people/factions that log on the Server frequently get to rent the location cheap.

Whereas for one to hog the location for a month with zero activity, the price should be rather steep.

You can only rent for a week or a month. Cheap bastards have to find another solution.

Why so expensive? Could they be made a little more affordable?

It's supposed to be a gold sink, hence the cost, to my knowledge.

A damn good idea for one, too...

Yush, I am a monetary vampire.

-Question-...

Is there a way you could have multiple people using the same house / PLC set up / Keys?

Just so, for the faction example, -every- member of the faction could access the household at will if need be. And so forth.

Yes. The owner of a house can give as many people a key as he likes. The only catch is that you can only have the key to one house. Only exception is a house owner, he can access his own house, and have a key to another one.

I don't think so!

You had indicated earlier that this would only be available on B-mia to encourage people to log in there. Is this still the plan?

Are all the houses in the same area (so that people can hear you through the walls)?

colanah wrote:

*shakes him and then gives cookies* It's because you vanish so fast we can only cover the immediate things happening and never get to the idle chit-chat to drop mention of the path to ranger/druid happy land!!! *sniffles* Though we know you only have so much time to play...still we do like to chat with you when something in the forest isn't going ten degrees past insane.

*pauses and thinks about that* ...yeah..yeah we'd better figure a way to tell Riol soon. Waiting on a peaceful forest day is like waiting for open heart surgery from a 3 year old. Might happen, just god alone knows when and guaranteed to be a surprise!

I need to stop hanging out by the crystal. So much traffic and distractions.

On the Houses - looks like a nice idea. Only thing I'd say is lower the price on the basic. I know our lowbie Wednesday night group on B would love to have a small house to call our own, but we are 10th-12th level and I'm sure we don't earn anywhere near 50,000 a week between the 4 of us - combined - at this point. I'd also suggest going with a monthly discount. Say 3.5X the weekly price as standard - buy 3 weeks get 1 at half price. Either that or there should be a benefit to the monthly, like extra placeables. Maybe weekly rentals get half the placeables of monthlys or somesuch.

The benefit for monthly is simply that it is monthly. You are able to monopolise a door/house without having to pay attention to the rent. It's also a way to drain money, so I won't make it cheap. I am thinking about accepting DCs at the rate of 1 DC for a 50.000 gold 'voucher'.

I am also implementing this on Island. Maybe with a bit more enthusiasm on Abroad, though.

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I am thinking about accepting DCs at the rate of 1 DC for a 50.000 gold 'voucher'.

nononoononononononononononononononononononononoo

Yes please. Or only boss farmers will be able to afford these, unless that is what you want.

Meh... the system looks awesome in theory, but due to the implementation, only a very few overly rich people will get to use it.

Last edited by colanah on Sat, Sep 12 2009, 0:49 AM, edited 1 time in total.

Hm...so you either have to be a gold farmer to afford this or someone that gets DCs rained on them like water in the sea?

The starting player or players that never break purse of more than 150-300k at any given time will never really invest in these so the alternative is to just do the reset per reset houses?

No sarcasm, just pondering this system against low coin holders. Since someone with 10 mil can just as easily go into a house they know about, decorate it with server plcs or job system ones then leave. Hopefully they won't. Hopefully they invest in getting a house for themselves for a full month and enjoy it.

They might just do that. Though that is a high price for a house but that's just me. For others it might be absolutely nothing at all to think about. Even so I do look forward to looking around in one at some point. Not going to be today at those prices but maybe one day.

Good job on the system design though!

~edited because typing with an 8 year old asking questions leads to broken thought strings. :p~

Well, you always have the option not to take one? I mean, we're talking Rolex, Ferrari, and Hugo Boss here.

It's also rather easy to just use the free inn rooms and housing or 5000 Gold/reset houses. Nothing prevents players from ICly claiming them as theirs while they are in-use.

Is there a reason why these can't be made available to everyone equally? I am sure most people would like to be rent one of these who just won't be able to.

I sure would but there is no way I can afford it at that price.

There has been, for long bit of time, a need to provide a significant gold drain for the "platinum clad cadre". We've all seen the threads over the years. I don't have any pc's now, nor have I ever, who had enough coin to consider renting one of these houses at these prices so I understand the concern, as expressed in my recent post above. However, if it's available to all easily then it's not a big enough gold sink to make a difference for the server as a whole. Given further thought, I think giving it a chance to work as designed , to serve that purpose even though the prices put it beyond the wherewithal of many, is worthy.

I assume the staff will have the ability to determine thru logs or something, whether it's having the desired effect. If not then adjustments could be made in the future. My 2 cents.

They are available to everyone, equally.

That does not mean, however, that they can be acquired with little effort.

If you are poor - saving up 250,000 GP for a -full month- of use is hardly alot. Especially if you're intending to share it with other people - get them to chip in and help out.

They're deliberately gold sinks for the purpose of draining the economy.

It is Equal Opportunity and Equal Access. It's simply that some people are in a better position to do so. Everyone has the power to get it, everyone pays the same cost, etc.

If you somehow can't afford that, (or rather, can't go through the effort to); there's still Inn Rooms, small homes, etc.

These rental homes are indeed, as Disco put it, the Ferrari, Rolex, and Hugo Boss of the PC Housing Market. And quite purposefully expensive.

WonWon wrote:

If you somehow can't afford that, (or rather, can't go through the effort to); there's still Inn Rooms, small homes, etc.

If these other options remain available, then I think it's a good idea. The primary purpose here is to serve as a gold sink, after all.

Oh my gosh...this idea 'Finally' got implementation.

Player 'owned(if they pay for it)' Houses, in a long term sense, have been the topic for literal years.

Thank you so much. *does a bow*

I foresee a more stable economy.

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I foresee a more stable economy.

I don't. But it's a babystep in the right direction, I guess.

Small faction of 4 sharing a deluxe with 30 placeables for a fancy faction area, they can customize entirely on their own, and don't have to spend MONTHS of planning, working hard and being unable to change it in the slightest once it's in, without alot of RP behind it first.

1 mil/4 people, 250k each for 1 month.

It's not that expensive

250k is 2-3 hours of farming, on average. Without counting epic loot possibilities.

Zante wrote:

Is there a reason why these can't be made available to everyone equally? I am sure most people would like to be rent one of these who just won't be able to.

I sure would but there is no way I can afford it at that price.

People who can't afford it, can do a roommate sort of thing, for instance. Could generate more interesting RP too, and help you knock off gold from the price. Downside is that only one can place down PLCs.

That or you can use one of the other houses that go for under 5k per reset. Cheap, already decorated and is a house. Fill it up with your own placeable PLCs to customize it a tad.

OR simply don't get one then. like in RL, alot of people want big fancy houses, but can't affoard it. so they shack up with strangers for rent, get smaller cheaper places, etc etc etc.. It's not entirely unfair. The only downside is that it rewards constant hunting. Which I hate, since constant hunting often means little RPing.

My opinion is that Epic bosses should be restricted to a single digit spawn count each MONTH for each player. Not once per reset..But that's my own personal view on it. and has rather little to do with the housing system.

Gravemaskin wrote:

My opinion is that Epic bosses should be restricted to a single digit spawn count each MONTH for each player. Not once per reset..But that's my own personal view on it. and has rather little to do with the housing system.

I'd go for that.

Yurell wrote:

Gravemaskin wrote:

My opinion is that Epic bosses should be restricted to a single digit spawn count each MONTH for each player. Not once per reset..But that's my own personal view on it. and has rather little to do with the housing system.

I'd go for that.

My faerie senses are tingling. We just got put on the hatelist of alot of epic hunters.

Gravemaskin wrote:

Yurell wrote:

Gravemaskin wrote:

My opinion is that Epic bosses should be restricted to a single digit spawn count each MONTH for each player. Not once per reset..But that's my own personal view on it. and has rather little to do with the housing system.

I'd go for that.

My faerie senses are tingling. We just got put on the hatelist of alot of epic hunters.

Probably, and it would definitely drive up the price of epic loot. That said, we're drifting off topic ...

... I think the prices are entirely reasonable to be honest, despite having no rich characters.

Yurell wrote:

Gravemaskin wrote:

My opinion is that Epic bosses should be restricted to a single digit spawn count each MONTH for each player. Not once per reset..But that's my own personal view on it. and has rather little to do with the housing system.

I'd go for that.

Yurell wrote:

Gravemaskin wrote:

My opinion is that Epic bosses should be restricted to a single digit spawn count each MONTH for each player. Not once per reset..But that's my own personal view on it. and has rather little to do with the housing system.

I'd go for that.

so would I if the drop is 100%.

and the cost for houses are very low, also if you were going to spend DCs to rent a house I will give you the same amount of gold as disco would for the DCs

Sounds good to me. I like that It'll be on both servers. Good deal.

Also, the prices really aren't -that- bad. It'll serve as a gold sink for a lot of people. For those who just farm like mad to afford it, there's little you can do about it. They could farm to be able to afford many things. That's the nature of the beast, like it or not.

Dev Disco wrote:

The benefit for monthly is simply that it is monthly. You are able to monopolise a door/house without having to pay attention to the rent. It's also a way to drain money, so I won't make it cheap. I am thinking about accepting DCs at the rate of 1 DC for a 50.000 gold 'voucher'.

I am also implementing this on Island. Maybe with a bit more enthusiasm on Abroad, though.

I just read through all the bickering and this truelly stuck out to me , in my opinion i dont think DCs should be used for the housing for some they are hard to come buy and are needed for other reasons...I noticed on my some what new PC from about levels 14 till now level 23 i been using B for mainly hunting and A for RP , B isnt exactly newbie friendly as some one pointed out previously , also theres alot of suggestions that just take things so far out of perportion its unbelieveable , perhaps just do what you planned 50k-week and for everytime it expires without a new payment , maybe make it 100k when it comes along to renting a house you previously owned?

I'll cut it short.

AWESOME SYSTEM.

Gauging interest... rentable houses.

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