I would like to pretend our players have better, more exciting things to do on Amia than roleplay a prostitute on a server where you cannot roleplay the namesake act, things like playing darin swashbuckling adventurers and villains of intrigue.
But I guess the playerbase has gone and surprised me again.
Indeed.
RP'ing a prostitute is of course possible. Without having to lead to cyber-ban.
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Yes. I am sure you can afford Disco for a few hours. He's cheap. Of course, I hope you don't mind experimenting?
hmmm I could use disco for afew hours I'm sure and we would need to do some experimenting anyway, harm potions working when shifted in undead form to heal me could be tricky
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Xaviera wrote:
That is, you can fade to black and say "They go to the inn and have sex for an hour".
"They go to the inn to have a relaxing game of Chess" "They go to the inn to play Mummies and Daddies"
Phearnun wrote:
Its alright, I wanted to get the current rules explained, their reasoning and noticed that it seems not as a good idea to interdouce such kind of roleplay here, so I will just drop this character concept for amia.
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Eh... I understand the ban on cybering and it's a good rule, imo, but to outright ban the RP of a prostitute? It's kinda surprising considering the NPC prostitutes. What ever happened to not telling people how to RP, as long as they aren't breaking rules? Prostitutes can be RPed without breaking current rules, so whats the big deal? I really don't see the logic behind not wanting to allow it. It seems like it's more of a personal distaste for them or some moral standing than anything else.
If you don't want prostitution RP, why not just ban it and get rid of the NPCs? It's pretty easy to take a firm stand and be done with it once and for all.
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It's an interesting situation really:
I agree, it's not gonna be easy to RP a prostitute in the current rules environ, and probably something that if done, needs to be done VERY carefully by the players involved. *as well: There is still the issues of NPCs as brought up by Gunz, they're in at least one area of a major district of Cordor one of the more commonly travelled areas of the Mod*
However, this is something that's touchy ground to be sure as this topic's proving.
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I agree with Gunz completely. If something is not allowed, then it is not allowed (such as cybering), but debating over something that is not included in the rules leads to argument.
My opinion is that one of two steps should be taken:
1. Allow the RP of prostitutes, so long as rules are obeyed (whilst I have nothing against people that want to cyber, it is against the rules and I have everything against breaking rules);
2. Ban prostitution RP and remove the NPCs.
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Phearnun has basically said that he's not comfortable with the proposed character concept given Amia's current 'business model'. I dont see that this means we need to remove all reference to prostitution. As noted previously, it's all right to have as a back story, for instance. And just because PC's dont (currently) play Cordor councillors doesnt mean it's never happened in the past and that it cant be a backstory for some PCs. Nor, by analogy, does it mean that we have to remove the current councillors. PCs dont play gods either, but they've been known to show up from time to time.
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Xaviera wrote:
Phearnun has basically said that he's not comfortable with the proposed character concept given Amia's current 'business model'. I dont see that this means we need to remove all reference to prostitution. As noted previously, it's all right to have as a back story, for instance. And just because PC's dont (currently) play Cordor councillors doesnt mean it's never happened in the past and that it cant be a backstory for some PCs. Nor, by analogy, does it mean that we have to remove the current councillors. PCs dont play gods either, but they've been known to show up from time to time.
But there's a difference there. Gods are allowed on Amia,we just aren't allowed to pla them. If the objection is to prostitution itself, would it not fal under the same category as something like rape - it is allowed to be mentioned in backstory but my not be mentioned as happening on AMia, or even implied as having happened?
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I'm confused... why should Amia remove the NPC prostitutes?
I thought it was clear that it's cybering that is banned in Amia, not prostitution. Making a PC prostitute shouldn't be a problem as long as you fade to black.
Whether it would be wise to make one... most probably not.
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ticket wrote:
I'm confused... why should Amia remove the NPC prostitutes?
I thought it was clear that it's cybering that is banned in Amia, not prostitution. Making a PC prostitute shouldn't be a problem as long as you fade to black.
That's the assumption that sees to be causing problems. I agree with you that it shouldn't be a problem, but some do disagree, and think that prostitutes should be disallowed.
My point is that if prostittes is added into the rules as something that isn't allowed (e.g rape, graphic torture and cybering) then the NPCs should be removed,
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TormakSaber wrote:
I never said it was illegal, just that I like to think there's 50 billion cooler characters to play.
'Cool' is in the eye of the beholder.
Not everyone likes to play someone who goes into random dungeons and ruthlessly butchers the inhabitants who tried to merely defend themselves against the invasion of this monster.
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Yurell wrote:
TormakSaber wrote:
I never said it was illegal, just that I like to think there's 50 billion cooler characters to play.
'Cool' is in the eye of the beholder. Not everyone likes to play someone who goes into random dungeons and ruthlessly butchers the inhabitants who tried to merely defend themselves against the invasion of this monster.
I have to agree.
You can't appease everyone all the time but you can appease some of the people some of the time. Amia still hits a pretty broad range of characters and not all of them are Dungeon hunters or 'Adventurers' as you call them at least in the traditional sense.
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Xaviera wrote:
And just because PC's dont (currently) play Cordor councillors doesnt mean it's never happened in the past and that it cant be a backstory for some PCs. Nor, by analogy, does it mean that we have to remove the current councillors. PCs dont play gods either, but they've been known to show up from time to time.
That's a bad comparison. It's not a Player vs. DM issue, where DM can play councilors and Gods but players can't. It's a outright ban issue, like gore, like rape, like cybering. This is about a server wide ban, not a limitation placed on players. DM's can't use graphic and gorey text, can't RP rape or cyber, just like the rest of us.
The question is, if the DM team dislikes it and discourages it so much, why not just ban it? And if they ban it, I say, get rid of the prostitute NPCs so that a bad example is not set.
Honestly though, I still don't get why it's being discouraged. Why are hints at sexuality worse than hints at gorey violence? In other words, I can be a sick bastard Lovatari who tortures in a very gorey fashion and RP it in a way where I leave out the gorey details that can get me banned. But I can't RP a Sharessen prostitute who prostitutes on South Cordor street corners and RP it in a way where I leave out the sex details that can get me banned? Why?
TormakSaber wrote:
I never said it was illegal, just that I like to think there's 50 billion cooler characters to play.
But then that goes back to telling people how to RP. What's cool to you might suck to me. What's fun for me, might not be fun for you. That's the beauty of the versatile and free RP style we have on Amia.
In other words, I can be a sick bastard Lovatari who tortures in a very gorey fashion and RP it in a way where I leave out the gorey details that can get me banned. But I can't RP a Sharessen prostitute who prostitutes on South Cordor street corners and RP it in a way where I leave out the sex details that can get me banned? Why?
Because the server is hosted in the US and they generally and traditionally have less problems with violence then with sexually tinted stuff.
So in order to keep the proper age-rating limits for the server, they have to set up some rules. And in US (if you see how movies get rated) it goes:
Violence >>>>> gore >> drugs > sex
(Americans that think I'm attacking US here, get back down of your horses, I don't)
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In other words, I can be a sick bastard Lovatari who tortures in a very gorey fashion and RP it in a way where I leave out the gorey details that can get me banned. But I can't RP a Sharessen prostitute who prostitutes on South Cordor street corners and RP it in a way where I leave out the sex details that can get me banned? Why?
Because the server is hosted in the US and they generally and traditionally have less problems with violence then with sexually tinted stuff. So in order to keep the proper age-rating limits for the server, they have to set up some rules. And in US (if you see how movies get rated) it goes:
Violence >>>>> gore >> drugs > sex
That's basically it. It's mainly to protect the server owner from any potential liability, though I think that (as IronAngel implied) there's also a preference on the part of the DM team to exclude that sort of RP as not fitting the 'vision' they have for the server. I've seen some moderately nauseating drow sacrifice RP in which DMs described various acts (though not in gory detail) but, as belgian pointed out above, violence >> sex in the US. Must be their love of guns
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Xaviera wrote:
And just because PC's dont (currently) play Cordor councillors doesnt mean it's never happened in the past and that it cant be a backstory for some PCs. Nor, by analogy, does it mean that we have to remove the current councillors. PCs dont play gods either, but they've been known to show up from time to time.
That's a bad comparison. It's not a Player vs. DM issue, where DM can play councilors and Gods but players can't. It's a outright ban issue, like gore, like rape, like cybering. This is about a server wide ban, not a limitation placed on players. DM's can't use graphic and gorey text, can't RP rape or cyber, just like the rest of us.
Yes, you're right that DMs can do it and we can't. Still, players have been permitted to play councillors in the past, at least. And there are still some semi-active players, I think, who were councillors way back when. My point here is that just because something was once permitted and is no longer doesnt mean that we have to erase all reference to it.
Selmak wrote:
I'm yet to see anyone on Amia who plays a time traveller.
It's been done.
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I can only speak for myself, but others probably agree, to an extent.
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What ever happened to not telling people how to RP, as long as they aren't breaking rules? Prostitutes can be RPed without breaking current rules, so whats the big deal?
This is, if you don't mind me saying, quite silly and false. The thing is, selling yourself is breaking the rules. The entire argument falls flat once you realize this. What's against the rules and what's allowed is completely arbitrary. In this case, actively selling sexual favors to other PCs in game is against the rules. So yes, of course we tell you not to do it.
It's not prostitution that's bad. I don't care about NPC hookers, or stories of how your PC used to sell his stuff to the bored ladies of Waterdeep. It's just that I don't want to see players spending time in hotels, back allies and glades socializing, flirting, spending some intimate time and in general, setting up the stage for the likely cybering that will take place on MSN. That's not what Amia is for. We're a setting for you to adventure or take part in the daily life of a fantasy world. Not to gain sexual gratification and treat Amia as a dating forum.
I really don't want to see faction politics and such governed my the promise of sexual favors on MSN, again. Neither do I want to see rich, low-level players who gain access and influence everywhere, because they agree to cyber on MSN in return for stuff in game. It's not unheard of.
Is it a matter of subjective taste? Of course. I'm lucky to be in a position where my personal preferences affect the possibilities of all who play Amia. But then, lucky for you, I'm not the only one in such a position, so the general consensus (hopefully) remains quite tolerant and reasonable.
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The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
It's the same thing as with PKing: it's fine for NPCs to attack you on sight, repeatedly, without prior RP. It's equally fine for prostitutes to hang around the streets. It's just not what PCs are here for.
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On Joon, Kjetta wrote:
The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
It's just that I don't want to see players spending time in hotels, back allies and glades socializing, flirting, spending some intimate time and in general, setting up the stage for the likely cybering that will take place on MSN.
That's exactly where the original request is problematic. But if that sort of thing isnt happening, if the PC just emotes "They duck into the alley for 15 minutes" then there shouldn't be any issue.
I might even suggest that a prostitute character shouldnt be doing a lot of flirting as it takes time away from business. If they have a lover or a favourite client or two then sure, you can have your snuggle RP, but it shouldnt be much different from that which occurs with any regular character.
IronAngel wrote:
That's not what Amia is for. We're a setting for you to adventure or take part in the daily life of a fantasy world. Not to gain sexual gratification and treat Amia as a dating forum.
And if you're not running off to MSN every hour, if the transaction gets acknowledged but that's it, then there's presumably no sexual gratification occurring. You cant stop people offering fun times on MSN in exchange for favours. When it comes down to it, it still cant violate the other rules, like twinking.
Nor can you prevent characters from going to MSN from time to time if that's what they want. In fact, DMs dont know if someone's logged to go to MSN or just to do their laundry. It shouldnt matter if they're playing a prostitute or anything else, though seeing player A and player B logging off and logging on an hour later on repeated occasions might invite a review from the DMs. It should not be grounds for a ban since no rules have been broken, though it might prompt a review of the prostitute character. This is where the player has to be accountable to the DMs based on the original discussion with DMs and agreement on how the character will be played.
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