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Someone broke the second page. Can I know if any of my chars are too big?

Rob the packrats!

Nekhy wrote:

It's not fair to cause DMs excess work, when rebuilds go wrong thanks to big file sizes. It's not fair, that DMs have hard time possessing NPCs to run events when the server is full, because it's lagging so much (some DMs get lucky, like Tormak, but he seems an exception or maybe he's just saturated with lag). It's not fair that other players might get extra server lag from all the scripts running through massive inventories, hogging resources.

Okay, okay, fine. I see what the problem is, and I understand. Forget what I said. You should still post a list though so we can get this problem fixed ASAP.

Quietly on the 490KB border, so I'm fine.

In regards to rebuilds, though, maybe it'd be smarter to start doing them on B-mia during peak hours.

Yes, it generally is better to do rebuilds on B. I would wager if you could do it on B, you should. Ie, want a name change, hit a DM up on B, or ask one on A to assist you and go to B, as it is easier. This goes double if you want a rebuild.

We'll try to catch you ingame, public lists without people explicitly saying they wanna be named, aren't too nice. I'll also send PMs to people, hoping that they don't get bugged like PMs sometimes do.

Anyway, those who asked...

xordae, all clear so far.

mairacle_ninja, all clear so far.

Frey, just below 800KB. I bet you have some books or items with super-long descriptions that add bulk?

herkles, all your characters are out of 'danger zone'.

Yurell, same.

Guns, Willow is still a megatonner. But if she was 2MB, she's come down quite well.

Dahlya, all clear.

Selvec, all good.

I looked at characters above 700KB, btw. There was so many of them, it seems better to do some cleaning on the really heavy ones and not nitpick on every KB on those who are otherwise OK.

Neus Scario wrote:

Quietly on the 490KB border, so I'm fine.

In regards to rebuilds, though, maybe it'd be smarter to start doing them on B-mia during peak hours.

If you are above 800 Kb rebuilding will be Russian Roulette. If the DM holding your stuff saves his avatar he might crash, and you lose everything. If he looks in his inventory, he might crash, and you lose everything. Etc.

Ask Teufel, this happened to him. I also remember Letum's Zenith. Just looking at her inventory as a DM crashed the whole server.

Yeah, with big characters it doesn't matter where the rebuild is done. The chances it goes wonky are high.

On that matter, all rebuilds should be done on B, anyway...

People need to stop carrying around the Ark of the Covenant in their backpack, sheesh.

The funny thing is, that last time I checked for sizes there wasn't this many over 1MB's. Are people hoarding more or is there just more merchant PCs?

Dev Disco wrote:

Ask Teufel, this happened to him. I also remember Letum's Zenith. Just looking at her inventory as a DM crashed the whole server.

True story. It also happened to me >.>

Every time someone preaches about taking money away from characters, file sizes grow by 0.2 MB. :lol:

THEY'RE GONNA TAKE IT ALL! ACT QUICKLY!

I assume I'm fine, given I don't keep useless junk on my chap if I can at all avoid it.

TormakSaber wrote:

I honestly don't see it as an issue. Despite these filesizes, we don't seem to lag. It only comes up during rebuilds, and, well, all you packrats should know about how that goes by now. We'll trim it ourselves on the spot, and you probably won't like it, so slim it down yourself first.

i used to play on a server where one of those that made the multiplayer system for this game was...and he said the main issue that causes lags are first and foremost parties, then its bags..they did stress tests and it seems that people in partys causes massive strain on any system

File size on Darthy poo?

I'd like to know Mordena's and Sheyva's weight, too.

Nekhy wrote:

The funny thing is, that last time I checked for sizes there wasn't this many over 1MB's. Are people hoarding more or is there just more merchant PCs?

Job system stuff?

And you posted the top 20 or so the last time this topic came up, Nekhy, I dont see why you wouldnt this time. It'll save you some effort answering specific requests for info.

Hm. I havent exported Xavi recently, but her previous files seem to be near the 800 KB mark.

I got rid of a few extra little things and trashed about 5 books I forgot I even had that were huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge. I think that should make a pretty big difference. How am I now?

Kraniumbrud wrote:

i used to play on a server where one of those that made the multiplayer system for this game was...and he said the main issue that causes lags are first and foremost parties, then its bags..they did stress tests and it seems that people in partys causes massive strain on any system

That matches my observations, yes. Parties are hard to enforce, sadly. At least currently we don't have any good method for checking. Manual labour, individual checks.

The more people in a party the more it lags. Most parties, however, are formed of less than 6 people, or max 6 people. Makes adventuring somewhat difficult on Amia not to have a party. I'll not get into the part of readjusting each and every encounter on Amia to fit mini-parties or soloing... the results would be detrimental for RP, too.

Enter the next best thing: inventories.

Darthypoo is just over 800KB. Morena and Sheyva aren't in the critical limits.

And apparently I eventually posted the list two years ago. I don't think I should have, really, thinking now. My mistake.

o0GuNz_N_RoSeZ0o wrote:

I got rid of a few extra little things and trashed about 5 books I forgot I even had that were huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge. I think that should make a pretty big difference. How am I now?

You lost 100KB, exactly. About 250KB to go, preferably more.

Kraniumbrud wrote:

TormakSaber wrote:

I honestly don't see it as an issue. Despite these filesizes, we don't seem to lag. It only comes up during rebuilds, and, well, all you packrats should know about how that goes by now. We'll trim it ourselves on the spot, and you probably won't like it, so slim it down yourself first.

i used to play on a server where one of those that made the multiplayer system for this game was...and he said the main issue that causes lags are first and foremost parties, then its bags..they did stress tests and it seems that people in partys causes massive strain on any system

Above 1000 Kb you can't export your character, you are prone to crash the whole server, and rebuilds go horribly wrong. The game simply isn't made for that kinda stuff. It's far more than mere lag issues.

I'm wondering about the item "Paladin's Code".

The book that Paladin characters are automatically given. Its quite long and its untrashable. Could any KBs be saved by getting rid of it or changing the nature of its info to a Journal entry or something similar?

Can I get a check with my characters login Charles1810

What was Teshar's filesize?

Charles1810 wrote:

Can I get a check with my characters login Charles1810

You're below 700KB.

Mathias of Constantinople wrote:

What was Teshar's filesize?

1820KB originally. That's a record of sorts.

And yeah, the Paladin's code could be put on the forums and out of people's inventories... it's quite silly to have it. It's been auto-given for ages, time for something new and different.

Yay, Teshar loses the most.

..Lila's isn't too horrible, is it? I packrat, I know. I should really get rid of a bag of food, or two >_>.

Eir has a lot of garbage on him. Not sure if it's an overwhelming lot, though.

its not my fault I'm a shifter,but the shifter fix will fix everything

65+Intermediate and 40ish GreaterMythals might not be helping and alot of rings and heal potions

I was going to save them for DC requests based on what I needed after the shifter fix, and no not a 65d6 damage sword unless I can because I'll take a 60d6 magic damage sword for the good of the server

once the shifter fix is blanced and added I will know what I need and or want my size should drop like a fat kid on a teeter-totter, unless said teeter-totter and fat kid are on the moon.

edit:or unless it has two fat kids on each end that are the same wieght.... my enallage is failing me...

I somehow have the feeling I might be on that list?

All my characters are awesome, and clean of any packrat tendencies.

Burn ye witches.

for the sake of curiosity, what is isen's file size? my inventory is often pretty full...

also, i have a suggestion. Perhaps a rest menu option to check PC file size? I dont know how lag intensive an option like this would be, but people could use it before rebuilding, or it could be a script that fired on login, perhaps giving you a message if you are over say 800kb.

Amarice-Elaraliel wrote:

I somehow have the feeling I might be on that list?

Ding ding ding! We got a winner!

Dev Disco wrote:

Amarice-Elaraliel wrote:

I somehow have the feeling I might be on that list?

Ding ding ding! We got a winner!

*coughs* How much?

Lila is OK.

Zanthair is OK.

But Ama... not one character, not two characters, but three characters are over 600KB, two of them quite critical. Ry is 1300KB and Malandria over 900KB.

I guess you earn the Packrat title.

Zanthair wrote:

also, i have a suggestion. Perhaps a rest menu option to check PC file size? I dont know how lag intensive an option like this would be, but people could use it before rebuilding, or it could be a script that fired on login, perhaps giving you a message if you are over say 800kb.

That's not possible, afaik. But I'm trying to work out how the number of items correlates with the file size. It doesn't directly, I found out, so 500 items may be over 1200KB or it may be half of that.

Which is a bit of a bugger. I guess it has something to do with stackables.

D'oh.... I'll log in and rid some stuff....

who's the third? Amarice or Chandrima?

Chandrima. See what you got there first, to see what should be sold and what should be tossed.

Nekhy wrote:

It's really quite simple to reduce the size in the end:

(...)

- Get a storage item for stuff like gems. You won't be able to see the gems in your inventory, but they're safely tucked away nonetheless. You can't see your DCs and they're still there, so why do you need to see your gems or herbs?

Does this actually help? I'd thought about doing it before, but since most of the items like that I had didn't have long descriptions, I didn't think it would may any difference - when you storage something, you get a receipt to replace it, so you have just as many items in your inventory as before.

I got rid of quite a few useless things on my characters who hold the most, atm, but I doubt I was over 500KB anyways, but I guess it still helps either way.

Though, could I know for Aarizeir 'Dirnn', 'Ste' Dernan, Justin Kross and Klurth please? If any of them have an outstanding amount I'll make sure to lose more.

I didn't yet test it myself, but it's an item that stores several other items as variables (I think?). Then you can spawn said items when you have a need for them.

It's not the bank thingy, but a new widget you keep in your inventory.

LetumLux wrote:

Nekhy wrote:

It's really quite simple to reduce the size in the end:

(...)

- Get a storage item for stuff like gems. You won't be able to see the gems in your inventory, but they're safely tucked away nonetheless. You can't see your DCs and they're still there, so why do you need to see your gems or herbs?

Does this actually help? I'd thought about doing it before, but since most of the items like that I had didn't have long descriptions, I didn't think it would may any difference - when you storage something, you get a receipt to replace it, so you have just as many items in your inventory as before.

Quote:

About Gem Pouches
You can store up to 999999 gems of the same type in this pouch. Mind that this does not work with Job System generated gems, only the standard type you find in loot.

Use the pouch on a (stack) of gems to store them. You can also use the gem pouch on a container and you'll store all the suitable gems in it in one go.

Use the pouch on yourself to recreate gems.

This description will be replaced by the number of gems stored in the pouch. The pouch will get the name of the type of gems stored when you use it for the first time.

Tailor makes these. Check the Scroll and Bandage storage items as well.

Handy dandy.

Can you check Malag'Yaz 'Tath'olin' for me? I'm not exactly sure if he's a hoarder or not, but he does keep tossing things on the ground (might be for the constant lack of room in my somewhat unorganized inventory too..)?

I totally shouldn't ask.

MidnightPhantom
Mae'jani

She stopped exporting back in May so I can't even check her myself...

Mm, you can check Eir Shaji, too. I doubt he's as critical as he may have been at one point, but he does carry around a good bit of crap.

Dev Disco wrote:

LetumLux wrote:

Nekhy wrote:

It's really quite simple to reduce the size in the end:

(...)

- Get a storage item for stuff like gems. You won't be able to see the gems in your inventory, but they're safely tucked away nonetheless. You can't see your DCs and they're still there, so why do you need to see your gems or herbs?

Does this actually help? I'd thought about doing it before, but since most of the items like that I had didn't have long descriptions, I didn't think it would may any difference - when you storage something, you get a receipt to replace it, so you have just as many items in your inventory as before.

Quote:

About Gem Pouches
You can store up to 999999 gems of the same type in this pouch. Mind that this does not work with Job System generated gems, only the standard type you find in loot.

Use the pouch on a (stack) of gems to store them. You can also use the gem pouch on a container and you'll store all the suitable gems in it in one go.

Use the pouch on yourself to recreate gems.

This description will be replaced by the number of gems stored in the pouch. The pouch will get the name of the type of gems stored when you use it for the first time.

Tailor makes these. Check the Scroll and Bandage storage items as well.

Do we.. need to get one bag for each type of gem?

..And am I a guilty offender? I know Rras has a slew of gems, and Xyrkha is a merchant.

Malandria should be fine now. Can you check?

Dwagin wrote:

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Do we.. need to get one bag for each type of gem?

Yeah, but even with a few gems it will bring your filesize down. It's basically a kinda superstacker.

Dev Disco wrote:

Dwagin wrote:

[...]

Do we.. need to get one bag for each type of gem?

Yeah, but even with a few gems it will bring your filesize down. It's basically a kinda superstacker.

got anything like that for mythals and heal potions, because 100+ mythals and truck load of heal potions, I'm sure that would lower my number alot.

Weight Watchers of Amia - for people with large file sizes

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