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The Incognitos
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 Posted: Thu, Aug 06 2009, 1:13 AM |
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GreatPigeon wrote: 1 fighter pre-epic to make your bab 15, and one at level 30 for discipline dump.
Rogue level is 27-29 If you wish.
Cleric everything else, you will have Epic feats at levels
21,
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The fighter level and the 23rd and 26th cleric levels.
The other questions I have are regarding Stats and feats. I know what I need for Dev. Crit.... but how to get there? And the rogue is for tumble or UMD? _________________ Jess Incognito:- Ah, but the phoenix may fly only when its feathers are grown...
Olaf Grudgebringer: Stroppy Cleric or Morradin
Krunk (Underdark): Stay back! He's a bit mad.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Thu, Aug 06 2009, 1:16 AM |
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18str -> 26 (7 level ups. 1 Great Str)
8dex
8con -> 10 (Water genas bonus)
16wis -> 18 (2 Great Wis)
12 int
8cha -> 6 cha (Water genas racial thing)
Cleric 1 - 20
Pre-epic feats:
Extend Spell, Maximise Spell, Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Toughness, Weapon Focus Spear, Imp Critical Spear
Epic Feats:
Epic Weapon Focus, Armor Skin, Great Str 1
Fighter Bonus: Overwhelming, Devastating.
Epic Cleric Bonus: Great Wisdom I, II
Don't know about skills etc since you'll only have 3/level
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Thu, Aug 06 2009, 1:19 AM |
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I think that you'd need 19 wis to cast 9th levels spells correct? If going 26 cleric would almost be a shame not to get those 9th level spells...!
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Thu, Aug 06 2009, 1:31 AM |
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Could drop epic weapon focus for Gr. Wisdom III
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Thu, Aug 06 2009, 1:35 AM |
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Greater str 1 could be dropped too...
vs.
Epic WF..
Its dropping 1 ab and 1 damage
for
2 ab... I think id take the bit of higher AB...
I think....
_________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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The Incognitos
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Posted: Thu, Aug 06 2009, 3:30 AM |
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Ok, now how to make him with no Dev. Crit., in an effort to pick up EDK and still have a bit of combat power?
_________________ Jess Incognito:- Ah, but the phoenix may fly only when its feathers are grown...
Olaf Grudgebringer: Stroppy Cleric or Morradin
Krunk (Underdark): Stay back! He's a bit mad.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Thu, Aug 06 2009, 4:02 AM |
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Dev crit sucks with x3 weapon... By the time dev triggers for me the creature has 10 hp left or something. odds arent im our favor... You can skip cleave and great cleave per epic, and overwhelimg dev in epic... Still very good, Add in epic fort and epic disc for epic, and for pre epic, its up to you I guess!
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Morene Armande
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Posted: Thu, Aug 06 2009, 7:22 AM |
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MoshingChris wrote: Told you, you'd be back.
1. Nobody cares
2. It was to say sorry, Next time I'll piss off and I won't be nice, just to keep you happy.
I have my angry pants on.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Thu, Aug 06 2009, 8:09 AM |
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Location: Finland
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Nobody wants to see angrypants here, it's a thread of goodwill and lousy humour.
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Melcen
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Posted: Fri, Aug 07 2009, 17:02 PM |
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I cannot manage to find the old topic? Where is it? Anyone can help?
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IronAngel
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Posted: Fri, Aug 07 2009, 17:24 PM |
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Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Deleted, sadly.
Anyway, I got two options:
Epic Conjuration + EDK, 18 Str (melee cleric)
or
Great Fortitude, another pre-epic feat, 20 Str.
Not sure if the EDK is worth the loss of AB, damage, saves and whatever feat I would pick in addition.
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Melcen
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Posted: Fri, Aug 07 2009, 17:30 PM |
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Uhhhh! That explains why I cannot find it within hours!
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-Cloak-and-Dagger-
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Posted: Fri, Aug 07 2009, 17:51 PM |
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Does Devastating Critical (Unarmed) work when shapeshifted? The NWN Wiki page for Dragonshape says it doesnt work on that, but I'm wondering about Elemental Shape. 
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Fri, Aug 07 2009, 18:11 PM |
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Depends on if they are creature claws. Uce or someone more familiar with shapes could answer better but at this point i'd have to say no.
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Fri, Aug 07 2009, 18:52 PM |
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Location: England
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I've planned out a Monk, but Im stuck on the last feat on 30th.
It's either:
Epic Weapon Focus; Kama
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Epic Skill Focus; Disc
I don't know which I'd need more. Im guessing the Wep foc since I hardly ever do PvP on Amia.
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krytellan
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Posted: Fri, Aug 07 2009, 18:57 PM |
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-Cloak-and-Dagger- wrote: Does Devastating Critical (Unarmed) work when shapeshifted? The NWN Wiki page for Dragonshape says it doesnt work on that, but I'm wondering about Elemental Shape. Just happened to catch a much earlier post where Ruce stated that when you are shifted you are, in fact, using creature weapons and not unarmed. So I would think no on the DevCrit.
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krytellan
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Posted: Fri, Aug 07 2009, 18:58 PM |
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Anubis wrote: I don't know which I'd need more. Im guessing the Wep foc since I hardly ever do PvP on Amia.
I would say that makes the answer easy. Follow your gut.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Fri, Aug 07 2009, 19:03 PM |
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No Devcrits on creature weapons, kids. If you want the ultimate in DC whoring, it's Greatsword and Balor. There's a zillion ways of getting +12 STR onto that, although most rely on external buffing. It tops out at 48STR for a juicy 44DC.
For a Monk, PvM says Epic WF, PvP says Epic Discipline.
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-Cloak-and-Dagger-
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Posted: Fri, Aug 07 2009, 20:25 PM |
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Uberuce wrote: No Devcrits on creature weapons, kids. If you want the ultimate in DC whoring, it's Greatsword and Balor. There's a zillion ways of getting +12 STR onto that, although most rely on external buffing. It tops out at 48STR for a juicy 44DC.
A pity!
How about (Epic) Weapon Focus and Improved Critical. I assume the same creature weapon logic means they are pointless too?
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The Incognitos
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 1:27 AM |
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IronAngel wrote: Deleted, sadly.
Anyway, I got two options:
Epic Conjuration + EDK, 18 Str (melee cleric)
or
Great Fortitude, another pre-epic feat, 20 Str.
Not sure if the EDK is worth the loss of AB, damage, saves and whatever feat I would pick in addition.
I want the EDK(going to get an Oceanus Dragon for Valkur Cleric). Is it worth getting Str 18 when Divine Might takes my Str. to 18 anyway? Does the Divine Might stack with other Buffs? Does a Halberd make a cool Kraken Harpoon?
Was thinking of Water Genesai with 25 Cleric/4 Fighter for EWS Kraken Harpoon(Halberd), Imp. Knockdown and EDK(ESFConj.) Yes/No? Would I be better adding a level of rouge for Tumble? _________________ Jess Incognito:- Ah, but the phoenix may fly only when its feathers are grown...
Olaf Grudgebringer: Stroppy Cleric or Morradin
Krunk (Underdark): Stay back! He's a bit mad.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 2:15 AM |
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Location: London, UK
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yush, because with gear and maxed bull strength you will have 30 str easy all day long then mister! And div power most peopel like it not for the str bonus tehehe. Though on a dexer it can be pretty suprising!
_________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 7:16 AM |
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-Cloak-and-Dagger- wrote:
A pity!
How about (Epic) Weapon Focus and Improved Critical. I assume the same creature weapon logic means they are pointless too?
For reasons of Bioware, Improved Crit works, but none of the others do. Epic Prowess is the only AB raiser on the menu, being as it works on everything.
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-Cloak-and-Dagger-
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 12:21 PM |
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Right, okay then. That makes sense! 
OK. If the Dev Critting elemental is out, I'll fall back on a fun but flawed idea I had a while ago. I'm finally going to build it.
Lets see what everyone makes of this.
Gnome
Druid (30)
STR 8
DEX 10
CON 18 (21)
WIS 16 (20)
INT 14
CHA 8
Skills: Animal Empathy, Concentration, Heal, Spellcraft, Tumble(Crossclass), ?
Feats:
1. Toughness
3. Extend
6. Zen Archery (For before it can shift)
9. Empower
12. Improved Critical (Unarmed)
15. KD
18. IKD
21. ?
24. Epic DR1, ?
27. Epic DR2
28. ?
30. Epic DR3
A few DR items, extended Aura of Vitality and a potion of Rhino's Stamina, turn into Fire Elemental and its sitting on ~700HP with 30/+5, ~14/-, 42 Spell Resistance, all sorts of immunities, and a whole lot of regeneration. Dwarftastic!
The biggest problem, I think, is Damage Reduction. Stoneskin would eat it. It would have to rely on its pets and party to hand out the numbers.
Should I tweak it to get EDK? Prowess? Armour Skin? Only one spare regular epic feat and the Epic Druid bonus feat list is extremely underwhelming!
Any ideas how to tweak this idea to its maximum awesomeness? Multiclassing ideas to steal a few feats, without going overboard enough to kill the pet and the caster level?
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 12:35 PM |
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I dont see a Maximize Spell in there!
*slapslap*
I dont know much about druids, but from what I've seen DR would be a waste with them... You have an elemental summon (or EDK if you go that route), your Animal companion, an AE'd thingy. Mostly they would do all the fighting, sure the extra hp would be nice, but Idk if its worth losing everything else for it?
*blows on imaginary whistle*
The boy's will be here any minute.
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The Incognitos
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 12:37 PM |
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Help I can't make this work; Pure Monk human with quarterstaff? Every way I've tried to make it it has super-sucked. I'm happy with slightly sucking, but why super sucking dammit!?!
_________________ Jess Incognito:- Ah, but the phoenix may fly only when its feathers are grown...
Olaf Grudgebringer: Stroppy Cleric or Morradin
Krunk (Underdark): Stay back! He's a bit mad.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 12:41 PM |
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Because monks are made to use kamas or fists! Go Cleric/monk to use that quarterstaff, I think Chris has a Bitchin' build for it somewheres.
But if you insist on making it... You will lose the good ab monks get (-3 instead of -5), extra attacks per round, the 1d20 + gloves damage, Sure your AC will be pretty, but no epic dodge, no spells, hmmm.... I guess you will look cool and be able to emote
*Abdul leans on his heavy wooden staff, the middle section worn smooth with age, as he rests his grizzled face against it, he turns with a smile, it is cool to the tough - and pleasing to him*
Hell idk, what to tell ya mate!
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 13:39 PM |
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The Incognitos wrote: Help I can't make this work; Pure Monk human with quarterstaff? Every way I've tried to make it it has super-sucked. I'm happy with slightly sucking, but why super sucking dammit!?!
It doesn't super-suck, it semi-sucks. Go STR-based and fit a fourth attack in there. Monk25/Fighter5 is a plain, capable build. And yes, Flurry of Blows should work with Quarterstaff, but sadly it doesn't. _________________ UCE THIS, YOU COW.
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The Incognitos
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 14:17 PM |
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GreatPigeon wrote: Because monks are made to use kamas or fists! Go Cleric/monk to use that quarterstaff, I think Chris has a Bitchin' build for it somewheres.
But if you insist on making it... You will lose the good ab monks get (-3 instead of -5), extra attacks per round, the 1d20 + gloves damage, Sure your AC will be pretty, but no epic dodge, no spells, hmmm.... I guess you will look cool and be able to emote
*Abdul leans on his heavy wooden staff, the middle section worn smooth with age, as he rests his grizzled face against it, he turns with a smile, it is cool to the tough - and pleasing to him*
Hell idk, what to tell ya mate!
Man... not giving monk attacks with staff is easily the biggest flaw in the game; it sucks on so many levels. _________________ Jess Incognito:- Ah, but the phoenix may fly only when its feathers are grown...
Olaf Grudgebringer: Stroppy Cleric or Morradin
Krunk (Underdark): Stay back! He's a bit mad.
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Yurell
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 14:32 PM |
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I believe in PnP it works with staff.
That said hurts a lot to lose those nice attacks.
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The Incognitos
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 14:42 PM |
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Yurell wrote: I believe in PnP it works with staff.
That said hurts a lot to lose those nice attacks.
PnP it works with all monk weapons I think _________________ Jess Incognito:- Ah, but the phoenix may fly only when its feathers are grown...
Olaf Grudgebringer: Stroppy Cleric or Morradin
Krunk (Underdark): Stay back! He's a bit mad.
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QPR
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 15:24 PM |
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Location: Norway
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Since we are on monks: Any advice for a decent, pure, human monk? I would focus quite abit on wisdom, a minimum of 16 atleast, but dont know wether to put the rest in str or dex in terms of damage output vs AB and AC. And I would like to avoid putting fighter in it unless it is mandatory for not sucking completely.
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Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 18:06 PM |
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Well, the reason you don't see many pure monks is that there's not much in it after 20. Unless you're going for SR, that is.
So yeah, it would be better to take Fighter levels pre-epic for that extra AB, and enough Epic to get you Epic Weapon Specialization.
I'd just go Str/Wis and ignore Dex. You get AB from Str if it's higher than Dex, after all, and there's no need for Weapon Finesse. You'll have plenty of AC anyhow, but your damage and AB will stink.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 19:05 PM |
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There's a lot in it, really. More speed, SR, AC, feats and plain funkiness. Many take Improved SR feats, to be nastier against spellcasters, and it's a fairly good choice.
The damage won't stink, it'll be mediocre. And nu, don't ignore any of the abilities. Just max out as many as you can.
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QPR
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 19:50 PM |
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Well, i went with dex, and without feat increase, he will end with 14 str, 22 dex, 12 con and 16 wis. So now Im basicly wondering if trading one feat, 5-7 SR and 1 AC for 6 damage and an extra attack is worth it, both RP and powerwise. Do teh 6 damage make that much of a difference, or can he be OK even without it?
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Valygar 'Stonesnake' Stark -Human Ranger
Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
Dáin Saltbeard - Dwarven sailor and fencer. No, I'm not joking.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 20:02 PM |
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Forgot to add: I'd never make a DEX based level 30 Monk. Your damage will make baby Jesus cry blood and the fact that your dexterity score is huge, but you still don't have Epic Dodge will make you pull your hair off.
Currently working on a Monk20/Rogue10 myself, I find it as the most tolerable DEX-based monk.
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QPR
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Posted: Sat, Aug 08 2009, 20:15 PM |
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Well, I'll just have to suffer through it. Str focus wouldnt fir teh char much really. But since I went str, would you say EWS is more or less mendatory?
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Valygar 'Stonesnake' Stark -Human Ranger
Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
Dáin Saltbeard - Dwarven sailor and fencer. No, I'm not joking.
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swe_west_coast
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Posted: Sun, Aug 09 2009, 9:55 AM |
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Uberuce wrote: If you want the ultimate in DC whoring, it's Greatsword and Balor. There's a zillion ways of getting +12 STR onto that, although most rely on external buffing. It tops out at 48STR for a juicy 44DC.
That means diluting the druid build, putting most/all of the feats in combat feats and getting at least 4 levels of fighter nerfing the companion down. Still, you must be able to cast a level 9 druid spell that only lasts 1turn/level. Are there actually any good builds around this concept?
It feels intuitively like a build based on fighter/wizard(sorc) would be better. There is one called Magical marauder here:
http://nwn.bioware.com/underdark/character_magicalmarauder.html
that also is based on fighter/wizard using a greatsword. Can it be tweaked for just 30 levels, instead of 40, so the Shapechange spell can turn it to a useful balor? Any ideas are appreciated.
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QPR
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Posted: Sun, Aug 09 2009, 10:04 AM |
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Allright then, seeing if I can make that monk works as str based. So, the basics:
race: Human, Ffolk subrace
stats after subrace:
str: 15 (22)
dex: 14
con: 12
wis: 16
int: 10
cha: 8
Skills to max: Diciplin, Heal, Lore, Tumble, Listen
So if i go straight level 30 monk with this, how will AC and AB be? Im mostly concerned of making a monk that is very though to take down, both in melee and by mages, and isnt too crappy on the offence either. Planning to use both monk bonus feats for improved SR, ending with a (I think) nice 44 SR.
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Valygar 'Stonesnake' Stark -Human Ranger
Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
Dáin Saltbeard - Dwarven sailor and fencer. No, I'm not joking.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sun, Aug 09 2009, 10:43 AM |
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Well, it's pretty easy to do the AC/AB maths yourself, simply on paper, or try it out in a test module. Whenever you make builds, you should obviously run them through in game to see you didn't mess up.
What feats? You'll have 6 Epic feats, and improved SR will eat those, so you'll have a hard time fitting Epic Discipline, EWF, Armor Skin and Epic Prowess in there.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Sun, Aug 09 2009, 10:45 AM |
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Two Improved SRs taken on monk bonus feats, Armour Skin, EWF, ESF Discipline, Epic Prowess.
It isn't harder than that.
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Posted: Sun, Aug 09 2009, 10:56 AM |
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Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Location: Norway
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With maxed dex, wis and str, wearing +4 items and having armourskin, WF, EWF and epic prowess, I get 47 AC and and 40 AB
I suppose that isnt all too bad? And just how good is 44 SR in PvM?
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"Edwin do this, Edwin do that. Somebody get this jerk a banana!" - Edwin, BG II
Valygar 'Stonesnake' Stark -Human Ranger
Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
Dáin Saltbeard - Dwarven sailor and fencer. No, I'm not joking.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Sun, Aug 09 2009, 11:04 AM |
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Joined: 10 Jul 2007
Location: Finland
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You'll basically be immune to magic.
_________________ UCE THIS, YOU COW.
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QPR
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Posted: Sun, Aug 09 2009, 11:08 AM |
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Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Location: Norway
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Anything else i should change, or are the stats looking fine and dandy enough?
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"Edwin do this, Edwin do that. Somebody get this jerk a banana!" - Edwin, BG II
Valygar 'Stonesnake' Stark -Human Ranger
Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
Dáin Saltbeard - Dwarven sailor and fencer. No, I'm not joking.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Sun, Aug 09 2009, 11:16 AM |
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Joined: 10 Jul 2007
Location: Finland
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On a quick check, looking good, although I'd rather max Hide and MS instead of Lore and Heal.
And I'd say your AC will be around 50, probably more. Those abilities are terribly easy to max.
_________________ UCE THIS, YOU COW.
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The Incognitos
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Posted: Sun, Aug 09 2009, 11:48 AM |
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Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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Look! Something is wrong here, this isn't supposed to be a super killer build, but I put it all together and it seems to work. This made me suspicious all things considered.
It's a Rouge(13)/Fighter(17) with Epic Dodge, mega maxed Parry(ESF, Imp. Parry, max. ranks), Imp. Knockdown, Imp. Two Weapon Fighting, EWS and Imp. Crit. Rapier, EWF Dagger*, ESF Discipline, Toughness and maxed Listen and Spot.
The basis is a duelist/body guard. Ends up with 6 attacks, 60+ Parry and Epic Dodge. Now, will the BAB be too low for this to work? How does Imp. KD work with Parry? Is it just a matter of turning off the combat mode? It would appear that this guy could weather the worlds supply of attacks, then pour on a good deal of damage when the Knockdown works... what am I missing? Parry never works
*Or other Light offhand weapon. I abhor dual wielding rapiers, it's stupidly impractical. The two feats for this offhand weapon could be used for Epic Prowess and Epic Toughness(or something)
_________________ Jess Incognito:- Ah, but the phoenix may fly only when its feathers are grown...
Olaf Grudgebringer: Stroppy Cleric or Morradin
Krunk (Underdark): Stay back! He's a bit mad.
the_incognitos@live.com
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QPR
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Posted: Sun, Aug 09 2009, 12:09 PM |
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Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Location: Norway
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Taking 8 levels of rogue pre-epic only robbs you of 2 BAB, so that shoudl work. Would be awesome if you just wielded a rapier in one hand and nothing in the other though, and had a hat, coat, and white tights like 1700 France 
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"Edwin do this, Edwin do that. Somebody get this jerk a banana!" - Edwin, BG II
Valygar 'Stonesnake' Stark -Human Ranger
Garret Smith - Archer and peddler of deity-statuettes
Dáin Saltbeard - Dwarven sailor and fencer. No, I'm not joking.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Sun, Aug 09 2009, 12:10 PM |
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Joined: 10 Jul 2007
Location: Finland
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Toughness is silly and Rogue13/Fighter16/Ranger1 would be a good bit better. But surely, any Rogue13/Fighter16/Some other class, is better. I'd personally go with more Rogue.
_________________ UCE THIS, YOU COW.
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AmianPlayer
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Posted: Sun, Aug 09 2009, 12:39 PM |
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Joined: 21 Apr 2009
Location: GMT+2
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I read this one some time ago ....
GreatPigeon wrote: bard 23/bg3/fighter 4, tuigan scimitar dev crit, NEXT ^ this will get ya hated, but ya are cool  Or be cool Bard 21, SD 7. 2 rogue (make some traps go hips and trap mastah kick ass!) I wanna be cool :-p
And I was wondering, how does it work? You craft, you set, you "flee", you kill? And I guess that only works at PvP, or otherwise takes too much time for PvM. Traps aside, any luck with melee/ranged/direct combat? (traps are more or less indirect, I suppose.)
I need some general guidelines for the Bard 21/Sd7/Rog2 build. Where to spend the skill points, what the useful feats are, that kind of thing ...I am not too familiar with the Bard class yet.
The character would be a human, preferably dex-based and of course a sneaky fellow. I like dual-wield, kukri's or short swords. Also, I'd prefer to focus on the PvP part.
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-Starless_Day_Dawning.
[*]Naethar Olderon
[*]Risenth Zagavar
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sun, Aug 09 2009, 14:10 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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Dont worry about dual wield, its not needed. Using a bow would work well with the pvp trap plan. You HiPs set traps, keep doing this, then shoot and lure!
Dont worry about damage on the bard... Bard = HEY DUDE COME TO ABYSS WITH ME.
Bard Song rocks. Im pretty sure Bards get hide/ms as a skill.
Skills could be Discipline, Concentration, Hide, MS, Set Trap, Disarm Trap, Spellcraft, and 1 point in everything else! huzzah Bard Song!
I can play with it some, but let the real builder have first crack at it I reckon, They've not even given me my junior builders card yet!
_________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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sylvan_shadow
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Posted: Sun, Aug 09 2009, 20:46 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2008
Location: Ottawa, ON
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I'm looking for some advice on a character I've been considering making: a dwarven bard! I'm seriously thinking about going just straight bard, which I'm sure is bringing a smile to uncle-opustus' face right now, and I really haven't made a bard before. Lasting inspiration and curse song are obviously going to be a must too. I want to use a typically dwarf-like weapon as well. I'm just very unsure about a few things, such as stats. Str or dex based? Any feats I should probably take. Any advice would be welcome
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Amand Saelir - Blade dancer, master of the arcane
Haelar Stoneskull - Man-pretty Gold Dwarven Stonesinger
"Duty is heavier than a mountain, death is as light as a feather" Borderland Saying from Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time series
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