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GreatPigeon
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4 skill poitns from ranger, 2 from intel, 1 from human = 7
Discipline, Spot, AE, Tumble, UMD, Set trap, disarm trap..
AE doesnt need to be maxed... rings that give +12 are so easy to get. my 20 with 1 ring wins 90 pct of the time...
set trap and disarm are good options i believe... good rp.. remember you can buff easily to squeeze into leather armor...
hide/ms are options... wont work against spotters but 70pct of server you could corner sneak and get jump on... ranger spells give you +24 to hide... in full plate and tower shield i ahve +10 to hide with 0 ranks in hide...
just an idea... pretty easy with ranger/rogue levels to have
70 hide 50 ms pretty easy in alternate gear... is this enough?
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:50 PM |
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I just noticed that we already had skill focus spot on the original build Pigeon. What should I replace that epic spot in fighter with?
Edit: I see, should have left it as overwealming crit to score some decent hits.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:54 PM |
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IronAngel wrote: 20 Clr -> 20/4/1 Clr/Ftr/Rog
14 Str
8 Con
8 Dex
14 Int (might swap 2 points to Con)
16 (24) Wis
15 (18 ) Cha
Craft Wand (RP purposes - not sure if I'll keep it or not)
Extend Spell
Maximize Spell
Extra Turning
Power Attack + Divine Might
WF+EWF+WS+EWS (Dart)
Zen Archery
Armor Skin
Great Wisdom IV
Is this better? What more should I fix? Divine Shield over Extra Turning? I guess not?
10 Con would be better, 12 Int is just enough to get enough Lore for RP, Tumble, UMD, Spellcraft and Concentration. Thing is, I wouldn't have to rebuild if I settled with 8 Con, apparently.
Would Opustus play this?
he woudlnt play it, it doesnt have epic skill focus spot or disclipline... Id take 2 less greater wisdom, and 2 less wis at start... those 2 poitns of wisdom cost you 6 points. put said 6 points into constition for +90 hp what you have now, at cost of i think a level 7th spell and 2 point to ur DC...
Id take divine shield over craft wand, but im not super builder man..
Those last 2 feats at the end instead of greater wis, id say epic prowess and epic spot? _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:57 PM |
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Selvec Darkon wrote: I just noticed that we already had skill focus spot on the original build Pigeon. What should I replace that epic spot in fighter with?
Edit: I see, should have left it as overwealming crit to score some decent hits.
overwhelming crit requres cleave and great cleave not an option matey... skill focus pre epic, and epic focus in epic?
gah... _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:57 PM |
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IronAngel wrote: True, but you can get both Point Blank Shot and Rapid Shot from items on Amia.
Man, I wish I knew these things. 
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:58 PM |
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No room (or interest) for spot.
Craft Wand will be dropped or kept on RP basis, one of the few criteria the build'll have to adhere to. (Another being no Monk.) I do wish I didn't have to take a feat for it. >_>
2 DC is a lot, really. And going from 36 Wisdom to 32 Wisdom means one less spell levels 1, 4, 5, 8 and 9. It nerfs the casting ability of what is primarily a support character a good bit.
But then, I wonder if I could dish decent damage without Divine Might altogether? The build would be so much easier, if I didn't have to worry about Charisma.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 13:00 PM |
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GreatPigeon wrote: Selvec Darkon wrote: I just noticed that we already had skill focus spot on the original build Pigeon. What should I replace that epic spot in fighter with?
Edit: I see, should have left it as overwealming crit to score some decent hits. overwhelming crit requres cleave and great cleave not an option matey... skill focus pre epic, and epic focus in epic? gah... Copy and focus where changes are needed then. But current I have this epic levels.
Epic Feats:
Armor skin
Epic Weapon Focus
Weapon Spec
Epic Skill Focus: Discipline or (Second starting stats) Dev Crit.
Ranger epic at levels:
23- Bane of Enemies
30- Epic Skill Focus: Spot
Fighter:
24-Prowess
25- ???
27- Epic Weapon Spec: Greataxe
Also skill focus spot in pre epic.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 13:02 PM |
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-Cloak-and-Dagger- wrote: IronAngel wrote: True, but you can get both Point Blank Shot and Rapid Shot from items on Amia. Man, I wish I knew these things. Its good to be a DM huh...
OMG i just noticed my title raving drunk is gone!
Can we change it to
Drunken Zombie ?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 13:06 PM |
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Has nothing to do with being a DM. These are things you pick up as you play the game, visit shops and talk to people. Over the course of this topic and its predecessors, those items have come up at least a dozen times, for example.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 13:10 PM |
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I have to admit I have seen that Rapid shot & Point Blank bracer around before.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 13:15 PM |
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@Selvec - Greater Fortitude maybe
@IronAngel- I was teasin  _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 13:22 PM |
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Eh, I'll toss something in.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 13:41 PM |
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I'll have a free spot in pre-epic interestingly enough. Wondering if I should drop strong soul and toss in cleave, then score great cleave with the extra pre epic feat. Seem's we forgot about the extra feat humans get. Then I could get overwealming strike in that free spot.
Edit, Edit: Nevermind, forgot a feats
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 14:56 PM |
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Hmh.. Kjetta is tempting me to the Lawful side.
So if we were to scratch the above Clr/Ftr/Rog build, what would be the best Cleric/Monk build you can offer me?
I want to use cloth armor. As a weapon, a one-handed ranged weapon and a quarterstaff for melee. I guess I might as well focus on the quarterstaff, instead of the sling/darts.
Gonna try building a 23/4/3 Clr/Ftr/Monk now. I'll post the outcome later.
Edit: No, that's bad. 3 Monk means no Tumble-dump, because I will obviously want my AC before lvl 27. Should I simply drop Weapon Specialization, I wonder.
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jafman30
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 15:11 PM |
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Just a quick question, for a sneaker its alright to trade spring attack for stealthy right?
And Iron, Str based?
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 15:14 PM |
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Oh no. Wisdom/Charisma, I reckon. Divine Might, Shield, the usual.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 15:15 PM |
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Selvec Darkon wrote: I'll have a free spot in pre-epic interestingly enough. Wondering if I should drop strong soul and toss in cleave, then score great cleave with the extra pre epic feat. Seem's we forgot about the extra feat humans get. Then I could get overwealming strike in that free spot.
Edit, Edit: Nevermind, forgot a feats
3d6 extra whenever you are hitting about 160+ seems kinda wasteful when you gotta do 3 feats to get it. _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 15:15 PM |
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jafman30 wrote: Just a quick question, for a sneaker its alright to trade spring attack for stealthy right?
And Iron, Str based?
Dotn need spring attack if you have what is it 15 ranks in tumble? _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 15:19 PM |
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IronAngel wrote: Oh no. Wisdom/Charisma, I reckon. Divine Might, Shield, the usual.
I will play with it... id give up on the quarterstaff though. Whats your race..
I had an aasimar build on my old computer but i can play with this and see. _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 15:22 PM |
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Human.
And nope, quarterstaff is a must, if I'm gonna do a melee build. If I wanted the optimal Divine Might Cleric, I could do the same build everyone does, but the cool factor outweighs a few points of damage, to me.
I'm told 6 Monk would be awesome. It would net me free IKD, some extra AC and no trouble with the Tumble-dumping. But then, it would leave me without EWS.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 15:23 PM |
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 18:37 PM
To Pidges last post @ 23:19
You three chaps predominantly managed to spam a full page of posts. . .
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 15:28 PM |
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IronAngel wrote: Human.
And nope, quarterstaff is a must, if I'm gonna do a melee build. If I wanted the optimal Divine Might Cleric, I could do the same build everyone does, but the cool factor outweighs a few points of damage, to me.
I'm told 6 Monk would be awesome. It would net me free IKD, some extra AC and no trouble with the Tumble-dumping. But then, it would leave me without EWS.
Screw EWS. I know a lass making a Quaterstaff wielding Cleric Monk 24/6 of Isis.
Its a bit tweaky, as in you are buffing all the time (Div Might or Divine Favor or some other short term buff) but by the nine its awesome to watch someone actually use the Quaterstaff in combat.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 15:28 PM |
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Its not about damage my man/lady... There with wis and charisma based you lack any ab for melee *grimace*.
Also going monk.cleric means investing sme points in dex, quarterstaff is not a light weapon ( i dont think) so weapon finesse doesnt help there either.
Yes 6 monk gives you IKD... but its AB-4 to hit.. and only in melee. Your AB will be great if you love all over your wisdom and cha... You have a great DC and be a supporting caster.
_________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 15:30 PM |
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MoshingChris wrote: Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 18:37 PM
To Pidges last post @ 23:19
You three chaps predominantly managed to spam a full page of posts. . .
shup... he had somethign good and now is changing it up... this is my anti-sleep... i am so tired i cant sleep _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 16:01 PM |
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Before it gets Tangential again.
@ Iron: I reckon this is what your after
23 Cleric 1PDK 6 Monk is the Melee/Buff build that i'm speaking of.
Plain Jane Human
14 Str 14 dex 16(24)wis (+7 from level ups +1 great wis) 14int 10con 8cha
Pre-epic 16 Cleric 3 Monk 1 PDK (Stagger Monk at Tumble Intervals and get PDK early on)
Feats: Extend Spell, Maximise, Silent Spell, Spell Focus Evo, Greater Spell Focus Evo, WF: Quaterstaff, Imp Critical Quaterstaff, Mounted Combat (Requires 1 Ride)
Epic: Armor Skin, Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Spell Focus Evocation, 1 free
Epic Cleric Bonus: Great Wis 1
Required PDK Skills: intimidate 1 rank, listen 2 ranks, persuade 1 rank, ride 2 ranks, spot 2 ranks
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 21:20 PM |
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And if you go pdk then you can hang out with my bard adn they can do whatever it is pdks do!
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 22:24 PM |
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GreatPigeon wrote: Its not about damage my man/lady... There with wis and charisma based you lack any ab for melee *grimace*.
Also going monk.cleric means investing sme points in dex, quarterstaff is not a light weapon ( i dont think) so weapon finesse doesnt help there either.
Yes 6 monk gives you IKD... but its AB-4 to hit.. and only in melee. Your AB will be great if you love all over your wisdom and cha... You have a great DC and be a supporting caster.
AB wouldn't be a big problem: clerics are always running at full BAB, thanks to Divine Power, and a buffed Str of 26 isn't too bad. Add to this: Bless, Aid, Prayer and Battletide. (I think they all stack, to a total of +5 AB, no?) In the end, I wouldn't be running with any less AB than a non-WM mundane tank who had no cleric buffs. And besides: if you have a bit low AB, it's best to make sure the hits that do land hurt harder.
Granted, going melee lacks the one thing that makes ranged weapons particularly appealing: getting to use Wisdom AB, AC, Spell DC and Bonus Spell Slots. I just can't help it, the quarterstaff is so much more awesome than darts or a sling. It's the coolest weapon in the game, hands down.
I don't get that build, Moshing. Some explanations? What does Mounted Combat even do without horses? Evocation just for Implosion DC, or is there another reason?
What do you reckon are the greatest pros and cons of going 3/4 Monk/Ftr with EWS, or 6 Monk? The latter has more AC, granted. It somewhat makes up for the loss of three (epic) feats by giving KD and IKD for free, too. But it's still 6 points of damage off every hit.
Also: is 16 base Charisma too little to bother with Divine Might/Shield at all? I'm really starved for feats and ability points on a 24/6 build. Gotta drop Armor Skin altogether. _________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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Leggomi Eggolas
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 23:26 PM |
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With Wisdom based clerics (Especially Zen-Archers), I have never had AB problems.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 1:16 AM |
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GreatPigeon wrote: Selvec Darkon wrote: I'll have a free spot in pre-epic interestingly enough. Wondering if I should drop strong soul and toss in cleave, then score great cleave with the extra pre epic feat. Seem's we forgot about the extra feat humans get. Then I could get overwealming strike in that free spot.
Edit, Edit: Nevermind, forgot a feats 3d6 extra whenever you are hitting about 160+ seems kinda wasteful when you gotta do 3 feats to get it. True that.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 2:50 AM |
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Angke, for some reason I was thiking you were gonna be at 10 str to start, ya you will have plenty of str....
and for 16 charisma... He will have maxed cha spell.. and cha is not hard to come by.
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 3:25 AM |
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IronAngel wrote: what would be the best Cleric/Monk build you can offer me?
I want to use cloth armor. As a weapon, a one-handed ranged weapon and a quarterstaff for melee. I guess I might as well focus on the quarterstaff, instead of the sling/darts.
Edit: No, that's bad. 3 Monk means no Tumble-dump, because I will obviously want my AC before lvl 27. Should I simply drop Weapon Specialization, I wonder.
Try a Shuriken throwing 26cleric/3monk/1rogue. You can whore up your Wisdom, nab epic spell evocation for power implosions. Be primarily a caster that can hold on its own in fights (then again, what cleric can't?).
Or if you're leaning on the evil side... go 25 Cleric/3 Monk/2 Assassin for that handy uncanny dodge.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 3:38 AM |
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Shuriken? No. Sling? Yes.
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Shuriken needs love too! 
Being a monk, you won't be carrying any shield anyways.
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 4:41 AM |
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don't shurikens deal d3 damage and have no mighty?
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 4:59 AM |
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Yep. Plus they're more annoying to keep stock of in the middle of a fight. They also do slash damage vs bludgeon damage on a sling!
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Yeap. Admittedly, it's better suited to the 9Monk/15Rogue/6SD combo imo. But a cleric/monk/rogue might be able to carry it well.
No might only means that you can sit happily with 8 str. Put your points elsewhere like WIS, DEX, CON, INT... be an AB whore and use those called shots to slowdown/weaken enemies.  High WIS means high spot/listen skills too and better spell DCs.
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corypx
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 5:09 AM |
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Joined: 14 Oct 2006
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what about darts, if your a cleric cant you Divine power get 18str+ for extra 4+ damage with them or something?
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 5:19 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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ticket wrote: Yeap. Admittedly, it's better suited to the 9Monk/15Rogue/6SD combo imo. But a cleric/monk/rogue might be able to carry it well. No might only means that you can sit happily with 8 str. Put your points elsewhere like WIS, DEX, CON, INT... be an AB whore and use those called shots to slowdown/weaken enemies. High WIS means high spot/listen skills too and better spell DCs. 8 str will actually give you -1 damage so your shuriken now only do 1d2! :O
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ticket
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 5:40 AM |
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Joined: 02 Jan 2009
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corypx wrote: What about darts? Hmm that does sound better, forgot about the 18 STR bonus with divine power. But... SHURIKENS! How cool are they, huh? Ninja beats all. TormakSaber wrote: 8 str will actually give you -1 damage so your shuriken now only do 1d2! :O
No mighty on shuriken = no penalty on negative STR.  Perfect for 6 str hins.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 8:55 AM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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It's a Divine Might build, I'll have 14 Str anyway. If I do ranged, I'll go with the earlier Clr/Ftr/Rog and slings or darts. There's little point taking Monk for that build, because:
- I can use a shield, which somewhat nullifies the monk's AC benefit.
- I have no use for Cleave and IKD, which are some of the main attractions of going Monk 6
- I will have little to buff my damage with.
Now, the strongest argument for taking Monk on a sling/dart build, I guess, is that I'll be able to use cloth effectively. That's a big factor for me, because the Oghmanyte kantlara is a cloth vest. Armor is boring. If I was using a two-handed ranged weapon (like Luthor's crossbow), Monk would be much more useful.
At this point, I'm not sure if sling/dart or quarterstaff is the cooler choice. It's an Oghmanyte priest, though, not a ninja: no silly shuriken! Before I make a choice, I'd just like to get my hands on the best Sling/Dart Cleric build and the best Quarterstaff/Cloth armor cleric build. (Using no other classes than Cleric, Monk, Fighter, Rogue, Bard, CoT, Harper Scout, PDK and possibly Ranger or WM.)
Anyway, any suggestions about that Quarterstaff build? Should I just ditch Divine Might altogether, and go for a default Str/Wis Clr/Monk? Divine Might is cool, though: he's not a mighty warrior, but his faith grants him the means to stand up to one. I'm specifically going for a (young) Brother Tuck or "David and Goliath" theme, not a badass martial artist. _________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 13:41 PM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Eheh, there's really no point going Divine Might on a melee build like this, is there?
I'll get the same damage from Str, only permanently, plus AB. I can spend more points in Wisdom for the AC.
Back to the drawing board.
_________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 13:51 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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Div Shield FTW... plus coolness of glowing red... geez
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 14:10 PM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Glowing red is the cheesiest thing ever. Besides, it's only for lame evil guys.
Divine Shield is temporary AC. Anything I get from Wis and Dex is permanent, so it seems pointless to invest points in Cha if I can use those to get just as high a modifier in another stat.
_________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 15:02 PM |
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Cleric 17/Monk3 going Cleric 24/Monk 6
Str 15 (16)
Dex 12
Con 12
Wis 16 (24)
Int 10
Cha 10
Craft Wand
Extend Spell
Maximize Spell
SF+GSF (Evocation)
Toughness
WF (Quarterstaff)
Imp. Crit.
Armor Skin
EWF
ESF (Evo)
Great Wisdom II
What say you of this? I'm a preacher, so I don't want to lower Cha to 8, even if it would be smart. I guess I could go for 23/6/1 (ranger or fighter) for that extra bonus feat, such as Great Wis III (swapping Armor Skin or ESF as the final class bonus feat), and start with 2 more Con or Dex. Not sure if a loss of caster level is worth the feat, though?
_________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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Kjetta
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 16:53 PM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2006
Location: A Clean, Well-Lighted Place
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Anyone know how Evil Blight works? I'm confused by the fact that the visual effect always target the caster even if you target someone else.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 17:22 PM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Location: Near the bar.
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Kjetta
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 17:26 PM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2006
Location: A Clean, Well-Lighted Place
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Seen that, but I was unsure if it actually worked. Because of the strange vfx targetting. Hmm. Guess I'll have to test.
_________________ To err is human; to forgive divine, but VENGEANCE IS MINE!
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jafman30
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 20:11 PM |
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Joined: 09 Feb 2009
Location: The Land of Confusion.
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According to that page it is a will save vs. -3 to every stat, but it is now non-existant on casual NWN. Only items like the scrolls :/
But you probably figured that much out!
EDIT: Scratch that, i read the first words of your first post Kjetta, then the first words of your second and figured you didnt know what it did altogether *facepalms himself until he is unconsious*
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Uberuce
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 20:47 PM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Location: Near the bar.
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Yep, it works. Set a Winterwight onto something via DM oogly powers and watch the stats on the other fella, if you don't believe me.
Or, if you're not a DM, pick a sparring match with a Palemaster who doesn't Devcrit off a scimitar and see if your stats drop by three once the WW hits you. (Statistically, you are more likely to become or already be a DM than find such a PM before the Devcritter)
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TheNamelessUnknown1
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Posted: Sun, Jul 26 2009, 21:11 PM |
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Joined: 23 May 2009
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a friend of mine asked me to make a tiefling dev critting sneaker, this is what i came up with i was hoping you guys could give some advice on the build
fighter/weapon master/shadow dancer
tiefling
1. fighter, weapon focus, cleave
2. fighter, dodge
3. fighter, expertise
4. fighter, weapon specialization
5. fighter, mobility
6. fighter, whirlwind attack, spring attack
7. weapon master
8. weapon master
9. weapon master, improved critical
10. weapon master
11. weapon master
12. weapon master, blind fight
13. weapon master
14. fighter
15. fighter, knockdown, improved knockdown
16. fighter
17. fighter, great cleave
18. fighter, power attack
19. fighter, improved expertise
20. fighter
21. shadow dancer, epic weapon focus
22. shadow dancer
23. shadow dancer
24. shadow dancer, overwhelming critical
25. shadow dancer
26. shadow dancer
27. fighter, armor skin, epic weapon spec
28. fighter
29. fighter, devastating critical
Last edited by TheNamelessUnknown1 on Sun, Jul 26 2009, 22:11 PM, edited 1 time in total.
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