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Selvec Darkon
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 Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:32 AM |
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ticket wrote: Probably not for you Selvec but here's a Ranger 30 build that could be interesting. He has 10 favored enemies, decent AB and damage, fights with and relies heavily on his animal companion, but very mediocre AC and HP.
He's got some Dex so he could wear the Kumakawa armor. Maybe use the power of the Chult and leave your CHA at 6 to squeeze some more oomph in the build.
Ranger(30), Human
STR: 17 (24)
DEX: 12
CON: 10
WIS: 14
INT: 13
CHA: 8
Pre-epic feats:
Luck of Heroes
Power Attack
Cleave
Knockdown
Improved Critical: Greataxe
Improved Knockdown
Weapon Focus: Greataxe
Blind Fight
Epic feats:
Bane of Enemies
Epic Weapon Focus: Greataxe
Armor Skin
Epic Prowess
Hopefully 10 favored enemies will be enough cover 95% of Amian creatures.
Yikes, 10 CON, your not kidding. Alternatively I could take Tuigan, knock up the STR, lower to the original starting STR stat, and run up the CON, and reapply the dex to 12. Not sure what the 13 INT is for, certainly not skill points given that hide and move silently aren't needed anymore since it's STR based.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:34 AM |
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@ticket
I wouldnt take luck of heroes or cleave...
Heros gives you +1 to all saves? meh...
Cleave in epic only realyl gives 1 free attack every 3-4 rounds or so? Meh
Cleave is a waste to me if I dont go for dev.
There has to be better options
@ selvac 29 ranger 1 rogue, gives you 3 more AC for 1 less feat... seeing as we take armor skin which is +2 I think thats worth it btw.
2 hander is not needed for damage, He practically has a pc with him and bane of enemies.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:38 AM |
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I cleave was just added to that for lack of nothing else to take.
If I could get 25 STR I'd take dev, but if I did so I'd lose out on other areas. I'd still prefer STR based Greataxe user Pigeon, but that handaxe thing is only the alternative if no other way can be found to make the build a decent PvE on amia.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:42 AM |
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Id take for sure 1 level of rogue to get that 6 ac...
I am against 2 handers because of the lack of AC but i wont covince you out of it.
Take whatver makes you happy... GreatAxe damage 10-12 damge per hit over dual wielding small weapons ( i thinks). But for same AC you'd also get 2 more attacks  _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:42 AM |
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GreatPigeon wrote: @ticket
I wouldnt take luck of heroes or cleave...
Heros gives you +1 to all saves? meh...
Cleave in epic only realyl gives 1 free attack every 3-4 rounds or so? Meh
Cleave is a waste to me if I dont go for dev.
There has to be better options
@ selvac 29 ranger 1 rogue, gives you 3 more AC for 1 less feat... seeing as we take armor skin which is +2 I think thats worth it btw.
2 hander is not needed for damage, He practically has a pc with him and bane of enemies.
One day you will spell my name right hahaha.
2 hander is for RP purposes. I want to RP him as a woodsman. A proper woodsman. One who travels with his life time companion, and trusts his life to his companion. Duel just makes me feel like he's to typical ranger. Makes me want to kick him up the ass or something.
Also if I take duel, I lose anyway because it only works with light armor.
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xordae
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:42 AM |
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Location: Germany
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CON is always easily buffed. You don't lose out on anything because the initial stat-investment has no benefits if you're not going for Epic DR. Higher stat peak aside, I'll just assume he won't get that high anyways.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:45 AM |
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True. I'm still trying to figure out why they took 13 INT...
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:46 AM |
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13int is taken for all th Good combat feats like Improved Knockdown.
And Xordaes a touch of center there.
Higher Con is finetastic for PvM and a complete waste very nearly for PvP, because every bugger and his toaster has Imp Critical.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:47 AM |
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What if I replace luck of hereo's with heavy armor profeincey? I know a druid can't cast spells in heavy armor, but can a ranger?
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xordae
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:47 AM |
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For Imp. Knockdown of course.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:48 AM |
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Selvec Darkon wrote: GreatPigeon wrote: @ticket
I wouldnt take luck of heroes or cleave...
Heros gives you +1 to all saves? meh...
Cleave in epic only realyl gives 1 free attack every 3-4 rounds or so? Meh
Cleave is a waste to me if I dont go for dev.
There has to be better options
@ selvac 29 ranger 1 rogue, gives you 3 more AC for 1 less feat... seeing as we take armor skin which is +2 I think thats worth it btw.
2 hander is not needed for damage, He practically has a pc with him and bane of enemies. One day you will spell my name right hahaha. 2 hander is for RP purposes. I want to RP him as a woodsman. A proper woodsman. One who travels with his life time companion, and trusts his life to his companion. Duel just makes me feel like he's to typical ranger. Makes me want to kick him up the ass or something. Also if I take duel, I lose anyway because it only works with light armor. Selvec Darkon - Now shush Im exhausted but cant sleep... You dont lose anything... you get Imprved 2 weapon fighting which works on any armor and there is an item that gives you the other feats on some bracers... allowing you to get 2 attacks in offhand while wearin heavy armor no penalties...
As for RP go for it! Just wearing plate armor is kinda cute too, say its wood and vines or pretend to be the Green Knight of the Green Chapel. _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:50 AM |
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25 ranger/4 fighter/ 1 rogue, more ac, same amount of feats and +6 damage per hit, free heavy armor,
DO IT
Selvec Darkon
DO IT
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:51 AM |
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GreatPigeon wrote: Selvec Darkon wrote: GreatPigeon wrote: @ticket
I wouldnt take luck of heroes or cleave...
Heros gives you +1 to all saves? meh...
Cleave in epic only realyl gives 1 free attack every 3-4 rounds or so? Meh
Cleave is a waste to me if I dont go for dev.
There has to be better options
@ selvac 29 ranger 1 rogue, gives you 3 more AC for 1 less feat... seeing as we take armor skin which is +2 I think thats worth it btw.
2 hander is not needed for damage, He practically has a pc with him and bane of enemies. One day you will spell my name right hahaha. 2 hander is for RP purposes. I want to RP him as a woodsman. A proper woodsman. One who travels with his life time companion, and trusts his life to his companion. Duel just makes me feel like he's to typical ranger. Makes me want to kick him up the ass or something. Also if I take duel, I lose anyway because it only works with light armor. Selvec Darkon - Now shush Im exhausted but cant sleep... You dont lose anything... you get Imprved 2 weapon fighting which works on any armor and there is an item that gives you the other feats on some bracers... allowing you to get 2 attacks in offhand while wearin heavy armor no penalties... As for RP go for it! Just wearing plate armor is kinda cute too, say its wood and vines or pretend to be the Green Knight of the Green Chapel. Hardy har har. I can alway's craft heavy armor to look less cumbersome then it is. It's less cheese then switching to a tower sheild in the middle of combat. The problem is that a stereotype exists that rangers should all be sneaky buggers who stalk around a forest.
What about that concept build in the bioware default? The giant killer. I always had a foundness for it given that it reminded me of the old fable rangers who hunted the wilds brazenly.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:52 AM |
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Ahem... 25 ranger/ 4 fighter/ 1 rogue
DO IT
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:53 AM |
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GreatPigeon wrote: 25 ranger/4 fighter/ 1 rogue, more ac, same amount of feats and +6 damage per hit, free heavy armor,
DO IT
Selvec Darkon
DO IT
I guess that will do. Less favoured enemies I believe. But meh, I'm not looking to cull the entire monster population from Amia.
Thanks for the help Pigeon, and Selvec is fine you goof.
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I keels u with my axe!
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:54 AM |
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Location: England
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Don't forget, Mielikki is the only nature Deity that allows the Armors which the other's don't. (I think it's only Mielikki, atleast.)
EDIT: wait... Im tired and confused... Don't listen to me, have someone else confirm.. >.<
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Previously known as: Anubis
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ticket
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:55 AM |
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Selvec Darkon wrote: Not sure what the 13 INT is for Improved Knockdown and 12 Int so you can afford to get some handy skills like tumble, spot, & trap skills. GreatPigeon wrote: I wouldn't take luck of heroes or cleave...
Many here prefer strong soul over luck of heroes. Either way, it's always good to take feats that gives saves if you can spare it, imo. Free up as many powers as you can in your gear.
As for cleave, I never ever make a STR based melee toon without it. Saying no to an extra attack is crazy. The only time I would, would be when I know I can get cleave on my gear (Amia has an item with cleave on it).
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:55 AM |
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Location: London, UK
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Tuigan -
19 str, 7 dex, 10 con, 14 wis, 14 intel, 8 cha
All 7 attributes added to STR to make it 26....
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ticket
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:56 AM |
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Anubis wrote: Don't forget, Mielikki is the only nature Deity that allows the Armors which the other's don't. (I think it's only Mielikki, atleast.)
Isn't it armors made of metals only? Or just metal in general except scimitar...?
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 11:57 AM |
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Anubis wrote: Don't forget, Mielikki is the only nature Deity that allows the Armors which the other's don't. (I think it's only Mielikki, atleast.)
EDIT: wait... Im tired and confused... Don't listen to me, have someone else confirm.. >.< What about Shaundakul, rangers of the road.
@Pigeon: Wait, what? 7 Dex. That would lower AC to silly lengths. I might as well jump on a spear hahaha. 12 INT, 16 STR, not 25 STR since I don't need it. 12 Dex. Tuigan.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:00 PM |
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GreatPigeon wrote: Hey Im a noobie at this but I think that 20 cha is what to aim for... Max Dodge AC - 20... 5 boots, 4 haste, 11 (divine shield -> to do this you need 32 cha buffed)... Also could plan to have 18 charisma base.... 5 boots, 4 haste, 10 shield and 1 mage armor (potions)... Just a thought ... The AC in PvP, Oh (censored) thats a big spawn, OMG my buffs wore out, (censored) Ambush, Bosses, and hey look what my AC is the divine shield is very worrth maxing exactly I thinks... 30 charisma buffed gives you 13 casts of 1 minute each might or shield... 14 gives 15 minutes.... But instead of goign 20 charisma for you, Id recommend you take a extra turning for another 6 casts... so 19 casts at 1 minute each, much better imho... IronAngel without ESF for the EDK, Id drop that and take something the extra turning... Another 6 minutes of +10 ac or Damager per rest seems agreeably epic to me. You could drop craft wand? But thats there for making money <3 cleric with wands. Well, I'm not taking Divine Shield anyhow. Fullplate/shield ranged cleric doesn't really need the extra AC that badly; he can always run.
But true, a Divine Mighter would benefit from Extra Turning. Probably moreso than Improved Critical on a dart. (x2 modifier, range of 20.) _________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:01 PM |
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Location: England
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Quote: Priest of Shaundakul usually wear leather armor and forest green cloaks and wield long swords and short bows, but are allowed to wear chain or lighter armor and use any weapon.
On Wiki I found this for Shaundakul, but that's for Cleric's specifically, so I'm not too sure.
There a few people around that know alot more about Shaundakul than me, Tormak being the obvious one. Might be best making sure from him, or someone else who knows there bit on Shauny.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:02 PM |
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Anubis wrote: Quote: Priest of Shaundakul usually wear leather armor and forest green cloaks and wield long swords and short bows, but are allowed to wear chain or lighter armor and use any weapon. On Wiki I found this for Shaundakul, but that's for Cleric's specifically, so I'm not too sure. There a few people around that know alot more about Shaundakul than me, Tormak being the obvious one. Might be best making sure from him, or someone else who knows there bit on Shauny. Right, I best check with Tormak first. If I don't find out from him first he'll be sure to let me know at level 20, make me change armour hahaha.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:06 PM |
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Selvec Darkon wrote: Anubis wrote: Don't forget, Mielikki is the only nature Deity that allows the Armors which the other's don't. (I think it's only Mielikki, atleast.)
EDIT: wait... Im tired and confused... Don't listen to me, have someone else confirm.. >.< What about Shaundakul, rangers of the road. @Pigeon: Wait, what? 7 Dex. That would lower AC to silly lengths. I might as well jump on a spear hahaha. 12 INT, 16 STR, not 25 STR since I don't need it. 12 Dex. Tuigan. You can easily buff your Dex, though. Full-platers, for example, need only 12 Dex for full AC. That's one Maximized Cat's from 7, or two pieces of gear. _________________ On Joon, Kjetta wrote: The guy that probably has sexual fantasies about masturbation. I mean, Iron, you're a bookworm nerd that even in your wildest escapism fantasies flee to the internet to play the role of another bookworm nerd? Come on!
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:08 PM |
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23 ranger
4 fighter
1 rogue
2 ranger
In that order.
Feats
wf: great axe
kd,
blindfight
power attack
cleave
great cleave
improved crit
Epic Feats
armor skin
ewf
weapon spec
dev crit crit
Ranger epic at levels
23- bane of enemies
30- epic skill focus spot
fighter
24-prowess
25- overwhelming crit
27- epic weapon spec
if u dont take dev crit you have 2 pre epic and 2 epic feats to play with, Id suggest strong soul and ______.... and epic spot adn epic discipline.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:08 PM |
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So what was the reason you were taking 12dex?
I'm confused because rangers buff dex +2, and have easily accessible +3 dex boots that aren't even Duir or Sun Soul.
I mean i assume your going to be dressed in Fullplate what with the fighter levels and the GreatAxe.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:10 PM |
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IronAngel wrote: Selvec Darkon wrote: Anubis wrote: Don't forget, Mielikki is the only nature Deity that allows the Armors which the other's don't. (I think it's only Mielikki, atleast.)
EDIT: wait... Im tired and confused... Don't listen to me, have someone else confirm.. >.< What about Shaundakul, rangers of the road. @Pigeon: Wait, what? 7 Dex. That would lower AC to silly lengths. I might as well jump on a spear hahaha. 12 INT, 16 STR, not 25 STR since I don't need it. 12 Dex. Tuigan. You can easily buff your Dex, though. Full-platers, for example, need only 12 Dex for full AC. That's one Maximized Cat's from 7, or two pieces of gear. Ah true. Any idea about the Shaundakul ranger thing and heavy armor while you are lurking about?
@Pigeon: Niccceeee. That could actually be pretty damned effective. If it works. I'll give it a test, I've had issues with taking fighter for the first time duing epic before. Thanks, I'll give it a test right now.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:11 PM |
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MoshingChris wrote: So what was the reason you were taking 12dex?
I'm confused because rangers buff dex +2, and have easily accessible +3 dex boots that aren't even Duir or Sun Soul.
I mean i assume your going to be dressed in Fullplate what with the fighter levels and the GreatAxe.
That was me thinking like a typicaly melee builder and less like someone used to having spells to use.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:11 PM |
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Selvec Darkon wrote: Anubis wrote: Don't forget, Mielikki is the only nature Deity that allows the Armors which the other's don't. (I think it's only Mielikki, atleast.)
EDIT: wait... Im tired and confused... Don't listen to me, have someone else confirm.. >.< What about Shaundakul, rangers of the road. @Pigeon: Wait, what? 7 Dex. That would lower AC to silly lengths. I might as well jump on a spear hahaha. 12 INT, 16 STR, not 25 STR since I don't need it. 12 Dex. Tuigan. shup selvec wear sun souls +5... gives +3 dex... oh look you have 10 dex, drink a potion you have 12-15 dex... wear an agility +3 belt you can hit 18 dex.. omg wear leather armor to the fullest! _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:12 PM |
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Rangers have no armor restrictions. Druids do. Shaundakul is not an exception to druids, but it's fine for rangers of any deity. Also, you don't necessarily need to follow a nature deity, another one would do as well.
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:12 PM |
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IronAngel wrote: GreatPigeon wrote: Hey Im a noobie at this but I think that 20 cha is what to aim for... Max Dodge AC - 20... 5 boots, 4 haste, 11 (divine shield -> to do this you need 32 cha buffed)... Also could plan to have 18 charisma base.... 5 boots, 4 haste, 10 shield and 1 mage armor (potions)... Just a thought ... The AC in PvP, Oh (censored) thats a big spawn, OMG my buffs wore out, (censored) Ambush, Bosses, and hey look what my AC is the divine shield is very worrth maxing exactly I thinks... 30 charisma buffed gives you 13 casts of 1 minute each might or shield... 14 gives 15 minutes.... But instead of goign 20 charisma for you, Id recommend you take a extra turning for another 6 casts... so 19 casts at 1 minute each, much better imho... IronAngel without ESF for the EDK, Id drop that and take something the extra turning... Another 6 minutes of +10 ac or Damager per rest seems agreeably epic to me. You could drop craft wand? But thats there for making money <3 cleric with wands. Well, I'm not taking Divine Shield anyhow. Fullplate/shield ranged cleric doesn't really need the extra AC that badly; he can always run. But true, a Divine Mighter would benefit from Extra Turning. Probably moreso than Improved Critical on a dart. (x2 modifier, range of 20.) From that build on the previous page, personally I would drop EDK, Imp Crit and Maximize. Extra Turning, Point Blank Shot and Rapidshot. Rapidshot works with Slings and Darts and I definetly think its worth taking it when youve got all these lovely bursts of divine damage and the sneak attack. 
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:13 PM |
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GreatPigeon wrote: Selvec Darkon wrote: Anubis wrote: Don't forget, Mielikki is the only nature Deity that allows the Armors which the other's don't. (I think it's only Mielikki, atleast.)
EDIT: wait... Im tired and confused... Don't listen to me, have someone else confirm.. >.< What about Shaundakul, rangers of the road. @Pigeon: Wait, what? 7 Dex. That would lower AC to silly lengths. I might as well jump on a spear hahaha. 12 INT, 16 STR, not 25 STR since I don't need it. 12 Dex. Tuigan. shup selvec wear sun souls +5... gives +3 dex... oh look you have 10 dex, drink a potion you have 12-15 dex... wear an agility +3 belt you can hit 18 dex.. omg wear leather armor to the fullest! Or a frost giants belt and raise the STR further. Go to sleep, I think I have a good base to work from now.
Thanks for the help.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:13 PM |
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True, but you can get both Point Blank Shot and Rapid Shot from items on Amia. As a spellcasting cleric, dropping Maximize would hurt. (Well, it hurts any spellcaster that isn't a ranger or a paladin, I suppose.)
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:14 PM |
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Location: London, UK
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Ive realized that dev crit on my x3 hammers is a waste, by the time i hit dwev on something its nearly dead anyway... take the discipline, spot, heavy str low dex based, you get cats grace and the +3 boots.... if much more well rounded build then my ranger...
Learn from my mistakes PLEASE
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:14 PM |
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IronAngel wrote: Rangers have no armor restrictions. Druids do. Shaundakul is not an exception to druids, but it's fine for rangers of any deity. Also, you don't necessarily need to follow a nature deity, another one would do as well.
Thank you iron.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:18 PM |
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So to review.
Tuigan
STR: 17
DEX: 7
CON: 14 -16 (I can't be bothered figuring out the bonus)
WIS: 14
INT: 14
CHA: 8
Or
STR:19
DEX: 7
CON: 10
WIS: 14
INT: 14
CHA: 8
23 ranger
4 fighter
1 rogue
2 ranger
In that order.
Feats
wf: great axe
kd,
blindfight
power attack
cleave
great cleave
improved crit
Epic Feats
armor skin
ewf
weapon spec
Epic Skill Focus: Spot or (Second starting stats) Dev Crit.
Ranger epic at levels
23- bane of enemies
30- epic skill focus spot
fighter
24-prowess
25- Epic Skill Focus: Discipline or (Second starting stats)Overwealming Crit
27- epic weapon spec
Skill Dump:
Discipline - Fighter 27
Tumble - Rogue 28
UMD - Rogue 28
Skill points for 24 Ranger levels -
Spot
Animal Empathy
Anything Else.
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"Do ye know where the Holy-Flamin' Frost-brand Gronk-slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' woundin' an' returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-out-yer-bum is?"
Last edited by Selvec Darkon on Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:29 PM, edited 2 times in total.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:21 PM |
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Location: London, UK
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Iron keep max spell, get extra turning, get divine shield...!!! If you can get rapid and point blank from items do it and maximize... you say you dont need it but ive never said no to 10 ac..
I did not know about the point blank and rapid shot items.
19 casts of turn undead for +10 damage a hit or +10 ac...
_________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:22 PM |
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I just occurs to me Pigeon that I won't be using duel weapons. So my enemy won't die as fast. Still worth dropping Dev?
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"Do ye know where the Holy-Flamin' Frost-brand Gronk-slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' woundin' an' returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-out-yer-bum is?"
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:23 PM |
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Selvec!
19 str to start... other then that perfect. If not going DEV, Id drop str by 2... and put tht into con for another 60 hp or something at cost of 1 ab.
_________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:23 PM |
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Location: England
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Don't forget about the other four attacks/round you get from the companion.
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Previously known as: Anubis
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:26 PM |
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GreatPigeon wrote: Selvec!
19 str to start... other then that perfect. If not going DEV, Id drop str by 2... and put tht into con for another 60 hp or something at cost of 1 ab.
I might drop the STR then. That spot could be very useful in the odd PVP suggestion. I may still get infected by the occasional NWN glitch, but I could weed out those multiclassing SD's.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:26 PM |
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Selvec Darkon wrote: I just occurs to me Pigeon that I won't be using duel weapons. So my enemy won't die as fast. Still worth dropping Dev?
do you want to pvp? Even then when im using shield dev doesnt trigger enough for my tastes.. farming yuanti... I hit for 50 damage a hit, 160 on crits... you will do slightly more damage... 1 hit adn 1 crit kills them... most places its not wroth it imho in the long run with the x3 weapon.
Also remember you have a compantion thats doing like
2-11+ 12(str mod)+1d10 (branch of giving + flame weapon... doing 4 attacks a turn as well.
Id take my buffed piggy over alot of pcs anyday. _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:27 PM |
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Bah, I can't start with Rogue. That's one feat wasted, because I get two feats at creation and the only one I want is Power Attack. >_>
Maybe I should just stick with 25/4/1 instead of 23/4/3.
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:30 PM |
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Location: England
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And also Greater Magical Fang <3, +5 by 15th Ranger, aswel as +5 Magic dmg, on top of the Branch of giving, Haste for turns/Ranger lvl.
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Previously known as: Anubis
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:32 PM |
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Dire Wolf companion to add some common ranger cheese? I could attempt to get it reskinned at a later date to a dog model.
Or
Should I go with the RP wolf companion. I know it's not as strong, but it's better for RP.
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:34 PM |
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Dunno tbh, I usually go with the Bear because I'm not all that good with Druids/Rangers, so the Extra strength helps alot. But the Dire wolf looks Khool.
EDIT: The wolves fear howl can come in handy too, I guess. Other than in places like the Abyss where most things have fear Immunity.
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Previously known as: Anubis
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:35 PM |
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Location: London, UK
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17 str, 8 dex, 14 con, 15 wis, 14 int, 8 cha...
15 wis allows you to use Calans Plate without switching gears out so much. And receiving no penalties... Epic spot, Epic disc, spot and strong soul... replace the dev crit needed fits with these.
Let see your spot would be
Base 33
Wis Mod, with pot +5
Bane of Enemies(humans and elves) +6
Gear Very easilt another +25 without gimpingur gear i think.
True Seeing +10
spot +3
epic focus +10
Enough to catch the multi classers i think... at least half the time.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:39 PM |
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IronAngel wrote: Bah, I can't start with Rogue. That's one feat wasted, because I get two feats at creation and the only one I want is Power Attack. >_>
Maybe I should just stick with 25/4/1 instead of 23/4/3.
23 cleric/6 fighter/ 1 rogue is another option.... ( you get more feats this 1 more epic feat instead of +1d6 sneak.
You odnt need umd with a cleric I keep being told, and 1 monk is an option then it gives you evasion at level 1. _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Selvec Darkon
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:40 PM |
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Anubis wrote: Dunno tbh, I usually go with the Bear because I'm not all that good with Druids/Rangers, so the Extra strength helps alot. But the Dire wolf looks Khool.
EDIT: The wolves fear howl can come in handy too, I guess. Other than in places like the Abyss where most things have fear Immunity.
I'll go wolf then.
@Pigeon:
I'm not to worried about PvP, but if it pop's up it's a nice side bonus.
Tuigan
STR: 17
DEX: 8
CON: 14
WIS: 15
INT: 14
CHA: 8
Or
STR:19
DEX: 7
CON: 10
WIS: 14
INT: 14
CHA: 8
Pump STR
23 Ranger
4 Fighter
1 Rogue
2 Ranger
In that order.
Feats:
Weapon Focus: Great Axe
Knockdown,
Blindfight
Power attack
Strong Soul or (Second starting stats) Cleave
Skill Focus: Spot or (Second starting stats) Great Cleave
Improved crit
Epic Feats:
Armor skin
Epic Weapon Focus
Weapon Spec
Epic Skill Focus: Discipline or (Second starting stats) Dev Crit.
Ranger epic at levels:
23- Bane of Enemies
30- Epic Skill Focus: Spot (????)
Fighter:
24-Prowess
25- Overwealming Crit
27- Epic Weapon Spec: Greataxe
Skill Dump:
Discipline - Fighter 27
Tumble - Rogue 28
UMD - Rogue 28
Skill points for 24 Ranger levels:
Spot
Animal Empathy
Anything Else.
Coolies, well if that's that, I'll go write up the backstory and such before I forget it. Make changes where needed to comply to the build. Then I'll decide when to create this character. Debate wither to wait for the new heads, or not. Think I may.
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"Do ye know where the Holy-Flamin' Frost-brand Gronk-slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' woundin' an' returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-out-yer-bum is?"
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IronAngel
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Posted: Sat, Jul 25 2009, 12:46 PM |
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Location: Helsinki, Finland
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20 Clr -> 20/4/1 Clr/Ftr/Rog
14 Str
8 Con
8 Dex
14 Int (might swap 2 points to Con)
16 (24) Wis
15 (18 ) Cha
Craft Wand (RP purposes - not sure if I'll keep it or not)
Extend Spell
Maximize Spell
Extra Turning
Power Attack + Divine Might
WF+EWF+WS+EWS (Dart)
Zen Archery
Armor Skin
Great Wisdom IV
Is this better? What more should I fix? Divine Shield over Extra Turning? I guess not?
10 Con would be better, 12 Int is just enough to get enough Lore for RP, Tumble, UMD, Spellcraft and Concentration. Thing is, I wouldn't have to rebuild if I settled with 8 Con, apparently.
Would Opustus play this?
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