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Ooh, thank you kindly, Disco.

To give an idea of how much my sense of proportion is messed up, I never thought the islands would be that far from each other.

I thought they were actually very close. Not close enough to go swimming, nor far enough that would take days or weeks.

:oops:

Would be a rather steep drop in temperature?

Nevermind Shadowdale and Abyss with the points of interest.

Isn't Ruathym a real place on the FR map, south of there? >.>

I think that's Rus.

Edit: No I am wrong, Ruathym is a place. It's exactly where it is on that map. Which then brings to mind that it's mentioned that Wiltun is infact a small jarldom in the greater Ruathym area, not the only Jarldom.

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I think Brog need's to be further north then in Disco's map however. The climate wouldn't be as low as it is, given it's location is aligned with Neverwinters location on the mainland. Espically since it's in the ocean. It would be far to wet for snow to settle. Freezing of the ocean in that area wouldn't be likely either.

Mathias of Constantinople wrote:

Wow, that map is amazing! Can it be stickied or in some other way made more accessible?

I'll get the different maps on the wiki when able.

And yuss Ruathym is the right place, at least from what I could see.

Yes. Ruathym is obviously in the right place, because it's the official map, only with Amia's areas added to it.

Ruathym is a big island close to Amia, with that barren rocks in the sea -look that was designed for the Monolith, hence I suggested it as a point of reference for that area. Wiltun and the Monolith aren't "on" the official Ruathym, but they're geographically and (in Wiltun's case) politically connected to the canon main island (which doesn't appear on Amia).

It would be nice if someone could compile and possibly polish the various maps in this topic and elsewhere, post them in one go, and then I (or any DM) could add them to the R&L geography topic.

Selvec Darkon wrote:

I think Brog need's to be further north then in Disco's map however. The climate wouldn't be as low as it is, given it's location is aligned with Neverwinters location on the mainland. Espically since it's in the ocean. It would be far to wet for snow to settle. Freezing of the ocean in that area wouldn't be likely either.

Not really, the area above teh Ice Peak is bascially ice and ice flow, so to be able to get at Brog you need to be south of that. FGorrstakkr is even more north / colder than Brog, so Brog needs to be below Forrstakkr, etc.

Brog doesn't look like it would be in a permafrost area, though *Shrugs* But I'm not the best at geo.

Well, considering the amount of 'civilised wildlife' I'd rate Brog more temperate than Forrstakkr.

Well, there could be a cold water current (whatever the correct term is) that decreases the temperature, and vice versa near the coast.

And actually, I wouldn't mind assuming the snow occasionally melts in the lower parts of Brog. We don't have a tileset like that, and we can't regularly update the areas as the seasons change (it's not as if it never snows in Amia, either). Permafrost would likely only be in the mountains, and possibly the magical undead areas (even if Disco doesn't like magical explanations!). I reckon the snow at the coast will melt in summertime.

IronAngel wrote:

Well, there could be a cold water current (whatever the correct term is) that decreases the temperature, and vice versa near the coast.

And actually, I wouldn't mind assuming the snow occasionally melts in the lower parts of Brog. We don't have a tileset like that, and we can't regularly update the areas as the seasons change (it's not as if it never snows in Amia, either). Permafrost would likely only be in the mountains, and possibly the magical undead areas (even if Disco doesn't like magical explanations!). I reckon the snow at the coast will melt in summertime.

That could happen. Small islands tend to end up being roughly the same temperature as the water around them IIRC.

Happens vice versa in Finland: without the warmth the Gulf Stream brings, Fenno-Scandia would be pretty damn cold. It's the reason Florida is so warm too, I hear.

IronAngel wrote:

Happens vice versa in Finland: without the warmth the Gulf Stream brings, Fenno-Scandia would be pretty damn cold. It's the reason Florida is so warm too, I hear.

Oceans are very good at stabilising temperature ... it really helps the Southern Hemisphere, especially since the Earth is at perihelion in our summer and aphelion in our winter.

Then can we have an event that involves Brog fortress threatening to tumble into the sea due to ice melting? :twisted:

If it does melt yearly, it would be nothing new, and people would've taken that into consideration.

I suppose the Snowy Forest is the best evidence of it not being permafrost. I would be unusual for it to be like that if Brog didn't melt at least part of the year.

Good point. And if the land was covered in permafrost, there would be no trees.

I just wanted to see an event with hundreds of dwarves being dropped into the ocean.

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So Amia is an actual (official) island of the sword coast? :shock:

I never knew that...

Edit: darn!

J.G. wrote:

So Amia is an actual (official) island of the sword coast? :shock:
I never knew that...

I believe its just edited in

J.G. wrote:

So Amia is an actual (official) island of the sword coast? :shock:

I never knew that...

Edit: darn!

No, heh. It's homebrew, but it does needa geographical place in the world.

I've been looking at the maps and trying to stick the whole thing together again (for the 3rd or 4th time) and I just came to several realizations.

Winya sits on top of a mountain with a lake on it. I wonder if this could be some sort of extinct volcano that is replenished from a huge underground aquifer (spring). It also may be that the north side of Winya looks down from steep cliffs over the quagmire. There are probably several waterfalls from said lake into the quagmire, and/or the same underground source is responsible for the swamp below. Being so high up I would guess that the air in Winya is usually fresh, but the city must smell on muggy days. Perhaps the lizardmen occasionally attempt to scale the cliffs.

The FoD and Amia Forest are probably considerably smaller than they 'look' (I believe Tormak has said this before).

The Actand cliff village (and the Bastion?) are probably visible on the south side of the river across from the Temple of Salandra.

Cape Slakh is Amia's southernmost point. Kohlingen Manor sits on its northernmost point (no doubt a rocky promontory lashed on dark nights by the restless sea, the lurid moon above hidden by ragged clouds that flutter like the veils of the dead in the fetid breaths that issue forth from the tombs that honeycomb the rock, infested with eldritch creatures yadda yadda...).

Xaviera wrote:

Winya sits on top of a mountain with a lake on it. I wonder if this could be some sort of extinct volcano that is replenished from a huge underground aquifer (spring). It also may be that the north side of Winya looks down from steep cliffs over the quagmire. There are probably several waterfalls from said lake into the quagmire, and/or the same underground source is responsible for the swamp below.

It's my understanding that the water comes from the portal to the plane of water opened by the early elf settlers, the magic used to open it creating the life stone as well. As for quag being over the hill.... that's where we dump the bodies?

Xaviera wrote:

The Actand cliff village (and the Bastion?) are probably visible on the south side of the river across from the Temple of Salandra.

The boat from tarcova goes to Salandran temple... so I'm sure they're familiar with it.

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The FoD and Amia Forest are probably considerably smaller than they 'look' (I believe Tormak has said this before).

The recent expansions have done a lot to help represent "True Size" and nowadays I thnik you're pretty close to the real thing.

So the "Portals" to Nes'ek actually throw you across nearly half the breadth of Toril?

Not that much. I think in the whole scheme of things, its like from scotland to yemen

MoshingChris wrote:

So the "Portals" to Nes'ek actually throw you across nearly half the breadth of Toril?

Yes.

... Yes, it bugs me, too.

Everything is better than placing a Sahara rip-off on top of an Irish-like mountain ridge on top of a Grove on top of a Salandran Temple.

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Sorry for the long hiatus folks. Recently got into a car accident and fractured my wrist, so I haven't been able to use a computer for months now. Now that I'm all healed up, I come bearing fruit salad. Lo and behold, the definitive map of Amia entirely based off the area mini-maps provided by your local chicken dev (thanks Disco!). Ok maybe not definitive, since I left out some stuff, but it sure is pretty(er).

Closest cartography will ever come to creaming my pants.

Kjetta wrote:

Closest cartography will ever come to creaming my pants.

Just felt it should be quoted so everyone can be even more disturbed by reading it twice. Awesome Maps.

Your map seems to have forgotten Winya... and I personally don't see such a giant split between Amia Forest and Forest of depsair. Hmmm.

wow....awesome!

great job on that art work!

Looks very pretty

Great job on the artwork.

I added things in the module that had Wiltun noted as being the southernmost jarldom on the island nation. Hm....

Yossarin wrote:

I added things in the module that had Wiltun noted as being the southernmost jarldom on the island nation. Hm....

So shift the dots south on the map. no big deal.

Easy to explain away ICly - the cartographer made a mistake.

Yes, and normally they fix mistakes? <.<

I was stating as to why it is no issue now, Tormak, not disagreeing with your statement (which I'm assuming the unnecessary question mark and emoticon were referring to).

Really nice, Jaqueline! Hope your wrist will heal or has healed completely.

Very awsome map indeeed. The elves propably refused to let the cartographer draw Winya or something like that:P

Yep the wrist is all fine now. Just some minor stiffness from where the cast was. So happy I can doing things normally again. Typing and drawing with only my left hand is just terrible.

Anyways, I fixed the position of Wiltun on the world map to appease the lore. Also I did not label Winya Ravana because the mini-maps positioned the city right ontop of the Quagmire. I opted to name the latter only to reduce clutter of area names, but I can always go back to change it.

Yeah, I left Winya out of the crude map as well. I'd just put the label at the entrance, I guess.

I got a decent map of Khem and Frozenfar as well, will send them to you when I am home. And for the love of god, don't try to map out Brog.

Remove some of Bramble Woods and replace it with more of the forest of despair, or just switch the shapes around. Forest of Despair seems much bigger, and also has a big castle in it to remember. Bramble...errr....not so much.

Found this (warning, big picture) from the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting book. Hopefully you find it good ^^

A Scholar's View of Abeir-Toril (1808 x 931 pixels)

Awesome map. Jus sayin'

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Edit - I was wondering if we could add one of these awesome maps to the starting page in order to better picture amia as a whole, Instead of delivering a few random (And horrendously outdated) screenshots?
Perhaps it will lure a few more visitors.

Caraigh should be as big as Amia, or at least the loading screens are claiming such.

Wait, Amia is technically two islands? That river separates them... wait I don't think that qualifies them as two islands... but still! The more you know!

Maps for Amia?

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