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Selvec Darkon
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I'd still like some suggestions and help with that Bard Sneaker character I was going to make.
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jafman30
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Posted: Tue, Jul 21 2009, 9:05 AM |
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Well, for one, the 5.75 (5.25+.5) might round up? But even if that were true, it would be only one more AB, as opposed to higher will and fort, slightly lower reflex, and for some unknown reason another 4 hp.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Tue, Jul 21 2009, 9:11 AM |
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jafman30 wrote: Well, for one, the 5.75 (5.25+.5) might round up? But even if that were true, it would be only one more AB, as opposed to higher will and fort, slightly lower reflex, and for some unknown reason another 4 hp.
That's not how BAB works, there's no fractional points. either you have a point or you don't.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Tue, Jul 21 2009, 9:19 AM |
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jafman30 wrote: Well, for one, the 5.75 (5.25+.5) might round up? But even if that were true, it would be only one more AB, as opposed to higher will and fort, slightly lower reflex, and for some unknown reason another 4 hp.
Dunno on a character like that i'd take AB over Saves.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Tue, Jul 21 2009, 9:54 AM |
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jafman30 wrote: Alright people, heres one for ya. Im making a dev'ing Monk/Sorc/RDD (dont kill me!! i dont even have wings!!) Here goes (1:Monk: Thug) (2:Monk: ) (3:Monk: Weapon focus) (4:Monk: ) (5:Monk: ) (6:Monk: Power attack) (7:Sorc: ) (8:RDD: ) (9:RDD: Great Cleave) (10:RDD: ) (11:RDD: ) (12:RDD: Blind fight) (13:RDD: ) (14:RDD: ) (15:Monk: Imp. Crit) (16:Monk: ) (17:Monk: ) (18:Monk: Toughness) (19:Monk: ) (20:Monk: ) (21:Monk: Overwhelming crit) (22:Monk: ) (23:Monk: ) (24:Monk: Devastating crit) (25:Monk: ) (26:Monk: ) (27:Monk: Epic Weapon focus) (28:Monk: ) (29:Monk: ) (30:Monk: Great Strength) Now then, before you criticize on why i took great str and thug, great str (instead of Epic Prowess) makes me end with 30 str, making it +1 damage AND ab. And thug, well it was for the initiative, and i probably shouldnt take it-- oh wait! The chars level 5 now!  As for skills: Discipline:Taken when possible and restored after sorc level Heal:Taken always Lore:Taken levels 1-5 Tumble: Taken when possible and restored after sorc/RDD levels Concentration: Skill dump at level 30 for those pesky taunters Well, I think thats it! Tell me any fixes you think should be done, one feat i am willing to trade is toughness if theres anything that could/should be taken instead. Thug? Toughness? What? Why? _________________  UCE THIS, YOU COW.
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jafman30
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Posted: Tue, Jul 21 2009, 19:32 PM |
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Quote: Thug? Toughness? What? Why?
Yeah, the thug was my bad.. i thought the initiative might give me an edge but really it was just a stupid idea lol. the Toughness is for the extra HP, hey, its not useless. But anyways, Mosh, do you think if i take the Sorc pre-epic then the RDD epic? Oh wait... i just got an idea, i'll post it soon.
EDIT: Ok, so it failed. I misunderstood the BAB stuff. thought if i took 8 RDD instead of 7 i could get another 3 AB, (nwnwiki says i get 3AB/4levels) But i forgot thats how monk works too, so i dont get any extra.
Alright so ima figure this out. He ends with a 21 BAB so lets crunch some numbers.
21
+3(weapon focuses)
+10(str, not including gear)
+5(gloves)
+4(barbie drum)
+2(bless, aid)
=45, right? Tell me what you think, this is the first time i crunched numbers
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Infernal_Pain
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Posted: Tue, Jul 21 2009, 20:52 PM |
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Where in the hells are all those str-based SD builds again?
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Tue, Jul 21 2009, 21:21 PM |
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Old build thread?
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TheUltimateSin
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Posted: Tue, Jul 21 2009, 21:40 PM |
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I'm having trouble figuring out exactly why my epic dodger has the BAB that he has. He is currently lvl 28 with a 24 BAB his levels went as follows:
1-6 ftr
7-18 rog
19-26 cot
27 rog
28 cot
Does this not equal 21 BAB?
I even did the math taking all the ftr and cot up front and couldn't come up with BAB this high even at 30. Can someone explain this to me?
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Tue, Jul 21 2009, 21:45 PM |
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Remember in epic, no matter what class you take you only get 1/2 BAB progression, and no further atacks.
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maglorine
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Posted: Tue, Jul 21 2009, 21:52 PM |
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That is odd.
Pre-Epic
6 from fighter
2 from cot
9 from rogue
Epic
4 from normal 1/2 progression
Totals 21.
24 would be full BAB at Level 28 and you have 13 rogue levels and 15 full BAB levels which means you must have had at least 5 pre epic rogue levels and that's a loss of 2 BAB. Mysterious unless the character sheet lies or you are forgetting something.
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TheUltimateSin
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Posted: Tue, Jul 21 2009, 22:12 PM |
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What clued me in on it, I was playing around trying if it would be worth losing a few feats to get his AB higher when I noticed the math not working out. I checked and rechecked the character sheet and am 100%certain it shows 24 BA. And I wrote it all out before I started him, so I know the order is right.
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jafman30
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 0:15 AM |
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Alright heres another build i'll throw at you. Its doesnt need changing (in my opinion) But its pretty sweet, and i decided this is what my shadow elf will be. Its 6 monk/15 ranger/8 blackguard. He gets ten attacks per round if hes hasted. dual wielding kamas.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 0:36 AM |
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More like 24 ranger/3 monk/3 BG.
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ticket
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 1:38 AM |
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21 Ranger/6 Monk/3 BG or 23 Ranger/3 Monk/4BG sounds better to me.
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jafman30
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 1:43 AM |
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Shadow elf=+1 level adjustment 
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TheUltimateSin
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 2:22 AM |
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I was actually looking at the character sheet in the my vault in the load screen. The character sheet IG shows 21 as BAB.
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maglorine
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 2:58 AM |
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TheUltimateSin wrote: I was actually looking at the character sheet in the my vault in the load screen. The character sheet IG shows 21 as BAB. maglorine wrote: Mysterious unless the character sheet lies or you are forgetting something.
*shakes fist*
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jafman30
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 4:02 AM |
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Just to make everyone hate me i could totally go 3 monk/ 16 ranger/ 10 SD lol ten attacks per round+HiPS? most annoying character EVER. Or i could go 10 cleric.. Or 3monk/23ranger/4 fighter for that weapon spec, which combined with ten attacks per round makes for some nice damage dealing. or i could go 19 ranger with 3 monk and 7 Weapon master? Someone help me decide lest i go mad!!
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 6:24 AM |
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Location: London, UK
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Ranger.. take 1 level, 9 levels, 10 levels, or 21 levels
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 8:21 AM |
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jafman30 wrote: Just to make everyone hate me i could totally go 3 monk/ 16 ranger/ 10 SD lol ten attacks per round+HiPS? most annoying character EVER. Or i could go 10 cleric.. Or 3monk/23ranger/4 fighter for that weapon spec, which combined with ten attacks per round makes for some nice damage dealing. or i could go 19 ranger with 3 monk and 7 Weapon master? Someone help me decide lest i go mad!!
I wouldn't hate you.
I'd laugh at you pissing away levels though.
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jafman30
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 8:32 AM |
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Well, Davis recommended me to the SD area, which i agree with. Think, i dont need the extra damage from cleric or something like that, i have TEN attacks per round for crying out loud!
Quote: Ranger.. take 1 level, 9 levels, 10 levels, or 21 levels
In this case GreatPigeon, im getting it for the blade thirst, which will be great to have even at max level. And Mosh, ten is for epic dodge, since hes dex based and all. Granted, i could take more monk levels for epic dodge, and get stuff like IKD.. but SD makes things easier in general, so i dont have to run off and go around a corner to hide.
Call me a talentless hack all you want-- your brains are being spilled on the ground as you speak
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 11:14 AM |
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No dude.. 21 ranger = prerequisite bane of enemies.. extra 2d6 damage on top of the +5 you have towards favored enemies, you should have 4 or 5 to choose from.. and its a +2 ab towards them.
Blade thirst of course is great, nothing beats having your own +5 weapon... thought 21 ranger also gives you a hell of a summon.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 11:26 AM |
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jafman30 wrote: Well, Davis recommended me to the SD area, which i agree with. Think, i dont need the extra damage from cleric or something like that, i have TEN attacks per round for crying out loud!
10 attacks is nice... the ab is good on your attacks because of the -3ab per attack progression vs. the normal -5... I still didnt know it you were making a dex based or a str based character, but the damage is not ugly, A steady stream of 20-30s when you take care to buff. Blade Thirst will help pentrate some DR, but with low damge kamas low damage, low crit range, x2 modifier...
Kama WM is where the love is though... 10 attacks means nothing if those extra attacks can only hit on a 20.. but if you make that an x3 modifer... you're adding much MUCH more damage.
^^ dont do that you wanted ranger for this build my bad
The extra 2d6, stronger summon, +5 blade thirst is worth it... Like chris said if you dont take it your gonna get laughed at.. With it kamas might look slighty more respected of a weapon..
I forgot the build I had planned but Ticket and I ahd messed aroudn with this, Monk levels give you good AC 55 or so I beleive you can get while dual wielding if you go dex? Im not 100 pct sure.. you shouldnt need high strength, AC is your love.. Get the piggy summon and you have damge 30-40 damage, just stay alive and watch piggys health and you're fine.
21 ranger/6sd/3monk.... Even str based you can sneak well, ranger gives you +24 to hide easy... +4 to ms, Dex based you max hide and I think you can maxed ms too... _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 12:30 PM |
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ticket wrote: 21 Ranger/6 Monk/3 BG or 23 Ranger/3 Monk/4BG sounds better to me. _________________ UCE THIS, YOU COW.
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maglorine
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 12:58 PM |
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jafman30 wrote: In this case GreatPigeon, im getting it for the blade thirst, which will be great to have even at max level. .......................Call me a talentless hack all you want-- your brains are being spilled on the ground as you speak With 16 Ranger levels your Blade Thirst will grant +2 Enhancement plus Keen. The formula is (Caster Level-11)/2 = Enhancement Bonus. See the Spells sidebar. You do not get +5 Enhancement until Ranger 21 which , besides Bane is why you stay low or go up to 21 minimum on Ranger levels.
I won't say it.............
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 13:13 PM |
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Bane on an Str based ranger heh its nice... on a dex based if you dont take it well... your a dex based character without spells, epic dodge or damage.. There is a 4 letter word for something like that.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 14:49 PM |
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jafman30 wrote: Shadow elf=+1 level adjustment Isn't a shadow Elf Monk completely against what Iron posted?
I ask because if you've no been approved to play a Shadow Elf this forums getting ass-spammed for a character that won't happen.
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jafman30
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 19:34 PM |
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One: Yes i have been approved.
Two: GreatPigeon, take into account that for one, i have that +1 level adjustment, but still thanks for the help, really.
Considering i will have that nice AC and ab, i could skip SD, take 21 ranger/3 monk/ 5 fighter, so i do another 6 damage... if i tried for SD i would get 20 ranger, not 21  i can do lots of damage a round, and not get hit a bunch, my main enemies will be those durn PM/DD's that ruin all my fun in damage.\
^^And yes, i had the formula for blade thirst all wrong, thanks  ^^
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 20:41 PM |
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Ah, I kept forgetting about the level restriction... To maximize AC take the last monk level after 27 to get tumble.... Taking Monk at low level also gives you -1 ab... Cleave earlier, and access to kama earlier without taking a feat...
Figure out the level progression? Id take 4 monk and 4 fighter actually on my end...
But Im still not 100pct sure how to get your weapon spec and epic spec while taking monk levels and getting bane/blade thirst halfway early.
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jafman30
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Posted: Wed, Jul 22 2009, 20:52 PM |
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Well, i would have to have 4 monk if im going to take another at the end. This character has already been started, but everything we have gone over is still possible, excluding WM. So, currently i have 3 monk 1 ranger. so, i could go the rest ranger until i get bane of enemies, then take th fighter, end with monk. or squeeze in some of those fighter levels pre-epic. But the sucky thing about not going 10 SD is the fact that i have no epic dodge and epic dodge would be great to have. So basically, its a decision between more damage, or more AC (essentially). But i think i'll go the damage route  Oh, and if i didnt end with monk i would have a whole 6 tumble.
EDIT: Alright, so i fiddled around with it, and i dont think its possible to get Epic weapon specialization and bane of enemies starting with 3 monk/1 ranger. If you find a way thats possible starting with those, tell me! otherwise, either i rebuild him, make him an SD'er, or i take BG instead.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 0:10 AM |
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You and that ugly -1 ecl *shiver*
Bg woudlnt help you with that build, dont think you have any charisma and no dev crit.
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 0:19 AM |
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I have a couple of questions on a few builds I was thinking about. First is a divine warrior. I was thinking Pally(or BG)/fighter/rogue. Using the pally/BG abilities to buff, fighter for extra feats, and rogue for umd and tumble dump. A couple of questions though.
Where does your natural Cha need to be at to make Divine Might and Shield worthwhile to take?
Giving that your Wis is going to be 14 for spells, and Cha kinda of high, is it even possible to get dev crit on this build?
And is it even worth it or will you just gimp yourself in the Con and Int (skill points) and the feats department trying?
My other idea was a melee cleric which is pretty hard to screw up but I do have a question on which way to take that build. You need 20 Wis for epic spells after that should you look to a nice Cha score to and use Divine Might/Shield or should you just pump str?
And is it worth to take Epic Mage Armor and mythral your gear. Use those +4 to armor/deflection/natural ect and pump saves, stats ect?
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Leggomi Eggolas
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 0:24 AM |
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Clerics cannot take Epic Mage Armor.
And it's +5 to Deflection/Natural/Dodge/Armor AC.
Strength based paladins with devastating critical are indeed possible, but usually must use a subrace like Aasimar or Tuigan to have their primary stats be respectable.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 0:45 AM |
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Cleric/Paladin(BG)/Rogue
26/3/1
You never need dev crit if you use an x3 weapon really Cleric nabs you 5 attacks per round... 3 base + (haste/divine power) So really you are already kicking ass.
Epic Mage Armor would be waste I think.. Clerics can +5 their armor, shield, and deflectin (cloak,belt,ring) and they get +5 boots easily available in the module too.
taking Pally/BG for the Saves...
Lets see 14 base Cha +12 = 26(+8 modifier)... This means you get 11 casts per day (with no extra turning) of +8ac and...
So your AC =
Armor= Plate (8) +5
Dex Mod= max mod +1
Shield = tower (3) +5
Dodge= +5 boots, +4 haste, +8(with div shield)
Deflection- +5
Natural- +4
Tumble- +6
Base +10
so... 56AC and 64AC with div shield for pvp, double spawns, and those pesky bosses..
AB will be pretty nice too I think... 14 starting str and with cleric you can afford to make that 26 as well im sure just off of gear...
25 ab(divine power)
+5 weapon, +1 weapon focus, +2 ewf, +1 aid, +1 bless, +1 prayer, +2 battletide, +8 str bonus, (44... i know im misssing something here)
And pretty good saves.. All of them around 35 I beleive after buffing before specific gear.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 0:59 AM |
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Quote: Where does your natural Cha need to be at to make Divine Might and Shield worthwhile to take?
This was the original build for my Pally Chap Tauronemhet based on my experience with Div Might/Shield
Mulan Human
20 Pally 8 Fighter 2 Rogue
17str (24 + 2 Gr. Str)
8dex (7)
8con
13 wisdom (14)
10int
16 cha
Pre-Epic: Power Attack, Cleave, Gr. Cleave, WF, Div Might, Div Shield, Imp Critical, Blindfight, Knockdown (From Fighter)
Epic: Gr Str I and II, Epic Weapon Focus, Weapon Spec
Epic Fighters: Overwhelming, Devastating, Epic Weapon Spec, Armor Skin
16 cha is my minimum on a Div Mighter/Shielder. Played a BG with 14 and it blew.
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Socially and recently politically Inept Knight of Xymor
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 1:02 AM |
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Don't listen to pidge
26 2 2 is the way of the Paladin Cleric. Evasion combined with Pally Saves combined with spellcraft is better than remove disease.
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Socially and recently politically Inept Knight of Xymor
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 1:06 AM |
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Shup Chris, I had that in the CBC 26/2/2 for pally mix... BG I had 3bg in there for it though... bastarahmonger!
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jafman30
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 2:24 AM |
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Location: The Land of Confusion.
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Ok, so im going to get these classes right if it kills me(which it might!). im going to rebuild him, when i get some dcs of course, because i'd much rather not have to hunt at level 1  So... i can go with 2monk/21ranger/6Sd -or- 2monk/21ranger/6fighter -or- 1 monk on either of those. Any suggestion/comments are appreciated (else i wouldn't post it on the forums lol)
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blackvswhite
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 2:35 AM |
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can someone explain how the amia barbarian rages work? are the ones on the sidebar in place of the regular rage feats or in addition? and do I need to do some special RP like with 1000 faces or can I just ask and get it?
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ticket
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 2:37 AM |
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Assuming you're Dex based...
Drop SD and go:
Ranger 23/Monk 3/Rogue 3
Or just drop Monk and go:
Ranger 23/SD 6
Ranger 21/SD 6/Fighter 2 or Rogue 2
Or drop Monk and SD both:
Ranger 23/Fighter 4/ Assassin 2
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jafman30
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 3:13 AM |
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Well Ticket, i know im not dropping monk, i plan to make this character have ten attacks per round, which can only be done with monk levels. But, dropping SD was most likely going to happen.
Maybe i should drop Ranger for something even? Like for sneak attacks.. i mean think about it, rogue with crippling strike+ten attacks per round, if you take a second delay to attack me back you could have already lost 4-8 str. Or if you ARENT attacking me and you arent a DD, well... your going to lose str pretty quickly. and that on a dexer makes their damage even less.
So, i could take 1or2monk/27/28 rogue or 1(2)monk/21(22)rogue/6SD... no scratch that, im not taking SD. with a character with ten attacks per round and some decent ac, he should be able to stand toe to toe with someone, and if not i can always corner sneak and such.
I'll think on it and give you guys any other idea i get. Other than that, lets say i went 2monk/27rogue, whaddayou suggest featwise?
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Xiladei .: Amethyst Dragon Disciple.
Ryth .: Returning Elven Archer. Missing for some time.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 3:40 AM |
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jafman30 wrote: Well Ticket, i know im not dropping monk, i plan to make this character have ten attacks per round, which can only be done with monk levels. But, dropping SD was most likely going to happen.
Maybe i should drop Ranger for something even? Like for sneak attacks.. i mean think about it, rogue with crippling strike+ten attacks per round, if you take a second delay to attack me back you could have already lost 4-8 str. Or if you ARENT attacking me and you arent a DD, well... your going to lose str pretty quickly. and that on a dexer makes their damage even less.
So, i could take 1or2monk/27/28 rogue or 1(2)monk/21(22)rogue/6SD... no scratch that, im not taking SD. with a character with ten attacks per round and some decent ac, he should be able to stand toe to toe with someone, and if not i can always corner sneak and such.
I'll think on it and give you guys any other idea i get. Other than that, lets say i went 2monk/27rogue, whaddayou suggest featwise?
Well if you really obsessing over Kamas, 10 Monk 13 Rogue 6 Fighter w/ epic Dodge, Epic Weapon Spec and Crippling Strike. 7d6 sneaks multipled by ten is a a cruel amount of damage.
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Socially and recently politically Inept Knight of Xymor
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jafman30
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 4:00 AM |
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Mosh, thank you EVER SO much. I was looking for something along those lines, i had wanted something i could move faster in too, something that offered alright damage too.. Well, it can stand toe to toe with stuff, and if not, run away quicker than them too, for that wonderful cornersneak. Hopefully he will have a good enough AC for toe-to-toe fights... i can only hope, because Shadow Elf and all, well, he wont be able to team with many people really..
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Xiladei .: Amethyst Dragon Disciple.
Ryth .: Returning Elven Archer. Missing for some time.
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maglorine
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 4:25 AM |
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Leggomi Eggolas wrote: Strength based paladins with devastating critical are indeed possible, but usually must use a subrace like Aasimar or Tuigan to have their primary stats be respectable.
Also works nicely with strongheart halfling if you can deal with a +2 ECL.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 4:56 AM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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jafman30 wrote: Ok, so im going to get these classes right if it kills me(which it might!). im going to rebuild him, when i get some dcs of course, because i'd much rather not have to hunt at level 1 So... i can go with 2monk/21ranger/6Sd -or- 2monk/21ranger/6fighter -or- 1 monk on either of those. Any suggestion/comments are appreciated (else i wouldn't post it on the forums lol) Just remake him... Why the hell waste DCs on relelveing ever, add a space or a period and remake him completely... you need 3 monk to get any usage from it, unless you a Palladoom _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 5:08 AM |
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How bad is it to have your subrace be an outsider? Do you get spammed with "turn" by clerics or spells that destroy outsiders?
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 5:09 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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Paladhooms do not use monk.
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Davion Telemos - Monk of the Four Winds
Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 5:15 AM |
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Location: London, UK
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TormakSaber wrote: Paladhooms do not use monk.
Thoght 1 level of monk was taken for cleave... ah.. Im thinkg Blackguardadhooms _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Thu, Jul 23 2009, 5:16 AM |
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They don't use monk, either. It makes you lose UMD. Not acceptable. Bar none.
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