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GreatPigeon
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 Posted: Sat, Jul 11 2009, 23:53 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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Cleric 23, BG 4, Rogue 3.. Improves on your DC for dev, battletide and aura effectively gives you +4 to DC...
Id build it around cleric personally for frost maiden...
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 0:17 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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Cleric 25 BG 3 Rogue 2.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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ticket
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 1:10 AM |
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BlackDahlya wrote: Mainly, it needs to have:
- Drow
- Dual-Wielding DEX Based
- Epic Dodge
- Epic Focus on Hide & Spot
- HiPS Idea
- Able to solo-hunt in case I couldn't find someone to help me, since this will be a self-rebuild. It would take me forever to make a rebuild with DCs. Drow... check
Dual-wield DEX Based... check
Epic Dodge... check
Epic focus Hide & Spot... check
HiPS... CheckSolo-hunt... If you're patient enough and pick sneakable enemies, maybe.Quote: Rogue(13), Fighter(8), Shadowdancer(7), Drow
STR: 8
DEX: 19 (26)
CON: 12
WIS: 13
INT: 14 [16] Drow bonus
CHA: 8 [10] Drow bonus
Rogue(1) Ambidexterity
Rogue(2)
Rogue(3) Weapon Finesse
Rogue(4)
Rogue(5)
Rogue(6) Two-Weapon Fighting
Rogue(7)
Rogue(8)
Rogue(9) Weapon Focus
Rogue(10) Crippling Strike
Fighter(1) Improved Critical
Fighter(2) Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, Dodge
Fighter(3)
Fighter(4) Weapon Specialization
Rogue(11) Mobility
Rogue(12)
Shadowdancer(1)
Shadowdancer(2) Toughness
Shadowdancer(3)
Shadowdancer(4)
Fighter(5) Epic Skill Focus: Hide
Fighter(6) Epic Weapon Focus
Shadowdancer(5)
Shadowdancer(6) Epic Skill Focus: Spot
Fighter(7)
Fighter(8) Epic Weapon Specialization
Rogue(13) Epic Dodge, Improved Evasion
Shadowdancer(7)
It has 13 Wisdom only but more HP (270 up to 450).
Not sure if this is an improvement over your own build to be honest. My version runs around with 39 AB dual wielding. It's more SD (HiPS) centric though so you hit things flatfooted.
Pros:
Slightly more skills.
Gets Crippling Strike, Improve Critical & Improve two weapon fighting faster.
Epic weapon specialization.
Maxes out Hide, Move Silent & Spot Skills @ 31.
Gets a bonus feat - Slippery Mind.
Cons:
Gets hit by XP penalty earlier.
1 Less AB.
Improved Evasion comes late.
Anyways I'm sure the others could pick it apart better.
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ticket
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 1:19 AM |
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Joined: 02 Jan 2009
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fireprooftroll wrote: But really, I'm not sure what to get. Dev crit is a plus, but what I really want is extreme survivability vs all the PvP builds out there, while I chug true strike and whip them till they're on the floor.
16 Fighter/4 Bard/10 PM on a Tuigan.
If you're a cleric and you're chugging true strike potions you deserve to be slapped.
Anyways, it's really the player that makes the build imho. Even the simple 12 Fighter/16 WM/2 Rogue or 24 Barbarian/4 Fighter/2 Rogue, when used correctly has a good chance of beating down these 'pvp' builds.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 1:29 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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I'd go 10 fighter/16 PM and find a way to get the 20 cha by taking bard. EMA is a hell of a gear opener with the mythal system.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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ticket
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 1:35 AM |
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Joined: 02 Jan 2009
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3 Attacks per round and low AB & Damage? *Shudders*
Would make a good heal kit specialist in parties though. Be the guy that will always survive when things go south.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 2:13 AM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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TormakSaber wrote: I'd go 10 fighter/16 PM and find a way to get the 20 cha by taking bard. EMA is a hell of a gear opener with the mythal system.
What is EMA ? _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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maglorine
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 2:17 AM |
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Joined: 13 Oct 2006
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Epic Mage Armor.
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True Greenspan - Bendir's Boy Wonder
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 2:34 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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ticket wrote: 3 Attacks per round and low AB & Damage? *Shudders*
Would make a good heal kit specialist in parties though. Be the guy that will always survive when things go south.
Yeah. Both are functional, it just depends on which way you want to go. The gear freedom afforded by EMA can mean a whole whole lot.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 4:26 AM |
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Joined: 24 Nov 2006
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I was thinking about putting together a barb. I was thinking a barb/bg or cot/tumble,umd. Mainly barb, a bit of bg or cot for heavy armor. bg for possible self buffs with bg spells(unholy sword looks like a nice help) or cot for saves and extra feats, and then rg or bard for tumble dump/umd.
I am solid on arranging the feats needed to survive or get dev crit but how viable is a hvy barb build in the high lvl mobs and pvp? Also are the bg spells worth the trouble to invest the wisdom points and levels in the build?
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 5:08 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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No, not worth investing for. Barbarian 25/BG3/rogue 2 is the sweet spot, I think.
Ruce just rolled a barbguard so he'll probably have some input when he gets to this topic.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Uberuce
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 6:29 AM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Location: Near the bar.
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Pare is Barb24/BG4/Rogue2. My opinion of Divine Might/Shield is that they only really work when the other classes are AB-whoring ones, to make up for ability points being drawn away from STR/DEX/WIS. Epic Barbs get that juicy +6AB boost, so they're in business.
He started 16STR, 16CHA and originally I was going to go for a fairly even split, probably ending 20 STR, 20 CHA and Terrifying Rage, but I noticed that I could boost STR, take Great STR III and qualify for Thundering Rage. That meant he couldn't get Epic Weapon Focus, but he still weighs in at 50AB, so I'm not crying too much.
Pretty much wrote itself:
1 Power Attack
1 Cleave
3 Weapon Prof Exotic
6 Weapon Focus
9 Improved Crit
12 Divine Might
15 Divine Shield
18 Blindfight
21 Armourskin
24 Great STR
27 Great STR
30 Great STR
Barb24: Thundering Rage
I went Exotic weapons since I'd never used a bastard sword before and they look ace. Powerwise, I'd have been better off with a martial weapon.
If I had built him primarily for PvP I'd probably have gone for Epic Weapon Focus and Terrifying Rage and the aforementioned 20/20 CHA/STR split.
Another option would have been to ditch Divine Might/Shield and leave CHA down at 10, go for Devcrit and just use the BG goodies of Aura of Despair, the saves and the Sneak attack. You could maybe juggle the two with some minmaxing and being an evil Tuigan spaz, but that's not to my tastes.
The non-Evil version is Barb24/Cleric4/Bard4. It loses 1BAB since it has to take Cleric pre-epic, but gets one spare feat from not needing Cleave the way BG does, and of course there's no lore problems with a Tuigan of this build.
I'd be tempted to take Extend Spell there, just for the giggles of Divine Favour, all +1 of it. That implies taking 12WIS, but then I'm somewhat dubious on the notion of a Cleric with sub-11 WIS anyway.
The Bard/Cleric version can, for a giggle stack up their minor AB boosts for the likes of bossfights or arena matches. They'll expire pretty soon, but that's some no-nonsense AB and damage while they're on.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 15:24 PM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Barbs are pretty poundy with a two hander. Without WM levels for instance Khartak (my dorf Burb) does 180+ criticals depending on Flame Buff.
For giggles his highest critical to date is 271 against a fire giant witch with Prayer/1d12 cold/Battletide/Bard Song/Power Attack/War Cry/Div Favor Scroll/Wonderforged Great Axe/Epic Weapon Spec/14 strength mod/thundering Rage.
My actual point is that i reckon a Barbs better two handering PvM
Quote: Barb24/Cleric4/Bard4.
Thats the drinking mans build where Amia Suddenly has 32 levels available.
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Socially and recently politically Inept Knight of Xymor
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 15:39 PM |
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Joined: 24 Nov 2006
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I have always had doubts about divine might. Say you left Cha and rolled those 10 att points into Str. I know not all 10 would roll over due to the scaling point cost at character creation but it would at least amount to +6 str or so. That is +3 ab and +3 damage to every swing at all times vs +5 damage to attacks for a limited duration also limited amount of times per day. So for me the question is it worth it for the limited AC bonus?
What about 24 barb, 4 cot, 2 rg. That would give me a free +4 feats from the bg build (PA, cleave, Divine M & S) also gain +2 feats.
I would lose +3 on saves but could gain at least 2 back by taking feats. I would also gain a little more feat diversity like possible knockdown ect
1 Luck of Hero
1 Weapon Focus
3 Weapon Fro Exotic
6 knockdown
9 Improve Crit
12 Expertise
15 Strong will/Great Fort
18 Blindfight
21 Great Str/Armourskin
24 Great Str
27 Great Str
30 Terrifying Rage
Barb 24 Thundering
Cot Epic Weapon Focus
Cot Epic Prowness/Armorskin
I was hoping that the bg was going to be worth it for the Amia added spells as well. But it seems that they are not worth it for the investments. BG do add a bit of sneaks attacks and spells of their own, plus a dash of evil flavor
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Uberuce
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 15:57 PM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Location: Near the bar.
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MoshingChris wrote: Quote: Barb24/Cleric4/Bard4. Thats the drinking mans build where Amia Suddenly has 32 levels available. Yir maw's got baws. Barb24/Cleric2/Bard4, even. That means no Extended DF, but that was a silly idea anyway.
Grapeshot: you can only get 18 STR from a human at start, costing 16 points, so you'd end up with four spare. That's not a bad thing, per se, they can go into having 16 CON well enough, but you only gain +1AB at the cost of 9AC, 8 damage and a bucketful of saves.
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Grapeshot
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 16:15 PM |
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Uberuce wrote: MoshingChris wrote: Quote: .
Grapeshot: you can only get 18 STR from a human at start, costing 16 points, so you'd end up with four spare. That's not a bad thing, per se, they can go into having 16 CON well enough, but you only gain +1AB at the cost of 9AC, 8 damage and a bucketful of saves. But if you rolled the 4 points that took cha from 16 to 20 and put those 4 in str is another +2. So total str gain is +3 ab and damage at the cost of +5 temp damage. You lose +5 in saves but gain +2 back in cot levels. You gain another +1 for luck of heros. You do lose +5 ac in divine shield but gain 5 feats(really +6 but plan on using one for luck of hero).
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Silent2001
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 16:20 PM |
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Joined: 19 Jun 2007
Location: United Kingdomshire
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I've made a rather amusing build, and for those not geared for SD combat well... It might possibly be the most -annoying- build.
Tiefer.
Starting dex 18 (With +2)
Starting int 16 (With +2)
Starting Stregnth 12
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Skills (Roughly)
Listen
Tumble
Hide
Move Silently
Use Magic Device
Discipline
Set Trap
Search
Disable Trap
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Weapon Focus, Heavy Crossbow
Imp Crit Heavy Crossbow
Rapid Reload
Point blank shot
Toughness
Dodge
Called Shot
Mobility
Weapon Finesse (Just incase you run out of bolts!)
Blind Fight (actually works with ranged weapons afaik)
Weapon Specialisation Heavy Crossbow
Spring Attack
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Level spread pre epic
7 fighter
7 rogue
6 shadow dancer
Level 21/Fighter - EWS/EWF - Heavy Crossbow
Level 22+ Rogue
Level 24 - Improved Evasion / Great Dex
Level 27 - Skill Mastery (for Traps.) / Epic Dodge
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I think it's simple and amusing, use traps against builds kitted out for SD fighting and mages with low reflex, Sonic for fighters. / And pack Balagrans horn pots for mages.
If the critter your fighting is immune to crits, just stay back and annoy them with long range combat, take potions of haste to misplace yourself to avoid area of effect instant kill spells.
Always fight on your terms, attack while they rest, etc, etc. Be -really- dirty!
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Equipment suggestions
Ring of Resistances/Scarab of Protection for +12 to saving throws (Good for Fort Based Saves.)
Belt of Freedom
Hide/MS cloak, boots, armour.
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Ending level spread
15Rogue
8Fighter
6Shadow Dancer
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Scrolls/Wands you must have!
Tensers Transformation (If they've removed the shapeshift)
Shapechange - Slaadi, just incase.
Improved Invis Wands
Balagrans Horn
True Strike
Mantle Spells
Bigby Spells
Any fixes, suggestions?
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HellScourge
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 16:48 PM |
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Joined: 17 Jan 2007
Location: GMT+1
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In itself, not to shabby.
1d10, 17-20 x2 +1 (Mighty) +6d6 sneak attack, + 6 (WS and EWS)
At 5 attacks per round, 6 if hasted.
I'd might suggest to take Called shot, and aim at their legs, to slow them down for 4 rounds and giving them less dex too. Meaning that if they reach you they will have -8 to dex, -4 to reflex, and are more prone to the traps..
Even though you don't get sneak attacks in will you still cause some nice damage and perhaps cause them to stop to drink a potion, causing them to be flatfooted for 1 round, enabling you 2 sneak attacks again.
Also, no level 30 for you, tiefling are ECL+1, so you can only reach 29.
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Silent2001
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 16:51 PM |
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Joined: 19 Jun 2007
Location: United Kingdomshire
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Ah, no problem then. Slippery Mind isn't all that important.
Also, I left Called shot of the list. Silly me.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 17:00 PM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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So you've basically made a stock shadow griefer without access to the level 10 shadow griefer store on an ECL +1 subrace thus losing a feat.
On a tiefer aswell with no will saves meaning you'll likely get killed by dismissals.
You also lack Epic Hide which means you'll be running around with piddling Hide so most people wont need to hurt their gearsets to kill you.
Edit: Removed because it was already mentioned.
I'm not even going to get into how much of an ass-clown you've made of yourself with your "I'm pvp happy" post.
The build isn't even what i would consider a "Good" SD either. Mediocre at best. Epic Hide or Epic Spot are a pre-requisite of being a "Good" SD.
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Silent2001
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 17:07 PM |
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Location: United Kingdomshire
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I wasn't intending on making myself an ass-clown. 
I was merely suggesting how to deal with different classes - I also wasn't aware of a level 10 SD store, you could theasibly drop four rogue levels in exchange for SD levels if the gear is -that- good. And considering Dismissal is a level 5 spell, meaning the DC won't be that high thus possible to save against - and with 10 SD levels you increase your chance of saving with Slippery Mind.
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Phantom-D
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 17:27 PM |
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Joined: 01 Aug 2005
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MoshingChris wrote: The build isn't even what i would consider a "Good" SD either. Mediocre at best. Epic Hide or Epic Spot are a pre-requisite of being a "Good" SD.
Maybe I don't PvP enough but I REALLY haven't ever needed those two feats to HiPS during any combat. The only place that sees me are abyss creatures sporadically.
Sure there are the people every now and then that can spot me but I haven't found it a problem. Am I doing it right? I generally found that dedicated spotters spot you no matter what you have on so it isn't important to build against them, just come up with another plan.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 17:28 PM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Location: Near the bar.
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A Shadowdancer is assumed to be able to beat up any other character except another Shadowdancer or a competent mage.
It's one of those assumptions like the one where you are expected to make it through the day without crapping yourself. Not much of an acheivement if you manage it, and ho boy do you look silly when you fail.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 17:31 PM |
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Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Silent2001 wrote: I wasn't intending on making myself an ass-clown. I was merely suggesting how to deal with different classes - I also wasn't aware of a level 10 SD store, you could theasibly drop four rogue levels in exchange for SD levels if the gear is -that- good. And considering Dismissal is a level 5 spell, meaning the DC won't be that high thus possible to save against - and with 10 SD levels you increase your chance of saving with Slippery Mind. *Hurls an empty bottle of Johnny Walker at you*
The point is to forget about Shadow Prancer dammit.
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Socially and recently politically Inept Knight of Xymor
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Silent2001
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Posted: Sun, Jul 12 2009, 17:34 PM |
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Joined: 19 Jun 2007
Location: United Kingdomshire
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Well, 21 rogue / 8 Fighter works too, nice damage! But I've never had a SD, I usually play mages/fighters
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Niam_leafwing
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Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2009, 10:54 AM |
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Joined: 13 Jul 2009
Location: Sweden
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I was thinking of making this build:
(Drow)
4 Bard, 16 PM 8 BG. It´s going to have maxed Str and and gets devcrit at 27 or 28 if I´m correct. Its also going to get a red dragon summon.. Only bad thing I´ve found on it is: 13 Wis, which means I´m not going to be able to use the BG unholy avenger. And its very low AB.
By the way, is the level 16 Goul King summon decent?
The progression is going to be something like this:
3 Bard.
!0 PM
7 BG.
6 PM
1 BG
1 Bard (For skilldump)
Any suggestions?
I was also considering making a 3 bard, 15 BG 10 PM (wich means I will lose the tumble skilldump) but instead of Dragon summon get a epic Fiendish servant. (BG) 
EDIT: Just realized that its impossible getting epic fiendish servant at 15 BG.. You need 16 for bonus feat.
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Dakotaen
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Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2009, 19:06 PM |
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Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Location: Denmark
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Is there any way of making a Human Pally 30 not suck?
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2009, 19:12 PM |
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Joined: 10 Jul 2007
Location: Finland
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Yes. Make a Human Pally 30 and don't suck.
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Dakotaen
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Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2009, 19:35 PM |
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Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Location: Denmark
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Oh wait, I forgot. Is it possible to make a human 30 pally with Great Smite?
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2009, 19:41 PM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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Sure. Even easier if you go like Mulan to help with the wisdom and free up a point or so.
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Sokar Rostau
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Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2009, 20:11 PM |
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Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Location: Australia
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If it's Great Smite you want just go 20Pal/10CoT. There's nothing you need from those last 10 Pally levels you can't get from CoT.
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"I'm sorry, baby, I had to feed that pony to a dragon."
"Oh. Whose horse is this?"
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"Whose Warhorse is this?"
"Zed's"
"Who's Zed?"
"Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead."
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Dakotaen
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Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2009, 20:47 PM |
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Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Location: Denmark
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Sokar Rostau wrote: If it's Great Smite you want just go 20Pal/10CoT. There's nothing you need from those last 10 Pally levels you can't get from CoT.
That's pretty much where I am now. But if it's possible to have a really functional build with a pure pally, I'd rather have that.
And Tormy, it has to be the basic human race, no subrace or anything. I've been trying to set up a decent build, but so far I've only come somewhat close acceptable. By acceptable, I don't mean good, no.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2009, 21:05 PM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Location: Near the bar.
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STR 14
DEX 8
CON 8
WIS 14
INT 10
CHA 18 -> 25, feated to 26
270 HP isn't crucifyingly awful, I suppose, and it's not like you're short on Fort save with a 14 CHA mod.
21 Armourskin
Pally23 Great CHA
24 Great Smite
Pally26 Epic WF
27 Great Smite II
Pally 29 Great Smite III
30 Great Smite IV, but I would go Epic Discipline.
It's stoppy-starty as all hell, and even the 14 rounds of Might/Shield isn't enough to dust most mobs alone, but in a party where the timings are faster it's a damn good DPS machine. I played a pure Pally gold dwarf ages ago, she was fierce with all the lights and music on.
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Dakotaen
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Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2009, 21:22 PM |
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Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Location: Denmark
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Yummy! I was afraid of the 8 Con when I tried messing around with it, and if I remember right, there's really no space for Toughness in that one. I'll try and see how barable it is, since I'm not too keen on running around smashing things, I suppose it might be okay.
Anywho, thanks, I'll dive around with it abit in the character creator I use, and see where it gets me.
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Sokar Rostau
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Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2009, 2:12 AM |
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Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Location: Australia
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Monk 24, Fighter 4, SD 2.
Thoughts?
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Guxx
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Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2009, 2:39 AM |
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Joined: 04 Dec 2007
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For a long while now I've been considering doing a self rebuild of my main character. At the moment he's a half-drow Barb18/Rogue3/Fighter4 and well he does alright against most critters he's nothing great and I know I've screwed up his build some.
Seeing as I'm no good at builds I figured I'd come ask for some help, though there's a few requirements. I'd really like him to not wear any armor heaver then a chain shirt (at the moment he's wearing leather) just because I still like to think of him as a somewhat agile fighter (even if it's not agile by Amia standards).
The two ideas of I've been thinking of are either sticking with Rogue/Barb/Fighter but fixing the mistakes I made the first time or making him into Rogue/Barb/WM (Would even add to the RP of the rebuild as he stops using his mainsword until he's decided he's proven he's worthy of it)... Either way I'd like to go for a Str based build, hopefully going for Devcrit... Oh, and 15 levels of Barb would be nice just for the Amia rage it gives.
Any suggests?
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2009, 4:10 AM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Sokar Rostau wrote: Monk 24, Fighter 4, SD 2.
Thoughts?
A very expensive way to get 10 percent more speed and uncanny dodge without getting Epic Dodge.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2009, 4:14 AM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Guxx wrote: For a long while now I've been considering doing a self rebuild of my main character. At the moment he's a half-drow Barb18/Rogue3/Fighter4 and well he does alright against most critters he's nothing great and I know I've screwed up his build some.
Seeing as I'm no good at builds I figured I'd come ask for some help, though there's a few requirements. I'd really like him to not wear any armor heaver then a chain shirt (at the moment he's wearing leather) just because I still like to think of him as a somewhat agile fighter (even if it's not agile by Amia standards).
The two ideas of I've been thinking of are either sticking with Rogue/Barb/Fighter but fixing the mistakes I made the first time or making him into Rogue/Barb/WM (Would even add to the RP of the rebuild as he stops using his mainsword until he's decided he's proven he's worthy of it)... Either way I'd like to go for a Str based build, hopefully going for Devcrit... Oh, and 15 levels of Barb would be nice just for the Amia rage it gives.
Any suggests?
Dev Crit with Amias gear/mythal system isn't as good as a Thundering/Intimidating Rage dual in my honest opinion. I'd suggest a 20 Barb 6 Fighter 2 Rogue.
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Guxx
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Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2009, 4:50 AM |
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MoshingChris wrote: Dev Crit with Amias gear/mythal system isn't as good as a Thundering/Intimidating Rage dual in my honest opinion. I'd suggest a 20 Barb 6 Fighter 2 Rogue.
I keep hearing good and bad about Intimidating Rage, is the fear effect really worth the hassle it supposedly causes groups when hunting?
Also, is it possible to do both Dev Crit and Rages?
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Uberuce
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Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2009, 6:01 AM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Location: Near the bar.
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It's possible to get Thundering Terrifying Devcritting Rage, yus. That's 'only' four feats, so if you started with 19STR from Tuigan/Woodelf/halforc, you'd not even have to get any bonus epic feats in your build and you'd still get 26 base STR.
That means no save/skill feats, Armourskin or Epic WF, though, which is kinda silly, so play around with various combinations of Barb24/28 and Barb/Ftr or Barb/CoT until you've got the ones you need. Barb24/Frt4/Rogue2 is the old faithful here; that yields five bonus feats, of which most folk chew up two for Epic Weapon Spec, leaving three for Armourskin, Epic WF and then you can rejiggle so you get your Epic Fort/Discipline. Or, if you haven't gone 19STR at start, then you'd use that for Great STR.
Terrifying Rage is a complete pain in the arse when the bad guys aren't fear immune, and are in a big open dungeon but at high epic, most of the critters are fearless so it's okay. The biggest impact is for farming gold - you don't want to use the Abyss and Manor as your loot mines, so you'd either have to use Mindflayers in their teensy tiny rooms or go Rageless.
With Devcrit, farming loot from Brog is never a major issue anyway.
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Mountain of Madness
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Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2009, 6:42 AM |
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Joined: 19 Mar 2008
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Doesn't light, a 0th level spell, negate shadow dancing?
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2009, 6:49 AM |
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Joined: 10 Jul 2007
Location: Finland
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Not according to the mechanics, but there's some IC-thing if Shadowdancers get struck by the Light spell, they can no longer HiPS.
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Phantom-D
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Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2009, 15:07 PM |
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Joined: 01 Aug 2005
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If you get hit with light just cast darkness and hide. Or run around a corner since light doesn't stop corner sneaking.
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Guxx
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Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2009, 2:35 AM |
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Joined: 04 Dec 2007
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I'm trying to work out feats on my build and I've got one question... can I take the epic rages on non barbarian levels if I meet the requirements?
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2009, 2:46 AM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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Im pretty sure no?
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Guxx
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Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2009, 4:31 AM |
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Joined: 04 Dec 2007
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Alright... this is what I've got so far...
Half-Drow
Rogue 1 Barb 19 pre-epic to rogue 2 Barb 24 Fighter 4
STR 18 (ends 26)
DEX 14
CON 14
INT 10
WIS 8
CHA 8
Leveling Order:
Rogue 1
Barb 1-19
Fighter 1-4
Barb 20-24
Rogue 2
Feats
1. Blind Fight
3. Exotic Weapon Prof
6. Weapon Focus (Bastardsword)
9. Improve Crit (Bastardsword)
12. Power Attack
15. Cleave
18. Great Cleave
21. Epic Weapon Focus, Overwhelming Crits
22. Great Str 1
24. Weapon Spec (Bastardsword), Epic Weapon Spec (Bastardsword)
27. Dev Crit (Bastardsword)
29. Thundering Rage
30. Terrifying Rage
Feel free to tear the build apart if it's horrible.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2009, 5:00 AM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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I reckon you've been playing long enough that you don't need a Rogue level in pre-epic.
Just go 20 Barb in there.
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Guxx
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Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2009, 5:08 AM |
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Joined: 04 Dec 2007
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Taking rogue first level was mostly because I was worried about being skill starved since I haven't taken the time to figure out how many skill points I'll have to toss around yet.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2009, 5:22 AM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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You will most likely be wearing heavy armor in epic levels so your dex is a bit to high for my tastes. Id lower it down to say 8 or 10. 1 pot or even a extra little push on a geat is gonna push it to the 12 point (+1 dex mod max)...
Feel free to put extra points wherever. If you need skill points (dont think you do go intel) Id recommend con though. It creases hp, and the duration of your rage.
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Guxx
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Posted: Wed, Jul 15 2009, 5:25 AM |
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GreatPigeon wrote: You will most likely be wearing heavy armor in epic levels so your dex is a bit to high for my tastes. Id lower it down to say 8 or 10. 1 pot or even a extra little push on a geat is gonna push it to the 12 point (+1 dex mod max)...
Feel free to put extra points wherever. If you need skill points (dont think you do go intel) Id recommend con though. It creases hp, and the duration of your rage.
Referring back to my original post, I don't intend to be wearing anything heavier then a chain shirt just because I feel it doesn't fit the character to be running around in a tin suit.
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