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GreatPigeon
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 Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 17:12 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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17 levels of sorceror doesnt get 9th level spells though, I think that they need 18 levels to be able to cast 9th tier?
_________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Arcane9999
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 17:25 PM |
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Location: Retired from Amia
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HellScourge wrote: Take the 2 fighter/3 bg levels pre epic for 4 attacks per round. The other 2 fighter levels and sorc levels for automatic silent spell 3, also push in some epic spells, like mummy dust or DK.
it should come out with some neat AC, although you will miss out 5 AC from tumble.
This one sounds fine to me. Could you please send me a PM with the complete details, if you can? I'd want to take up Exotic Proficiency and a Scythe, cause I love the criticals.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 17:27 PM |
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Location: London, UK
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My recomendation is 23 Sorc, 3 Rogue, 4 BG...
BG Levels get you Divine Might and Shield.
With Max Cha, your looking at 16 casts of either div shield or might for +16 ac or damage for 1.5 minutes each. It works good that way I think.
All the Sorc spells can give you like acid sheath and such and give ya enough (hey dont f'n attack me or it'll hurt).
Dont know If you can get autostill spell 3, Im not good with caster stuff.
But If you could...
Plate: 8+4+1
Shield: 3+4
Boots:+4
Deflection: +4
Shadow Shield: +5(natural armor bonus)
Div Shield: +16
Haste:+4
Base: +10
Tumble: +6
ArmorSkin?: +2
TOTAL: 71 AC Woop Woop! Very few people will be critting you without someone buffing.
Saves will all Rock, around 35+ I think easy?
Ab will be low, Is tehre a way to get Divine Power Scrolls?
_________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 17:29 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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Azdrerios wrote: HellScourge wrote: Take the 2 fighter/3 bg levels pre epic for 4 attacks per round. The other 2 fighter levels and sorc levels for automatic silent spell 3, also push in some epic spells, like mummy dust or DK.
it should come out with some neat AC, although you will miss out 5 AC from tumble. This one sounds fine to me. Could you please send me a PM with the complete details, if you can? I'd want to take up Exotic Proficiency and a Scythe, cause I love the criticals. Why do people like scythe so much? Id prefer x3 crit on the Dwarven Axe, instead of the x4, and getting to have antoher 6-7AC. _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Kjetta
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 17:30 PM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2006
Location: A Clean, Well-Lighted Place
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GreatPigeon wrote: My recomendation is 23 Sorc, 3 Rogue, 4 BG...
BG Levels get you Divine Might and Shield.
With Max Cha, your looking at 16 casts of either div shield or might for +16 ac or damage for 1.5 minutes each. It works good that way I think.
All the Sorc spells can give you like acid sheath and such and give ya enough (hey dont f'n attack me or it'll hurt).
Dont know If you can get autostill spell 3, Im not good with caster stuff.
But If you could...
Plate: 8+4+1
Shield: 3+4
Boots:+4
Deflection: +4
Shadow Shield: +5(natural armor bonus)
Div Shield: +16
Haste:+4
Base: +10
Tumble: +6
ArmorSkin?: +2
TOTAL: 71 AC Woop Woop! Very few people will be critting you without someone buffing.
Saves will all Rock, around 35+ I think easy?
Ab will be low, Is tehre a way to get Divine Power Scrolls?
Haste +16 Divine Shield = 20 Dodge = Cap = Boots won't give ac. _________________ To err is human; to forgive divine, but VENGEANCE IS MINE!
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 17:33 PM |
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Location: London, UK
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Then you can use the boots that Give Con or something? Allows for more optimiaztion...
Divine shield will not be on all the time So have an extra pair you can switch on. Does this work out. Hell even without it its 67AC... Thats better then 90 pct of Amia. Can tank just about any monsters I think. And Also you could have a summon 8-9 out there buffed up.
_________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Arcane9999
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 17:39 PM |
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Joined: 05 Sep 2008
Location: Retired from Amia
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GreatPigeon wrote: Azdrerios wrote: HellScourge wrote: Take the 2 fighter/3 bg levels pre epic for 4 attacks per round. The other 2 fighter levels and sorc levels for automatic silent spell 3, also push in some epic spells, like mummy dust or DK.
it should come out with some neat AC, although you will miss out 5 AC from tumble. This one sounds fine to me. Could you please send me a PM with the complete details, if you can? I'd want to take up Exotic Proficiency and a Scythe, cause I love the criticals. Why do people like scythe so much? Id prefer x3 crit on the Dwarven Axe, instead of the x4, and getting to have antoher 6-7AC. Because Dwarven Axe isn't cool. It's brutish.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 17:43 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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Then warhammer... Scythe lacks AC... and you can only use it one direction. When I played a modifed pnp version, it was using a scythe you get even larger penalties to being flanked and such.
Im just saying yes x4 is nice, but dont jip yourself on the free AC. You're gonna have have fairly low hp. If you use the shield giving you 67AC... anyone or monster will less then 47ab(i think its all monsters are under this except some bosses and a lot of builds may not reach that much AB unless they are buffed)
Without Shield you are down to 60AC.. A Lot easier to hit.. I think this is right... Anyone else?
_________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 17:52 PM |
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Joined: 10 Jul 2007
Location: Finland
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Kjetta wrote: GreatPigeon wrote: My recomendation is 23 Sorc, 3 Rogue, 4 BG...
BG Levels get you Divine Might and Shield.
With Max Cha, your looking at 16 casts of either div shield or might for +16 ac or damage for 1.5 minutes each. It works good that way I think.
All the Sorc spells can give you like acid sheath and such and give ya enough (hey dont f'n attack me or it'll hurt).
Dont know If you can get autostill spell 3, Im not good with caster stuff.
But If you could...
Plate: 8+4+1
Shield: 3+4
Boots:+4
Deflection: +4
Shadow Shield: +5(natural armor bonus)
Div Shield: +16
Haste:+4
Base: +10
Tumble: +6
ArmorSkin?: +2
TOTAL: 71 AC Woop Woop! Very few people will be critting you without someone buffing.
Saves will all Rock, around 35+ I think easy?
Ab will be low, Is tehre a way to get Divine Power Scrolls? Haste +16 Divine Shield = 20 Dodge = Cap = Boots won't give ac. Well, the point in that is using +6 Con boots. _________________  UCE THIS, YOU COW.
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Kirri
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 17:54 PM |
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I'm thinking about creating a Bard character and I got a question: Is there a specialized gear for Bards --- like shadowdancer items from academy for example?
I'm asking this because my build 26/3/1 (Bard/BG/Ranger) is featstarved and I cant afford an ESF: Perform and without it I dont think I would be able to hit 80 Perform he needs even if I use MCS. Any ideas?
Also, how much ranks in Animal Empathy is required to sucessfully dominate high level animals/magical beasts in Amia ?
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 17:54 PM |
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Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Azdrerios wrote: GreatPigeon wrote: Azdrerios wrote: HellScourge wrote: Take the 2 fighter/3 bg levels pre epic for 4 attacks per round. The other 2 fighter levels and sorc levels for automatic silent spell 3, also push in some epic spells, like mummy dust or DK.
it should come out with some neat AC, although you will miss out 5 AC from tumble. This one sounds fine to me. Could you please send me a PM with the complete details, if you can? I'd want to take up Exotic Proficiency and a Scythe, cause I love the criticals. Why do people like scythe so much? Id prefer x3 crit on the Dwarven Axe, instead of the x4, and getting to have antoher 6-7AC. Because Dwarven Axe isn't cool. It's brutish. And the scythe makes you look like a farmer.
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Socially and recently politically Inept Knight of Xymor
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Arcane9999
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 18:02 PM |
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Location: Retired from Amia
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MoshingChris wrote: Azdrerios wrote: GreatPigeon wrote: Azdrerios wrote: HellScourge wrote: Take the 2 fighter/3 bg levels pre epic for 4 attacks per round. The other 2 fighter levels and sorc levels for automatic silent spell 3, also push in some epic spells, like mummy dust or DK.
it should come out with some neat AC, although you will miss out 5 AC from tumble. This one sounds fine to me. Could you please send me a PM with the complete details, if you can? I'd want to take up Exotic Proficiency and a Scythe, cause I love the criticals. Why do people like scythe so much? Id prefer x3 crit on the Dwarven Axe, instead of the x4, and getting to have antoher 6-7AC. Because Dwarven Axe isn't cool. It's brutish. And the scythe makes you look like a farmer. Not necessarily.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 18:05 PM |
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Joined: 10 Jul 2007
Location: Finland
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If you ever skip for a bath and unstrap that silly Grim Reaper's robe of yours, you'll look like a Butt-naked Farmer.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 18:09 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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Kirri wrote: I'm thinking about creating a Bard character and I got a question: Is there a specialized gear for Bards --- like shadowdancer items from academy for example?
I'm asking this because my build 26/3/1 (Bard/BG/Ranger) is featstarved and I cant afford an ESF: Perform and without it I dont think I would be able to hit 80 Perform he needs even if I use MCS. Any ideas?
Also, how much ranks in Animal Empathy is required to sucessfully dominate high level animals/magical beasts in Amia ?
There is special bard gear, armor and chain that improve perform(without giving away everything).. Id say 30AE? Can get you some items that improve that greatly... Plus if you include song its like +13-15 for skills isnt it?
Sorc Build: Yes you'd look like a queer farmer being naked with a scythe, nobody take you seriously. As for th stats er.... 14 str, 8dex, 14 con, 8 wis, 10 intel, 18 cha.
@ putting boxes inside boxes - knock it off damnit! _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Kirri
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 18:20 PM |
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Joined: 17 Jun 2007
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GreatPigeon wrote: Kirri wrote: I'm thinking about creating a Bard character and I got a question: Is there a specialized gear for Bards --- like shadowdancer items from academy for example?
I'm asking this because my build 26/3/1 (Bard/BG/Ranger) is featstarved and I cant afford an ESF: Perform and without it I dont think I would be able to hit 80 Perform he needs even if I use MCS. Any ideas?
Also, how much ranks in Animal Empathy is required to sucessfully dominate high level animals/magical beasts in Amia ? There is special bard gear, armor and chain that improve perform(without giving away everything).. Id say 30AE? Can get you some items that improve that greatly... Plus if you include song its like +13-15 for skills isnt it? If you mean items from Triumvir I doubt they will help me much, armor is only +4 Perform and I was thinking of items with 7-10+ Perform.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 18:23 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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There is other gear... Also mythral your stuff..
_________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 18:31 PM |
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Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Uncle-Opustus wrote: If you ever skip for a bath and unstrap that silly Grim Reaper's robe of yours, you'll look like a Butt-naked Farmer.
Doesn't matter what your clothing looks like.
Hell i think even my DD scythe looks like its about to go butcher a wheat crop.
Perhaps a thing for another Alternative Beginnings.
The Yokels! Recommended weapons: Kukri, Sickle, Scythe, Quaterstaff and Trident Rp'ed as a pitch fork.
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Socially and recently politically Inept Knight of Xymor
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 18:43 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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MoshingChris wrote: Uncle-Opustus wrote: If you ever skip for a bath and unstrap that silly Grim Reaper's robe of yours, you'll look like a Butt-naked Farmer. Doesn't matter what your clothing looks like. Hell i think even my DD scythe looks like its about to go butcher a wheat crop. Perhaps a thing for another Alternative Beginnings. The Yokels! Recommended weapons: Kukri, Sickle, Scythe, Quaterstaff and Trident Rp'ed as a pitch fork. A new Clan... like Bloodbeard or the Drow Houses, Triadic Knighs
Give then a redneck name, Like Jebediah Wallbuurn... they all get last name, not cause they are in a House like Drow, but because they are all actually related. And the kids have mom and dad that are actually uncle/aunt...
Oh and you forgot about kamas (hand scythe). Another idea is great-axe (lumberjack). _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Arcane Crusader
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 18:43 PM |
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Joined: 21 Aug 2008
Location: Spokane, Wa.. USA
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So I'm being pestered about a weapon master. Looking for tons and tons of WM levels. Maybe fighter 10 and rogue/bard 1 WM 19. Worth doing or no? Can't say I am big on WM's. Looking for the love AB +1 Superior WF gets ya though. Taking the rogue/bard at 17 maybe for the tumble umd stuff? Lose 1 AC doing that but whatever. Gah, I hate Wm builds. I kind of liked the idea of 3 rogue/10 fighter/17 WM for uncanny dodge I. Plus it nets ya more skill points which in turn nets more tumble which = +1 AC. In turn you lose an epic feat though...Thoughts? Advice?
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xordae
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 18:56 PM |
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Location: Germany
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I really like the 14 Fighter / 16 WM.
The number of Epic Feats is maximized, you still profit from a +2 extra AB thanks to WM levels and you can take Epic Specialization with no sweat. As for Tumble.. with my WM I just spent 30 points to get 15 Tumble. You lose 3 AC which is a lot for some, but for a two-hander guy you're better off having decent Damage Resistance anyways.
10 Fighter / 19 WM / 1 Rogue and 11 Fighter / 19 WM both work well, too. With the latter allowing you to tape Epic Specialization too, I think, but at the expense of a regular Epic Feat. It's all just plus minus one bonus AB. With that in mind, I'd rather take the more "elegant" 14 / 16.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 19:01 PM |
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Joined: 10 Jul 2007
Location: Finland
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11/19 is the "I Am Better Than You Just Because I Know More About This Quarterstaff Than You", summarised it means that you're awesome.
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Arcane Crusader
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 19:08 PM |
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Location: Spokane, Wa.. USA
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A lot of DR items would have to be gotten in either case if I am thinking correctly to offset the lower AC? I'll have to get with you to find out where they are to be found Opus. Can't say I have ever used a single one. Always went for 60+ ac builds myself.
_________________ AllanaMolov said: "Dirk is like the grossest, worst version of Robin Hood ever and I love it"
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 19:10 PM |
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xordae wrote: I really like the 14 Fighter / 16 WM.
The number of Epic Feats is maximized, you still profit from a +2 extra AB thanks to WM levels and you can take Epic Specialization with no sweat. As for Tumble.. with my WM I just spent 30 points to get 15 Tumble. You lose 3 AC which is a lot for some, but for a two-hander guy you're better off having decent Damage Resistance anyways.
10 Fighter / 19 WM / 1 Rogue and 11 Fighter / 19 WM both work well, too. With the latter allowing you to tape Epic Specialization too, I think, but at the expense of a regular Epic Feat. It's all just plus minus one bonus AB. With that in mind, I'd rather take the more "elegant" 14 / 16.
12 fighter/2 rogue/16 WM is much more elegant and gains so much over the 14/16 it's crayz to not do it.
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xordae
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 19:18 PM |
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Location: Germany
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Well, it's not crazy in the case that you can just about fit all the feats into it. My reason for going 14 Fighter was so that I could take enough Great Strengths for the next better modifier. It is a little one-sided, but gives more AB, damage and Dev Crit DC. Guess that's the party variant, while a Rogue build stands better on its own.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 19:30 PM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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11 Fighter, 3 rogue, 16wm instead?
Gets you another 1d6 on sneak and gives uncanny dodge...
Maybe not enough feats for you though.
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xordae
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 19:36 PM |
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Location: Germany
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Naw, take Tormak's build instead then. You want that feat to take EWS.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 19:45 PM |
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Location: London, UK
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Figured youd take 8 fighter pre-epic, 3 rogue,9 wm pre-epic. level 21 cant you take ews? I dont see the problem if level 21 is a fighter level
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xordae
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 20:16 PM |
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Location: Germany
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For EWS you need to have picked Epic Weapon Focus already. Since your Epic Bonus Feat list is limited compared to the General Feats, take EWS on the 12th Fighter level as a Bonus Feat. Also if you start with 18 Strength, you want either 1 or any uneven number of Great Strength Feats. To be taken as early as possible once reaching Epic. I really wouldn't go for EWS early. Dev Crit is more important to get.
I would level it as follows:
10 Fighter + 10 WM up to level 20 distributed how you want.
Then 1 Rogue (Tumble 20, UMD), 6 WM, 1 Rogue (Tumble 30, UMD), 2 Fighter.
If you take any Rogue before epic, you might as well not level WM past 7 because you are effectively destroying the nice bonus AB again.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 20:18 PM |
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Location: London, UK
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Forgot about epic weapon focus being a pre requistite
_________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 21:04 PM |
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Joined: 10 Jul 2007
Location: Finland
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12 Fighter/16 WM/2 Rogue: Smart
14 Fighter/16 WM: Bragging rights
11 Fighter/19 WM: Ultimate bragging rights
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 21:16 PM |
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Location: London, UK
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Mr. TaterNoggin- Back to me Ranger. What skills work for that?
I get 7.... Im guessin your gonna tell me not to get heal  _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 22:05 PM |
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Location: Finland
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Wait, you can max seven skills or you gain seven per level?
EDIT: Or then you've seven left. *cough* Yes makes the most sense.
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Really Evil Pigeon
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Posted: Mon, Jun 29 2009, 23:00 PM |
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Ewww rogue preepic on a weaponmaster, toughen up and take ab all the way you little sissy, Oh you will need to party so what. *Huggles his weaponmasters bard*
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BrainSplitter
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 2:16 AM |
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Location: Victoria, Australia
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Uncle-Opustus wrote: 12 Fighter/16 WM/2 Rogue: Smart
14 Fighter/16 WM: Bragging rights
11 Fighter/19 WM: Ultimate bragging rights
;_;
I still prefer Fighter 14 / WM 13 / Rogue 3
Gives you a high end and mid-range tumble dumps, nice amount of skill points (especially if you can bite the -1 AB by taking the first level or two in Pre-Epic, since you can take it as a level 1. Still gives you alot of utility feats such as Improved Knockdown, Blindfight, etcetera and also leaves your epic feats a little open to get your STR that bit higher.
It's also piss-easy to level.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 2:20 AM |
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Location: London, UK
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WonWon wrote: Uncle-Opustus wrote: 12 Fighter/16 WM/2 Rogue: Smart
14 Fighter/16 WM: Bragging rights
11 Fighter/19 WM: Ultimate bragging rights ;_; I still prefer Fighter 14 / WM 13 / Rogue 3 Gives you a high end and mid-range tumble dumps, nice amount of skill points (especially if you can bite the -1 AB by taking the first level or two in Pre-Epic, since you can take it as a level 1. Still gives you alot of utility feats such as Improved Knockdown, Blindfight, etcetera and also leaves your epic feats a little open to get your STR that bit higher. It's also piss-easy to level. Drink, Point, Click, Repeat? _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 2:45 AM |
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When multiclassing in 15 Druid + 15 Ranger, do their respective pets get counted separately? One Level 15 Druid Pet the and a Level 15 Ranger pet... or would it be just one level 30 animal companion?
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 3:05 AM |
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Location: London, UK
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ticket wrote: When multiclassing in 15 Druid + 15 Ranger, do their respective pets get counted separately? One Level 15 Druid Pet the and a Level 15 Ranger pet... or would it be just one level 30 animal companion?
Hehe, that is a good question *nodnod* _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 4:05 AM |
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ticket wrote: When multiclassing in 15 Druid + 15 Ranger, do their respective pets get counted separately? One Level 15 Druid Pet the and a Level 15 Ranger pet... or would it be just one level 30 animal companion?
Neither. One level 15 companion.
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Zanthair
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 5:32 AM |
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Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Location: [st]Ultrinnan[/st] [st]Edonil[/st] Nec'perya
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I am currently trying to make a female bardic character, no subrace, starting stats 13/12/10/8/14/17
the skills im looking at are:
discipline, tumble, UMD(to 20), hide (to 5), persuade, bluff, preform, listen.
I was told that 25 bard/ 3 BG/ 2 fighter is a solid build, grabbin weapon spec and epic weapon spec on feat levels with fighter.
problem: when i was leveling it in singleplayer, it didnt let me choose weapon spec. looking it up says that i need 4 fighter levels, was this always the case? and is it the case on amia?
edit - i plan on using bastard sword
edit2 - i scanned through the first 8 pages, but it was sooo long.
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Nex_addo
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 5:39 AM |
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Joined: 08 May 2007
Location: New Zealand
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Plan on having high Cha?
Take 3 levels of cleric instead of the Black guard.
That way you can be cheese and take divine might and divine shield feats with extra turning
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 5:43 AM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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Dont need Shield with Bard
Because of your Bard Song, you will only gain +4 AC max from divine shield
And with max charisma extra turning is redundant.... 17+7=24 base +12 gear/spells = 36(+13 mod)....
So you get 3+13 = 16 casts of turn undead/divine might
That last 1 minute 36 seconds each.
_________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Zanthair
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 6:02 AM |
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Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Location: [st]Ultrinnan[/st] [st]Edonil[/st] Nec'perya
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question, does epic skill focus: tumble add +2 to AC?
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Isendu't'tar Ussen'd'Vhid d'My'ana'd'Xull'd'Vharcan - possibly the longest name in Amia
Tiffany Seagrass - weak and fragile weaver of words
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Uberuce
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 6:08 AM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Location: Near the bar.
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Sokar Rostau
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 6:57 AM |
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Joined: 05 Sep 2007
Location: Australia
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Zanthair wrote: I am currently trying to make a female bardic character, no subrace, starting stats 13/12/10/8/14/17
the skills im looking at are:
discipline, tumble, UMD(to 20), hide (to 5), persuade, bluff, preform, listen.
I was told that 25 bard/ 3 BG/ 2 fighter is a solid build, grabbin weapon spec and epic weapon spec on feat levels with fighter.
problem: when i was leveling it in singleplayer, it didnt let me choose weapon spec. looking it up says that i need 4 fighter levels, was this always the case? and is it the case on amia?
edit - i plan on using bastard sword
edit2 - i scanned through the first 8 pages, but it was sooo long.
If we had a sub-forum for building, basic questions like these wouldn't have to be asked, the people asking them wouldn't have to resort to reading dozens of pages for an answer and neither would their questions go unanswered because others have missed them.
Weapon Specialisation requires 4 Fighter levels. This is a vanilla NWN thing and is unchanged on Amia. To get EWS you take three Fighter levels pre-Epic and your fourth level at 24, when you can take WS and EWS on the same level, after taking EWF at 21.
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BrainSplitter
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 7:11 AM |
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Joined: 06 Apr 2005
Location: Victoria, Australia
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GreatPigeon wrote: WonWon wrote: Uncle-Opustus wrote: 12 Fighter/16 WM/2 Rogue: Smart
14 Fighter/16 WM: Bragging rights
11 Fighter/19 WM: Ultimate bragging rights ;_; I still prefer Fighter 14 / WM 13 / Rogue 3 Gives you a high end and mid-range tumble dumps, nice amount of skill points (especially if you can bite the -1 AB by taking the first level or two in Pre-Epic, since you can take it as a level 1. Still gives you alot of utility feats such as Improved Knockdown, Blindfight, etcetera and also leaves your epic feats a little open to get your STR that bit higher. It's also piss-easy to level. Drink, Point, Click, Repeat? Prettymuch. The levelling benefit comes from two factors;
A - Self Buffing. There's quite a few X-Class Only spellcast items that can help you if you have the UMD from Rogue. As such, you regain versatility.
B - Survivability. You get Tumble, typically taken at 1, 12, and 27 (to space out your tumble dumps for levelling through the harder parts, such as 17-20), and additionally get to drop a single point each in Rogue skills to complete quests such as the Horned Rat or Ankhremun's Tomb (requires gear, mind) areas without hunting everywhere for a rogue.
It also gives you some room, if you're a shameless Rper, to not have your stats 100% minmaxed. The extra Fighter levels (therefore extra feats) allow you to bring strain away from your otherwise taken Epic Feats for things such as Great STR; leaving you more ability points at the start for whatever may suit your RP.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 7:24 AM |
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Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Down South and Bent Edge
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Standard more than 7 WM advice.
If you don't have an epic feat spare then your wasting levels.
Epic Prowess is a must have beyond 7WM.
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HellScourge
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 7:45 AM |
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Joined: 17 Jan 2007
Location: GMT+1
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[quote="WonWon}
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additionally get to drop a single point each in Rogue skills to complete quests such as [...] Ankhremun's Tomb (requires gear, mind) areas without hunting everywhere for a rogue.[/quote]
Actually all you need for the door is someone to bash it open.
Also, Ankh is gone. Silly WonWon. He's been buried and all that is there are nasty critters with banish.
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GreatPigeon
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 8:31 AM |
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Joined: 04 May 2009
Location: London, UK
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Would help craploads if I knew all the damn uses/day gear, my bard coulse realyl use some love, messed uo build but its fun rp, so i never redid him. And hes a non BG/fighter bard _________________ The Peacock wrote: [GreatPigeon] is better than me. Uncle-Opustus wrote: Just before I fall asleep, I like to pretend it's just a public feat so Pigeon can succeed in politics and save the world from poverty... with his unicorn and shining armour and Excalibur.
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Arcane9999
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 8:59 AM |
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Joined: 05 Sep 2008
Location: Retired from Amia
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Would it be wise to make a rogue who specializes in crossbows?
Classes would be something like Rogue 23, Fighter 6 (+1 ECL tiefling subrace added)
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Uberuce
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Posted: Tue, Jun 30 2009, 10:02 AM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005
Location: Near the bar.
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The trick to building a Rogue isn't to worry about Plan A - if you're getting your epic Sneak dice downrange then you're going to monstercore the target square up the jacksie even if you attack by flinging heavily sedated doves at them.
You worry about Plan B and C, which in this case are a Sneakproof enemy and then melee. Crossbows are among the better weapons for base damage, beaten only by an unusually strong thrower. (That'd be my first port of call for an ranged Rogue.)
The lack of shield on crossbows and bows means getting caught in melee means you really have to swap to an unfocussed weapon. You can suffer to throw or slingerise against one or two lower AB folk because you still have shielded AC, so you're just biting the AoO once per round.
If you're a Monk/Rogue, then long, short and cross bows take a step up since shields don't matter any more.
Crossbows look ace, though. I might see about a Hin Fist Monk.
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