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Falling Spider
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Thanks, Tormak.
Trying to create a platinum knight concept character, maybe a silver dragon disciple. Any ideas as for other classes? Must be good aligned, of course.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Apr 05 2009, 20:57 PM |
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Platinum Knight? Ahhh,man after my own heart.
If you MUST have RDD, you're loking at doing either: 24 paladin/2 sorc/4 RDD, or 19 (18)/1 (2) sorc/10 RDD. Take your pick. I would ditch the RDD period personally and do like a straight 30 paladin, or if you insist on multiclassing, my own Plat. Knight is a 28 paladin/1 cleric/1 monk. It's practically kosher UMD, and it gets you Tumble and random cleric domains.
Paladin is because Platinum Knight is basically "Bahamut's Paladins" along with Vassals of Bahamut. bahamut's pretty much made for Paladins anyways.
If you want to go the cleric route, then that 24 cleric/2 sorc/4 RDD appeals to you even more since you'll get the EDK Silver Dragon and better caster, while maintaining a semblance of draconic strength via divine blessing.
EDIT: And if you don't RP Bahamut's dogma properly I'll smite you! Be ready to be confrontational with like evry chromatic you see. Period.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Acrid
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Posted: Sun, Apr 05 2009, 21:00 PM |
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RDD 4? how about a Cleric 21 / RDD 9 EDK *sage nod*
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Apr 05 2009, 21:07 PM |
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Because I don't like wings much 'cuz you've always got a cloak on, and 4 RDD as alwyas is optimal for STR whoring. Some would argue 5 is better. I prefer that cleric level.
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Acrid
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Posted: Sun, Apr 05 2009, 21:31 PM |
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Oh ok, well yes, i would prefer RDD 5 and lose 1 lvl of cleric. AB AC are the 2 principale basics after RP.
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Falling Spider
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Posted: Sun, Apr 05 2009, 22:11 PM |
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I like those paladin ideas, especially the 28 pally one. Why 1 cleric, though?
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Aleksandr Vespermouth II
"Malnutrition is scarier than any beastie."
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Sun, Apr 05 2009, 22:15 PM |
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That was mostly for silly RP purposes, but it let me take Good and Air domains,s o you turn Undead, Outsiders, and Elementals all as a level 26 Paladin. Kinda neat. Plus cleric only items, etc etc
The actual idea was to be able to craft wand cleric spells but it didn't pan out in practice or RP so I ditched it. It's also funny to be able to equip a hammer that gives a level 5 spellslot, rest, and be a Paladin that can cast Raise Dead. It raises some eyebrows.
Summary: 29 paladin/1 monk would work just fine, I did 1 cleric to be silly.
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Korthan Isharnos - Dragon Shaman of Thunder Spirit Zamasham
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Falling Spider
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Posted: Sun, Apr 05 2009, 22:19 PM |
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The turning nearly everything is very clever, actually.
EDIT: Alright, stupid question. Is cha or str more useful for pallies on Amia?
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Aleksandr Vespermouth II
"Malnutrition is scarier than any beastie."
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Sokar Rostau
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Posted: Sun, Apr 05 2009, 22:54 PM |
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TormakSaber wrote: Platinum Knight? Ahhh,man after my own heart.
If you MUST have RDD, you're loking at doing either: 24 paladin/2 sorc/4 RDD, or 19 (18)/1 (2) sorc/10 RDD. Take your pick. I would ditch the RDD period personally and do like a straight 30 paladin, or if you insist on multiclassing, my own Plat. Knight is a 28 paladin/1 cleric/1 monk. It's practically kosher UMD, and it gets you Tumble and random cleric domains.
Paladin is because Platinum Knight is basically "Bahamut's Paladins" along with Vassals of Bahamut. bahamut's pretty much made for Paladins anyways.
If you want to go the cleric route, then that 24 cleric/2 sorc/4 RDD appeals to you even more since you'll get the EDK Silver Dragon and better caster, while maintaining a semblance of draconic strength via divine blessing.
EDIT: And if you don't RP Bahamut's dogma properly I'll smite you! Be ready to be confrontational with like evry chromatic you see. Period.
I met a Paladin of Bahamut RED Dragon Disciple that lived with his RED Dragon grandfather in Nesek once...
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StandingBehindYou
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Posted: Sun, Apr 05 2009, 22:54 PM |
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TormakSaber wrote: Summary: 29 paladin/1 monk would work just fine, I did 1 cleric to be silly. WonWon wrote: Rainflake - Paladin 30 is beastly by its own merit.
Paladin23/Fighter4/Rogue3 is a scary combo that I made ages ago for giggles. Good luck explaining the Rogue levels ICly, though.
Paladin20/CoT10 is a great Epic Smiting build, if you feel like absolutely decimating three (evil) targets a day with triple digit numbers that make grown men cry.
Tough to pull off, but nice if you can, is Paladin21/Fighter2/WM7. Never seen anyone actually try it, but a WM with a Holy Avenger? Sounds nice to me. Getting the ability points right for that build would be disgusting, though. 14 Str for Power Attack(divine shield/might), 13 Int for Expertise (WM), 13 Dex for Dodge/Mobility/SpringAttack(WM), and 14 Wis for spells? Ew.
I'd say go with Paladin 30 mostly, though. Can't really go wrong as long as you have 14 base Wisdom. Uberuce wrote: The fiercest undead in the module check under the bed for Pally20/Ftr4/DwD6.
//Originally posted by WonWon: (Combining Posts)
//"He asked for Human builds, Uberuce :D"
Silly sod that I am. Righto, Devcrit Pally with as much CHA as you can fit. maglorine wrote: Paladin/Cot as mentioned above is a nice combo. I'm trying it out on my current build and it's working nicely. I went for a STR based PC with just enough CHA to make Divine Might/Shield worthwhile (base 16 CHA) and of course 14 WIS. He's getting Dev Crit eventually but really, if you passed on that and went for more CHA, a bit less STR, and a bigger Divine Might you'd be rocking too. Mine is low Epic now and is *very* capable in melee. We could use another Paladin in the Dale *wink nudge*, there are no Strongheart Paladins of Arvoreen that I'm aware of *cough*.
I'd like to request level-by-level "mainstream paladin" build for beginners, with notes on starting abilities and feats to take: I find it a bit daunting to sketch out a class that depends on so many different abilities.
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Posted: Sun, Apr 05 2009, 23:23 PM |
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Falling Spider wrote: The turning nearly everything is very clever, actually.
EDIT: Alright, stupid question. Is cha or str more useful for pallies on Amia?
I asked the player of a very good Great Smiting paladin, and he said that in retrospect he would have gone for Devastating Critical instead, since his big trick was only usable 3 times per rest and so mostly useful fighting bosses. The basic tradeoff appears to be whether you want to be really good all day, or amazing against one opponent every 16 minutes. Having seen how relaxing it is to coast through low-epic dungeons with devcrit, my preference would be to lean towards what Uberuce said and go with "devcrit pally."
(I also like devcrit from a style perspective. I think that devcrit does a good job of emulating "mook rules:" causing unworthy opponents to drop almost instantly really makes a character seem epic, and emphasizes the difference between different tiers of opponents. That said, the "shining warrior who holds his ultimate move in reserve" would also be cool, sort of like if Weapon Masters had a Ki Strike that was any good.)
Nota bene: this is just my impression as someone who often parties with paladins but doesn't know how to make them.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 0:08 AM |
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Falling Spider wrote: The turning nearly everything is very clever, actually.
EDIT: Alright, stupid question. Is cha or str more useful for pallies on Amia?
After playing a 26 str/40 cha (buffed for both) pally and rebuilding to an 18 base 30 cha buffed but 36 buffed str, I must say I am much much happier with the STR base. I do more damage all day, have better AB, and I hardly notice the difference in AC, Saves, or Damage. AC I'm maxing my Dodge anyways due to Shield + Boots + Haste + Mage Armor. Saves? I'm a fucking Paladin. Damage I actually do BETTER since STr is all day damage and my paladin used a Halberd for 1.5x damage.
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 2:59 AM |
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Cha pallys feel more paladin-esque if you get what I mean. But yes, if you are looking for efficiency and effectiveness, go str. Dev crit is brokenly powerful.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 3:32 AM |
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Cha certainly does feel more "Paladin", yes.
I didn't go for Dev Crit on my Paladin, and frankly I don't feel I'm missing out on anything. Then again, I use a twohanded weapon and fullbuff am critting roughly 180-200 on good swings.
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StandingBehindYou
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 3:53 AM |
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TormakSaber wrote: I didn't go for Dev Crit on my Paladin, and frankly I don't feel I'm missing out on anything. Then again, I use a twohanded weapon and fullbuff am critting roughly 180-200 on good swings.
Yeah, like you say, a paladin using a two-handed weapon with a base 20/x3 crit range is in quite a different situation than a sword-and-shield fighter.
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Acrid
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 13:56 PM |
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Making my first sorcerer, do Mumy dust is realy worth be taking in order to have a summon for PvM maybe PvP?
The idea to not have summon in spell lvl 9 to get that 1 more spell (since sorc can only get 3 at this lvl).
And it isnt all in CHA, i have space to take Greater Ruins also.
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maglorine
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 14:23 PM |
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First time playing a Bard and a question on 6th level spell selection.
Is Dirge worth taking? I already have the BoT page for it but I remember reading something in the past that it was all fubar'd and not worth the effort but maybe it's better now or wasn't as bad as advertised.
The alternative is the Summon VI (the Djinn), which I wouldn't expect to be much use by the time he gets it or in Epic. I suppose he could take it and try it out for a level then ditch it if need be but looking for others comments on their experiences.
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Acrid
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 14:27 PM |
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I personaly took dirge but never use it. I buy Summon creature lX for PvM.
Choose watever you want, you could always delvl 8P
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Uberuce
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 16:07 PM |
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I go Dirge, but likewise never use it; that's my Energy Buffer/Extended Ethereal Visage/Mass Haste slot and I'd rather not waste them.
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 16:18 PM |
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Some may find the VFX pretty, though.
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maglorine
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 16:20 PM |
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Uberuce wrote: I go Dirge, but likewise never use it; that's my Energy Buffer/Extended Ethereal Visage/Mass Haste slot and I'd rather not waste them.
Extended Ethereal Visage? What's the hook there? I never thought that would be overly valuable. Is it the concealment, the DR, or the spell immunity you find useful? Is it a situational thing?
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Uncle-Opustus
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 16:25 PM |
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All of the three you just mentioned. The DR is a bit silly, since everything has a weapon with AB 4 or more.
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maglorine
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 16:57 PM |
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Uncle-Opustus wrote: All of the three you just mentioned. The DR is a bit silly, since everything has a weapon with AB 4 or more.
I figured the DR would be ineffective unless you are running thru lower level areas but if you are, they shouldn't be hitting you anyways.
Does concealment stack? I didn't think it did and any Bard should have 50% from improved invisibility or displacement which are lower level spells, no?
Which leaves the spell immunities on level 2 and lower.
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Uberuce
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 17:04 PM |
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The DR is sexay against the physical components of Blade Barrier and Ice Storm, but mostly it's the spell immunity, yus.
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Kezman
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 18:44 PM |
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anyone able help me with a monk build say at least 21 lvls monk. not sure what to go for dex or str based?
what do i use as weapons -unarmed or kama's
would be best i go for somthing with like 4figther lvls just get xtra attacks and better bab?
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Violator
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 18:58 PM |
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I am actually playing a monk/rogue tiefling build, intending 18 monk and 11 rogue, DEX based, damaging by knock down - sneak attack - crippling strike. Think kamas are nice, but you lose the 1d20 unarmed's damage, on the other side you may use bracers of armor to increase AC (when unarmed i think better using gloves that increase AB and dmg). But i still have some doubts, like what epic feats to choose (was thinking about improved SR) and if using two kamas is possible to combine improved two-weapon fighting and flurry of blows for three extra attacks. Would like some tips too, thanks buddies.
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Sokar Rostau
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 19:36 PM |
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I'm going off memory here, but Monks have the possibility to get the highest number of attacks per round - 10(?).
To do this you need ITWF, 4 Fighter (or other 1:1 BAB Class) levels pre-Epic, Haste and... um... something else(?) while Unarmed or using a Kama (in both hands as of 1.69).
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"Oh. Whose horse is this?"
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Xalyth
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 20:23 PM |
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We need more epic dodging and dev critting combo builds!
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Bobo_Underhill
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 21:37 PM |
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Not too hard, honestly. More than likely, though, it'll suck.
Don't Always Get Reeses Peanut Butter Cups...
Extremely novelty HiPSing Dev-critter/Epic Dodger
Wood Elf, 20/18/min rest
Bard 7/RDD 4/SD 9 going into Bard 13/RD 4/SD 13
Gains a measly 90 or so points to play with, has the HP of a wet noodle, and miserable fortitude.
That's a 15 minute crap-build on the fly.
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Violator
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 23:32 PM |
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Oops, some nonsense in what i wrote, when using kamas or not bracers of armor sucks, the bonus are the same of the clothings (dumb me). Dev crit and epic dodge surely are pretty nice, but almost everyone plays some character in this build (including me), trying to do something different this time. Never tried crippling strike before, but think a sneaky flurry decreasing 2 points of strenght per hit sounds good. Four levels of fighter wold be great too, three extra feats, one extra unarmed attack and some hit points.
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BeautifulLie
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Posted: Mon, Apr 06 2009, 23:37 PM |
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Ok I got a problem with a build im working on. For some reason I didn't get Defensive Roll with my fourth level of SD, has there been some change somewhere that affected SDs that I didn't know about?
The build i'm working on admittedly i have to mod it for a tiefling but a friend gave it to me to use. Works for human or human subraces obviously.
R1 Two-weapon Fighting, Ambidexterity
F2 Weapon Finesse
F3 Dodge, Weapon Focus: Short Sword
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F5 Weapon Specialization: Short Sword
R6 Mobility
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SD9 Knockdown
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SD12 SD: Defensive Roll, Improved Two-weapon fighting
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R15 Improved Knockdown
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R18 Blind-fight, Crippling Strike
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SD21 Epic Prowess
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SD23 SD: Slippery Mind
R24 Epic Weapon Focus: Short Sword, Improved Evasion
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R27 Great Dexterity I, Improved Sneak Attack I
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R30 Epic Dodge, Improved Sneak Attack II
7 shadowdancer/19 rogue/4 fighter
In my case this would be 7SD/18Rogue/4 Fighter.
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 1:19 AM |
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SD always got Defensive roll at five, I think.
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BeautifulLie
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 1:59 AM |
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kay i'll find that out when I hit 21. btw because of my tiefer dex bonus I should be able to get Epic Dodge at my last levels of feats right? That being lvl 27 because im ECL +1 I wont be lvl 30 but 29 when I finish grinding.
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Magnum Opera
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 2:44 AM |
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Unless I'm missing something,
7SD/18Ro/4Ftr vs. 6SD/19Ro/4Ftr
Slippery Mind --- +1d6 sneak dice, feat slot (Slippery mind if you want it?)
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 3:15 AM |
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so lose the 7th lvl SD to get 19 Rogue and slippery mind or an Imp Sneak but that loses me access to the 7th SD shop as well. Hmmm TOOOOORRRRRMAAAAAAK! Halp!? *chuckles*
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Oh curst Effects of necessary Law!
How ill my Fear they by my Mercy scan,
Beware the Fury of a Patient Man
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Magnum Opera
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 3:21 AM |
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BeautifulLie wrote: so lose the 7th lvl SD to get 19 Rogue and slippery mind or an Imp Sneak but that loses me access to the 7th SD shop as well. Hmmm TOOOOORRRRRMAAAAAAK! Halp!? *chuckles*
Oh, so I did miss something. Nevermind then.
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Sokar Rostau
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 3:30 AM |
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Bobo_Underhill wrote: Not too hard, honestly. More than likely, though, it'll suck.
Don't Always Get Reeses Peanut Butter Cups...
Extremely novelty HiPSing Dev-critter/Epic Dodger
Wood Elf, 20/18/min rest
Bard 7/RDD 4/SD 9 going into Bard 13/RD 4/SD 13
Gains a measly 90 or so points to play with, has the HP of a wet noodle, and miserable fortitude.
That's a 15 minute crap-build on the fly.
Bard7/RDD10/SD13 Shadow Dragon Disciple. You need to get RDD10 pre-Epic for the +2 Cha if you want to cast any of your Bard Spells. A lot of fun to play, but proves that having Dev Crit doesn't make you a powerbuild.
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"I'm sorry, baby, I had to feed that pony to a dragon."
"Oh. Whose horse is this?"
"It's a Warhorse, baby."
"Whose Warhorse is this?"
"Zed's"
"Who's Zed?"
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KnightOfKelemvor
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 8:09 AM |
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Can anyone help me whit a Bard/RDD(Black Dragon Disciple)/BG of tiama.
Base race human. A like to have 10lvls of RDD and a prety heavy CHA to use divine might and maybe shild. any ideas? Maybe str based whit some cha or just insain cha.
I dont wanna have devcrit.
Oh and what weapon would be cool?
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xordae
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 8:32 AM |
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I have a build like that with Ezkarul. 16 Bard / 10 RDD / 4 BG. Pre-epic, you take 8 Bard / 8 RDD / 4 BG, choosing the last 2 BG levels when you get a Feat, so you can grab both Might & Shield. In Epic, you rush to 10 RDD to profit from the Stat increases, and then fill the rest up with Bard.
You go heavy in Str & Cha, distribute the rest as you like. I recommend having the two attributes roughly the same, or to tilt it towards Strength. The more Strength you have, the more you will profit from a two-hander. More Charisma profits more from a Shield, making you a beefier tank.
Skills: Concentration, Discipline, Perform, Spellcraft, Tumble, UMD. Spares are up to you.
I don't recommend getting into too much PvP with this though, people will call you filthy names.
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Acrid
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 13:42 PM |
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KnightOfKelemvor wrote: I dont wanna have devcrit. .
Good choice, you will be so tight on feats, you wont be able to sleep at night.
Also, he dont need heavy charisma, he will hit the AC cap anyway (he will benefit of divine shield to 4-5 AC max), he could just do a natural charisma of 16-18. _________________
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Brown Blur
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 15:32 PM |
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Ok, what I'm needing is a detailed rebuild plan for a Devcritting Hin Ftr/WM/Rogue, to be remade with DC's (of which I have enough).
I'm hopeless at building and numbercrunching, and remaking the char with DC's means I can't plan as I level, of course, so I need a comprehensive list, so then I can run it through a levelup module to get a feel for it.
All help gratefully received!
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~ Napoleon Bonaparte.
- Clearly, Napoleon never envisioned the Internet......where I'd judge it about 50/50.
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maglorine
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 16:08 PM |
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 16:36 PM |
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Brown Blur wrote: Ok, what I'm needing is a detailed rebuild plan for a Devcritting Hin Ftr/WM/Rogue, to be remade with DC's (of which I have enough).
I'm hopeless at building and numbercrunching, and remaking the char with DC's means I can't plan as I level, of course, so I need a comprehensive list, so then I can run it through a levelup module to get a feel for it.
All help gratefully received!
Yuckers. Dev on a -2str eh.
Start stats would be
16str 14dex 12con 8wis 14int 8cha
1 Fighter:: Dodge, Weapon Focus
2 Fighter:: Mobility
3 Fighter:: Expertise
4 Fighter:: Spring Attack
5 Fighter::
6 Fighter:: Whirlwind Attack, Weapon Spec. (4intimidate, max discipline, max heal)
7 WM::
8 WM::
9 WM:: Imp Critical
10WM::
11WM::
12WM::Power Attack
13WM::
14Fighter::
15Fighter:: Cleave, Gr. Cleave
16Fighter::
17Fighter:: Knockdown
18Fighter:: Improved Knockdown
19Fighter:: Blindfight
20Fighter::
21Fighter:: Gr. Str I, Epic Weapon Focus
22Fighter::
23Fighter:: Overwhelming Critical
24Fighter:: Gr. Str II
25Fighter:: Epic Weapon Spec
26Fighter::
27Rogue:: Gr. Str III (Tumble 30, UMD 30)
28Fighter:: Dev Crit
29Fighter::
30Fighter:: Epic Prowess, Armor Skin
Max Discipline, Heal and whack a point in spellcraft.
That is effectively the best build i can suggest given the huge requirements on Gr. STR.
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Socially and recently politically Inept Knight of Xymor
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maglorine
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 16:48 PM |
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Is Biddle a Strongheart? I can't remember. Makes a huge difference in build details.
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Brown Blur
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 18:04 PM |
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maglorine wrote: Is Biddle a Strongheart? I can't remember. Makes a huge difference in build details.
Ooops, yes, should have said that.
Yeah, Strongheart, so STR isn't really an issue, but te CON minus is a bit of a pity.
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MoshingChris
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 18:55 PM |
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Same build and start abilities except the last two levels are lost and the feats from those go where the last two Gr. Strengths went.
However thats not the only option.
edit: Just to make a point. If you take the 13 WM route or someone suggests a build with 13 WM which lacks epic prowess your wasting 6 levels better spent elsewhere.
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Socially and recently politically Inept Knight of Xymor
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Brown Blur
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 19:01 PM |
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MoshingChris wrote: Same build and start abilities except the last two levels are lost and the feats from those go where the last two Gr. Strengths went.
However thats not the only option.
Ummm..... was wanting Rogue in there too, Chris.....
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maglorine
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 19:33 PM |
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How rogueish do you want him to be? You can get starting 18 STR and 18 DEX on a Strongheart so he could be moderately rogueish if you were looking for that......
You can go anywhere from real heavy on the WM to a decent amount of rogue but there are *many* options in this kind of build.
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Herr Delta Houdini
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 20:49 PM |
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TormakSaber wrote: Because I don't like wings much 'cuz you've always got a cloak on, and 4 RDD as alwyas is optimal for STR whoring. Some would argue 5 is better. I prefer that cleric level.
You can use one of two over-rides if you wanna see wings all the time, one is copying the cloak main file and altering it to show wings while wearing, but obviously only you and others who use the over-ride will see the wings, or alternatively, NWvault has an over-ride which makes Cloak invisible, like before the patch.
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Previously known as: Anubis
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Brown Blur
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Posted: Tue, Apr 07 2009, 20:59 PM |
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maglorine wrote: How rogueish do you want him to be? You can get starting 18 STR and 18 DEX on a Strongheart so he could be moderately rogueish if you were looking for that......
You can go anywhere from real heavy on the WM to a decent amount of rogue but there are *many* options in this kind of build.
Hmm....yeah.
Well, I was wanting a competent Devcritter weith enough Rogue just for the everyday traps and locks (I hate having chars who are hopeless with traps and barely enough skill to turn a doorknob. I'm of the opinion many adventurers could hardly fail to pick up SOME skill of that sort). Don't much care about hiding or sneekin', and certainly not Pickpocket.
So, what I'm saying is considerably more emphasis on the WM over the Rogue, really. Whether to view the Fighter as just being a path to getting WM is an outlook thats beyond my knowledge and understanding really, if that makes sense anyway?
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