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I'll have to agree with Kjetta on this one folks, nothing floats my boat more then a complex character going through great inner turmoil. Must be because I'm Emo. >.>
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You know that Kelemvor has this thing about the undead, right?
Aw, was trying to do as Kjetta Bard rdd PM but it's less obvious it seems.. eheh. Oh, im fully happy with my Bard Cleric CoT, no need to make other bard. *almost sorry to desapoint Kjetta*
However, if happen i fix my future playing problems, i would be tempted to seriously make a Sor 21 / RDD 9 with greater ruins. The RP would be based on only being a dragon but im looking for elven subrace that could boost Charisma with still go with 30 lvl.
More charisma since i only get DC 38 on domination.
Until then, i'll stick with that bard 8P
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I have this idea of making an ex-soldier who comes to the isle's perhaps seeking redemption for his past, or maybe just searching for something. Any way, I envision him as a fighter and, if the RP allows, perhaps a divine champion.
Long story short, how do I make an effective fighter without using rogue for a skill dump and umd? Should I go for Dev-crit, or concentrate on another route. Any help is much appreciated. (Also, if someone has a cleric or priest who is looking to do some IC converting over a long period of time maybe we can work that out).
Yes. And it's a pretty basic build really, you just take the requirements you need to qualify as a Weapon master, which are: dodge, mobility, expertise, spring attack, weapon focus in a melee weapon, and whirlwind attack. Make sure to have 13 int and dex, so you can get all these feats. The rest are just regular feats you take to any melee build.
Meh, I need help. I got this build once and I lost it.
I am making a druid with 27 lvls druid and 3 rogue levels for the cheap tumble and cheap UMD.
Right now, I am at lvl 10 druid and I have 1 lvl rogue. I just lvl and I dont know if I should go with druid or get my second lvl rogue, adding UMD, Evasion and Tumble. My UMD and Tumble would go to ten by the way.
I will for certain add the feat zen archery because she is an archer. But, which should I pick and when should I take now and if I go rogue, when do I take the third level rogue, lvl 27? If I dont, when should I get the 2 next ones?
Another question, where can I find a list of when do I get the spells, I want to plan right to get the spells I want.
And another question, Wisdom is at 18 now, I know I should go with wisdom for a while and then add points to other things, maybe strength and constitution. How many points should I have exactly in each and how do I get the dragonshape?
Well, I guess that were my questions.. Please, helps.
And another question, Wisdom is at 18 now, I know I should go with wisdom for a while and then add points to other things, maybe strength and constitution. How many points should I have exactly in each and how do I get the dragonshape?
You need 30 base wis for dragonshape if i remember right
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Starting with 18 wis and putting all your points in it (7) means you get 25 you'll need 6 epic feats (great wisdom V, dragonshape itself).
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well, I started it with 17. I added one wisdom previously I think... and I will add another now at lvl 12. So, forget dragonshape unless I will pay to rebuild her completely?
ummm about evocation/conjuration thing. Do I need to specialize in a school? what are the benefits of it?
Well, I am going to make another Arielle from scratch I think.
Damn, I was wondering how long we could drag this one...
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Hey y'all, this was skipped over:
pharax wrote:
I'd like to request ideas on heavily oriented monk build, using fists and having lots of strenght. Not necesserarily complete builds, but as I know nothing of monks, general ideas of class, stats and main feats might be appreciated.
Thanks !
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so .. ive been keeping track of the modifications with the excel build calculator.. and while the 2/2 split pre epic gets better saves, It turns out it costs me an epic Feat somehow... hrm.
1 Fighter 3 CoT = 1 Fighter bonus feat at 1 and a CoT bonus feat at 2
Whilst 2 fighter 2 CoT = Fighter bonus at 1 and 2 and a CoT bonus at 2.
Drop Extra Stunnings for Great Cleave. Totally unnescessary since you don't level past 30 and you've got better disablers in the form of IKD and Imp Disarm.
Interesting points all around, I'll have to keep them in mind. Selvetarm's supported domains are evil/strength/war, so no i don't have travel or trickery, unfortunately.
Yo, just for your information as long as you have one of the two cleric domains of your god you can choose any other without being biatch slapped by the DM's :)
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You can take any domain you like without being bitchslapped by a DM, really, but we reserve the right to snub you privately and refuse to DC you if you're a Tyrran Cleric with Evil and Destruction.
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Here's one to bake your noodles over, feat selection for a Drow Shifter(5druid)/Assassin. Going for 5 druid/ 17 shifter/8 Assassin, want to use almost exclusivly Underdark forms. Drider, kobold, Mindflayer and the other drow forms. When I say almost exclusivly I really mean it too. Other forms will only be used if I can capture and dissect a body.
As the character advances it will ideally become a spy for surface and underdark operations.
So, what feats do I take? I'm really not to sure on this one so any advice is greatly appreciated
Realistically it will be more of an RP character then anything else. Will try to get a few ranks in bluff, but most of the assassin skills will go into UMD and tumble. So Knockdown, Imp. Knockdown? Will be going Dex based so Dev crit is out.
Don't think I will have the requirements for any of the really cool epic feats so will maybe end up with lame Armor Skin ans Epic prowess (Oooohhh).
Need help, Can I get any of the epic shapes?
EDIT: Could I get a few good EPIC Forms if I went Zen archer
Not so much a build question as it is a mechanics question.
I have a character with a greater magical shortsword and a flawless mythal. How useful is it at epic levels to craft a +5 attack bonus? I know it is highly useful for Premonition and such. Keep in mind, the attack is more important than the damage as he relies purely (well, mostly) on his high sneak damage and less on his STR and Crit damage. Therefore, losing +4 damage from enhancement wouldn't be devastating to him so much. Or, I could find a keen +3 and add +5 attack and an elemental damage because of the extra slot 3 gives me over 4.
Is it more worth it to sell the Flawless and keep the +4 enhancement he currently has?
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Don't put a Flawless on a generic shortie. Sit on it till you get a Wonderforged(they don't sell for what the +5 market calls a lot), or pick whichever one has the onHits you like best and put it on that. If I recall, shorties are a bit meh for them.
Realistically it will be more of an RP character then anything else. Will try to get a few ranks in bluff, but most of the assassin skills will go into UMD and tumble. So Knockdown, Imp. Knockdown? Will be going Dex based so Dev crit is out.
Don't think I will have the requirements for any of the really cool epic feats so will maybe end up with lame Armor Skin ans Epic prowess (Oooohhh).
Need help, Can I get any of the epic shapes?
EDIT: Could I get a few good EPIC Forms if I went Zen archer
Dex based is the dumbest thing to do with those shapes you named as they all override your dex.
Go WIS if you want some stronger abilities on your shapes or epic shapes
Or go INT if you want more skillpoints for more skills
Going CON never hurts, neither does STR, if only to not get encumbered too often. Remember even if you wear 3 items with +4 STR only 1 will merge. You can go full CON or STR for extra drain or dev crit off course as well, although dev crit is not advisable using assassin as 3rd class.
In fact, if you don't want epic shapes (other then perhaps undead shape) then I think a spread over INT, CON and perhaps STR will be your best bet.
I think mindflayer blasts are affected by both INT and WIS, so for that shape it doesn't matter which one you take, and with the skillpoint boost you can fill up your hide and MS to bring your kobold to average hiding levels.
Together with camouflage spells and the +15Hide/MS cloak you can get quite a decent modifier that way.
If you do want epic shapes, you'll need to put 17/18 in WIS, then 14 or 16 INT, rest CON and STR. Undead is a free shape, but outsider you need 25Wisdom for, so you'll need to start high. Also, due to the fact your last feats will be on level 27, before your last free ability raise, to gain outsider form you will need to take some great wisdom feats.
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Zen archery is not so good as a shifter, only the manticore makes use of it i think, maybe the stone golem for throwing his stuff or the spectre for the Shadow Attack. The slaad and azer if you get outsider shapes use ranged touch attacks too, so they count as well.
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So it burns down to:
want outsider shapes: start with 17/18 wis and take 2 or 1 greater wis before you reach lvl 27 on which you take your final shifter level and the feat. And take ZEN archery pre epic.
satisfied with only the undead shapes as epic. Then go for 13WIS (to be able to cast all druid spells untill lvl5) a good deal of INT and fill up:
Tumble
UMD
Animal Empathy
Hide
MS
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Don't put a Flawless on a generic shortie. Sit on it till you get a Wonderforged(they don't sell for what the +5 market calls a lot), or pick whichever one has the onHits you like best and put it on that. If I recall, shorties are a bit meh for them.
But the +5 Attack is worth the loss of the flawless?
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Don't put a Flawless on a generic shortie. Sit on it till you get a Wonderforged(they don't sell for what the +5 market calls a lot), or pick whichever one has the onHits you like best and put it on that. If I recall, shorties are a bit meh for them.
But the +5 Attack is worth the loss of the flawless?
thats what the flawless is for, really.
ideally you want a wonderforged with +5AB from a flawless and Keen from a perfect added.
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Yarp. I got one in a party with a Ranger and Cleric on my Ftr/WM/Rogue. IC and OOC the story was: you take it, dumbass. We need it 0.00001 times as much as you.
Realistically it will be more of an RP character then anything else. Will try to get a few ranks in bluff, but most of the assassin skills will go into UMD and tumble. So Knockdown, Imp. Knockdown? Will be going Dex based so Dev crit is out.
Don't think I will have the requirements for any of the really cool epic feats so will maybe end up with lame Armor Skin ans Epic prowess (Oooohhh).
Need help, Can I get any of the epic shapes?
EDIT: Could I get a few good EPIC Forms if I went Zen archer
Don't take zen archery, don't dex base him. If you want epic shapes, take wisdom (I think?), otherwise, if you insist on assassin, of all things, take Intelligence, for stun DCs.
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my 5dru/7shifter/1rg +1ECL has 16 wisdom. Will I be able to take outsider shape under any cirtumstances without deleveling? if so, what would it look like featwise? I don't want to bother putting points in wisdom if I can't get that shape.
my 5dru/7shifter/1rg +1ECL has 16 wisdom. Will I be able to take outsider shape under any cirtumstances without deleveling? if so, what would it look like featwise? I don't want to bother putting points in wisdom if I can't get that shape.
You can (WIS+ = free ability bonus every 4 levels)
lvl 13 16 WIS (as you are)
lvl 16 17 WIS+
lvl 20 18 WIS+ (you are some druid 10shifter, the rest of levels in rogue here)
lvl 21 19 WIS (great WIS)
lvl 23 20 WIS (shifter bonus feat)
lvl 24 22 WIS+ as well as a great WIS
lvl 26 23 WIS (shifter bonus feat) (at this point Xdruid, 16shifter, rest rogue)
lvl 27 24 WIS (great WIS)
lvl 28 25 WIS+
lvl 30 Outsider shape (X druid, 17shifter or 19shifter, rest rogue)
Undead shape (only if you take 19 shifter levels)
My end class suggestion:
9 druid / 19 shifter / 2 rogue (9/10/1 pre epic, and last rogue level between 27-29)
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Hey guys,
I wonder if the monk's fists are considered melee weapons, and could therefore receive melee weapons boosts. If thats possible, I wonder if a :
20 monk / 10 Black guard could be nice.
"I think mindflayer blasts are affected by both INT and WIS, so for that shape it doesn't matter which one you take"
Can I get confirmation on this?
And bonzai, thanks for the great reply to my question, big help. If mindflayer blasts are affected by wisdom and intelligence I will likely boost them up and then maybe get myself knockdown, some weapon focus feats and maybe old stand bys like Blind Fighting, Toughness and Expertise. Maybe Dodge, Mobility, Spring Attack as well for Kobold HIPS.
Would also like to get an Underdark 1000 faces if possible, maybe some Ooze, gelatinous cube, Umber Hulk, Duergar, Svirfneblin and so on shapes
The benefit is in resisting dispels, spell duration, and many summoning and offensive spells continue to increase in power all the way to 30.
Greater Dispelling is a d10 opposed roll capped at 15, so the very best it can roll is 25, so if you have 25 caster levels, the lowest you can roll is 26. Nothing is dispelled.
Mordenkainen's Disjuntion is also a d10 opposed roll, but it's uncapped, so a level 30 mage casting it on a level 20 caster target will win every dispell roll, and big a big dent in your buff list. Plainly, having lots of Sorc or Wiz levels mean you both Mordy harder and resist Mordy better. For that reason, the almighty Paladhoom is actually inferior to pure Sorc in a mageduel.
This applied to all the caster classes, including the slightly funny ones: Blackguard, Harper Scout and Assassin.
Realistically it will be more of an RP character then anything else. Will try to get a few ranks in bluff, but most of the assassin skills will go into UMD and tumble. So Knockdown, Imp. Knockdown? Will be going Dex based so Dev crit is out.
Don't think I will have the requirements for any of the really cool epic feats so will maybe end up with lame Armor Skin ans Epic prowess (Oooohhh).
Need help, Can I get any of the epic shapes?
EDIT: Could I get a few good EPIC Forms if I went Zen archer
Don't take zen archery, don't dex base him. If you want epic shapes, take wisdom (I think?), otherwise, if you insist on assassin, of all things, take Intelligence, for stun DCs.
This reply doesn't make sense.
If you're going with buckets of Wisdom for the Epic Shapes then take Zen Archery.
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"Oh. Whose horse is this?"
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"Whose Warhorse is this?"
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"Who's Zed?"
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