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BeautifulLie
 
PostPosted: Fri, Apr 03 2009, 13:47 PM 

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I don't know how I didn't see the sticky at 2am -_-;;

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PostPosted: Fri, Apr 03 2009, 13:55 PM 

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http://amiawiki.shatuga.com/index.php/C ... _of_Cordor

http://www.amiaworld.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17038

Think thats the best description around on the net

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tao_myst
 
PostPosted: Fri, Apr 03 2009, 14:04 PM 



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I have a question, when was the IC racism law abolished from cordor? cause I can't see it anywhere on forums/wiki other than the "remove the skullies" post, or was it changed at that point?

CONFUSED (dot com :S )


 
      
Zanthair
 
PostPosted: Fri, Apr 03 2009, 15:25 PM 

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probably around the time that drow got banned from the city, giving legitimate support to the anti-monsterous races movement.

And I don't mind it one bit, i play a drow, i want to be hated for it. damn guys, stop saying hi, how are you, don't you like the weather whenever my drow comes by!

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PostPosted: Fri, Apr 03 2009, 15:40 PM 

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Indeed. Nothing is more frustrating than meeting someone for the first time who instantly loves you and thinks you're just the best person in the world, when you're playing a drow who should have to earn that before it's given. *sage nod*

But yes. It was back when the drow were banned.

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herkles
 
PostPosted: Fri, Apr 03 2009, 15:53 PM 

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drow IMO should be hated by many, with a large chance of being killed on sight in the towns. Sort of like the encounter with Virconia in BG2, a bunch of town people want to kill her, by burning her at the stake. It would be nice if people hated drow, and other monster races, as they normally should be treated.

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Xaviera
 
PostPosted: Fri, Apr 03 2009, 15:59 PM 

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See the links in the section titled "Cordor's Tolerance Policy and the banning of Lolthites"

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tao_myst
 
PostPosted: Fri, Apr 03 2009, 16:23 PM 



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my monk is fully oblivious to most racial prejudices due to past events and being a monk...still cautious around drow from the stories, but IC more detests groups like the black fist (skullies) and just general pointless (in his opinion) murder, plus one particular spell would send him instantly insane >:D (and probably kill me.).

I'm sure his opinions may change after a visit to the underdark :P but I reserve the right to be friendly toward drow, dragonkin demon and celestial alike, so long as their character has their right to ask me to leave or face an unholy sword of utter devestation :O normally its the dragonkin or half-somethings that have an issue with me being human, ignoring me at most so far.

I would go into better detail but I gotta go play 40k and refill my car :O basically don't just hate because your supposed to, think about it! why do you personally hate *insert race* ?


 
      
Yossarin
 
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tao_myst wrote:
I have a question, when was the IC racism law abolished from cordor? cause I can't see it anywhere on forums/wiki other than the "remove the skullies" post, or was it changed at that point?

CONFUSED (dot com :S )


Here's the truth (as I tell it):

Cordor was always known as the City of Tolerance not because of any particular law against racism, but because of a policy (not a law, I'll explain the different in a moment) of behavior supported by the Duke. Cordor was and still is a very large and important commercial city that sees lots of trade and mercantilism, and it was thought that a laissez-faire style of government and an "open door" policy towards all races and creeds, etc., was the best way to keep everyone happy, and to keep everyone buying and selling and trading.

It was a beautiful dream.

It was also, truth be told, a total OOC mechanism of the setting. Cordor was (and to an extent, still is) the "starter city". By having the starter city hold a dangerously liberal and open-minded policy even towards the races that want to kill everyone else (drow, orcs, goblins, kobolds, etc.), the DM/Dev Team of yore realized that it needed to be somewhat progressive.

Over the years, Amia keeps drifter more and more towards grittier, more serious RP. It is a very, very gradual shift, but it has happened, though not without a few hiccups along the way.

As the links tell the story, one day Lieutenant Galverson asks a drow to take off her helmet. She says no. Galverson arrests her for refusal to comply with the request. A very liberal special interest group (that still exists in Cordor, btw) stepped up to defend the drow woman's rights and screamed that racial prejudice was behind her arrest. The case went to trial.

Although Lieutenant Galverson was technically on trial in civil court, the truth is that the Tolerance Policy itself was on trial. PCs weighed in, along with various NPCs. Estara takes the credit for getting the ball rolling with the petition that sealed the deal in the end, with overwhelming PC support for a banishment of Lolthlites....which was a move that flew directly in the face of the Tolerance Policy.

The Tolerance Policy, again, was never a law. A policy is just a suggested way of doing things, one that isn't technically enforced by the law. When people were arrested for "racism" while the Tolerance Policy was still under effect, they were NOT being arrested for an act of racism...they were being arrested for disturbing the peace, or for inciting a riot, or, in some cases, an act of violence. Racism itself was not against the law, but the Guard came down on it. Hard. Because people were genuinely trying to support the idea of the Tolerance Policy.

Duke Montgomery, upon seeing the overwhelming support for a banishment of Lolthlites (read: not DROW, but Lolthlites specifically), made a public announcement. He exonerated Lieutenant Galverson in his civil trial of all wrongdoing (a blow to the liberal special interest group and a move that got the Duke in trouble later, as this incident was cited as an abuse of his power by the new Commonwealth Council), and basically told everyone he was sorry, but that the Tolerance Policy is only that - a policy. And that while this petition and his honoring of it may seem to defeat the idea of a Tolerance Policy, he personally wished that people would still make an attempt to carry on what he considered his "dream" for Cordor.

The dream more or less died on that day. The Duke's abdication from power, his criminal trial, and now his untimely death after a terrorist attack on the prison have all, in their own way, been nails in the coffin of the old Cordor Tolerance Policy.

So to set you straight, "racism" was never against the law. It was never a crime to begin with. But it was a social policy, and the guard, once upon a time, acted prejudicially towards obvious racists. This is not the case any more, as monstrous race PCs continue to prove, time and time and time again, that they truly wish to cause the people of the Commonwealth harm, and the non-monstrous race PCs, the "adventuring community", are either too lazy, too arrogant, too busy to help, or they just don't give a damn about the dangers facing the citizens of the Commonwealth from the monstrous/evil races.


 
      
Xaviera
 
PostPosted: Fri, Apr 03 2009, 17:57 PM 

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Yossarin wrote:
Although Lieutenant Galverson was technically on trial in civil court, the truth is that the Tolerance Policy itself was on trial. PCs weighed in, along with various NPCs. Estara takes the credit for getting the ball rolling with the petition that sealed the deal in the end, with overwhelming PC support for a banishment of Lolthlites....which was a move that flew directly in the face of the Tolerance Policy.

Although Xavi had written to the Duke almost two (RL) months previously, it was the public petition that finally got things moving. As when Xavi wrote to the Council about the Banites but Saralonde posted the public notice some months later.

I guess Xavi just isnt enough of a sh*t-disturber :wink:

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Yossarin
 
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I guess not!


 
      
Lord-Hadeis
 
PostPosted: Sat, Apr 04 2009, 17:18 PM 

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Come on all you drow haters you know the rule. When an evil none player race becomes playable they automaticly get a good alignment in the public eye. If you don't belief me just check The Order of the Stick *grins*

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Grymia
 
PostPosted: Sun, Apr 05 2009, 1:17 AM 

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Yossi has provided a good summary.

FUnny enough , the OOC mechanic actually kaiboshed one IC and very reasonable restriction, a forbiddance against Undead being allowed inside Cordor.


 
      
Dev Disco
 
PostPosted: Sun, Apr 05 2009, 8:23 AM 

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Locked. Doesn't make much sense without the OP.

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