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TormakSaber wrote:

No. Never. Not in a million years.

Uncle-Opustus wrote:

TormakSaber wrote:

No. Never. Not in a million years.

MoshingChris wrote:

Uncle-Opustus wrote:

TormakSaber wrote:

No. Never. Not in a million years.

QFE.

Ok I asked earlier but it seems my question got missed.

I am in the process of evaluating my build for a cleric of selvetarm (currently level 24).

He is Str-based, going for devcrit with ESF:Conjuration and EDK. Obviously all feats have investment in requirements, so there is actually no fiddle room with this build, and due to the tight stat requirements there is no room for true skilldumps.

Does anyone have another suggestion for something that would work for a cleric of selvetarm? Selvetarm, being the drow diety of warriors.

Zanthair wrote:

Does anyone have another suggestion for something that would work for a cleric of selvetarm? Selvetarm, being the drow diety of warriors.

Rebuild to forget EDK and use mummy dust instead? It gains an extra epic feat and two pre-epic feats.

That is a valid posibility. In doing so, I suppose armor skin could be one of the selected epic feats, if going for minutes/cl.

One problem I have with my build is its very gimped for AC, even with +4 deflection, +5 dodge, +5 towershield +5 fullplate (both through magic vestiment) and +4 natural, im looking at 45 ac. Final build will have 15 tumble bringing me up another +3, but I'm thinking I'll have a hard time topping 50.

After a quick calculation, I came up with AC 51. I would drop both, EDK and Devastating Critical and take Knockdown, Improved Knockdown, Mummy Dust and Greater Ruin with the free feats at least. Improved Knockdown with a STR-based cleric is really something way more frightening than Dev.

Also skipping the Dev Crit means that you have some more room Ability-wise. You could get Divine Shield to help your AC troubles.

Aw only 24?? aw Laf'ean still waiting to share that love again!

AC suggestions:

-Well, cant you do Cleric 23 / Fighter 4 / Rogue 1 instead of CLeric 26 / Fighter 2?. After all, you get same amoung of feat + a dumble dump.
Oh but then you would get dispell.. It's up to you.

-I hope you got travel and trickery domain for haste and improved inv but even with that, AC still under 60.

-For a cleric drow, i would've took BG to go for Dev Crit and Divine Sheild/Might (natural 16 CHA at least) but then, the AC would get up to 60-64 on +4 equipement wich is still to low for me.

Overall, an EDK Dev Crit look nice, but face someone who have good Fort and simple Transform scroll (vs GS) and your fried because of your low AC. Cause the guy (with mind Blank) would aim for the caster first right.

EDIT:

Uncle-Opustus wrote:

After a quick calculation, I came up with AC 51. I would drop both, EDK and Devastating Critical and take Knockdown, Improved Knockdown, Mummy Dust and Greater Ruin with the free feats at least. Improved Knockdown with a STR-based cleric is really something way more frightening than Dev.

Looking how easy to buff up Discipline, i've always see Knockdown or IKD useless unless PvM. However, mummy dust and greater ruin sounds fabulous.
Even with 99 Fortitude and 200 Discipline, the Dev Crit would scare me more than KD, none if safe from rolling 1! 8P

Re-edite: cause KD is what? D20 on attack roll vs d1 Discipline roll to get it (if huge discipline)?

AB + d20 + 4 from IKD vs. Discipline. War and Travel is the real überpowersuper combination, especially to Cha clerics.

Oh, GS doesn't work with EDK, mind.

Recent thoughts on a build :

barbarian 18 / rogue 5 / fighter 6

The goal would be to go all out on strenght, and get just enough dex so that when boosted a bit, it would be the same as the AC of a full plate. Is it possible practicaly? I was trying to have a big basher fighting nude torso.

So far I had planned to start with

16 strenght(18 with race)
16 dexterity
14 constitution (16 with race)
8 in charisma and wisdom (6 with race)
the rest in intel

think it might be possible?

pharax wrote:

Recent thoughts on a build :

barbarian 18 / rogue 5 / fighter 6

The goal would be to go all out on strenght, and get just enough dex so that when boosted a bit, it would be the same as the AC of a full plate. Is it possible practicaly? I was trying to have a big basher fighting nude torso.

So far I had planned to start with

16 strenght(18 with race)
16 dexterity
14 constitution (16 with race)
8 in charisma and wisdom (6 with race)
the rest in intel

think it might be possible?

Erm, forget DEX, wear fullplate, then customize it to look like you're fighting nude torso?

Well, that's my suggestion too. But I guess some mainly barbarian, Dex-Thing, dual-wielding axes and cornersneaking the characters with low Spot and Listen would work. Barbarian/Ranger/Rogue maybe!

I don't think full plate has the ability to take the chest off. do they?

No, but it can be customized. Costs a couple of DCs.

Well if that character was to be, I did not really intend to wait level 30 to roleplay his look. Plus going cloth might get a few advantages like a bit of MS / hide against monsters, as well as a decent tumble check. Dex also takes full advantage both rp and build wise of the rogue classes.

In that case, Ease of stats and skill-wise, Opustus' Barb/Ranger/Rogue seems to be your best bet, unless you really want epic weapon spec.

I would drop the dex by two points to make sure INT was 14 and wear padded armor. It works out the same and wont effect your hide/ms.

Good point. By the way, specifying I want to be able to go nude torso might look like a capricious thing, but it infact has a major role to play in the roleplay of the character I am planning.

@MoshingChris : very interesting idea. Would also give me more skills. Thanks.

Interesting points all around, I'll have to keep them in mind.
Selvetarm's supported domains are evil/strength/war, so no i don't have travel or trickery, unfortunately.

Thinking of a pally/SD, but no idea how to start. I know I want level 4 paladin spells, and maybe craft wand. Any ideas?

Falling Spider wrote:

Thinking of a pally/SD, but no idea how to start. I know I want level 4 paladin spells, and maybe craft wand. Any ideas?

Theres no way to make this halfway decent in my opinion unless you go the non-divine might route and then you may aswell make a Ranger/SD because the pet will put out more damage.

If i were to make it i would say

23 Paladin 1 Ranger 6SD on a standard human

15str 14dex 10con 14wis 14int 10cha

1-20 Paladin Feats: Extend Spell, Knockdown, IKD, Stealthy, Dodge, Mobility, Weapon Focus: Heavy Flail, Imp Critical
Skills: Discipline

21 Ranger Feats: Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Fort
Skills: Hide/MS/Tumble to SD requirement

22-26 SD Feats: Epic Skill Focus Hide

27-29 Paladin Feats: Epic Skill Focus MS, Armor Skin
Skill: Discipline 32, Taunt 32

30 SD Feat: Epic Skill Focus Discipline
Skill: Hide 33, MS 33, Tumble 30, Heal: whatevers left

All ability points into Str.

Max hide/MS = 103 in padded armor with max dex buff.

That said i still think its moretrouble than its worth.

Ahmm. Would some sort of cleric be easier to make work, for a divine SD?
Edit: I'm really just looking for an SD build different enough to be unique, but not so different that it's ridiculously weak.

No SD is going to be unique, ever, I am afraid.

How's that?
(If so, then how's about workable in combat?)

every SD with good enough hide is going to work in combat cause of the way HIPS works, especially if you combine it with Epic Dodge

"any" SD has been done before, just some builds are more popular then others

Falling Spider wrote:

Thinking of a pally/SD, but no idea how to start. I know I want level 4 paladin spells, and maybe craft wand. Any ideas?

Here is the paladin/SD build from the first build thread. It looks bizarre, and I somewhat suspect it was a joke rather than intended to be playable. (EDIT: The more I think about it, the more it seems like this build might not have been ridiculous as I had thought, despite the silly name.)

Also, the entire point of the build was using Holy Sword to dispel things, which no longer really works in 1.69 (since the caster level of holy sword's dispel is capped at 10).

x1x wrote:

July 17, 2007

Prudish Stripper

Elf Paladin 15 / 9 Monk / 6 Shadowdancer

Stats:
12 Str
18 Dex -> 26
12 Con
14 Wis
12 Int
8 Cha

12 Pal / 8 Monk pre-epic for optimal ab and saves.

Feats:
Pre-epic - weapon finesse, dodge, mobility, ambidexterity, two-weapon fighting, improved two-weapon fighting, weapon focus: kama
Epic - epic weap focus: kama, great dex, epic dodge, armour skin

Max disc, hide, move silently, 30 tumble, left overs wherever you want.

As holy avenger is based on character level, there is little reason to take more paladin but wis must be buffed to 20 (even better 26) for bonus 4th lvl slots.

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The purpose of this build is to take full advantage of holy avenger's overpoweredness.

The dispel check is 30 (character level) + d20 vs 11 + caster level, with a 50% chance of activating. Even a pure level 30 caster will have 45% of its buffs stripped with 1 dispel. A level 19 caster or lower will be completely stripped with 1 dispel. This build gets 10 attacks per round with holy avenger. On average it will take less than 1 round to strip any character naked. Not only does it strip buffs but also divine feats (e.g. shield), curse song, auras...in fact almost anything.

Along with holy avenger, the build combines the fantastic ab of the paladin with the fantastic effective ab of the shadowdancer along with the huge number of attacks per round with the monk. Fully buffed the build can reach 55 ab. With HiPs, it can come out of hide and hit opponents flat footed, removing their dodge, tumble and dex ac thereby increasing its effective ab. With good ab and hips, its improved knockdown is extremely difficult to resist and is able to spam away lamely. For a monk, damage is suprisingly respectable, averaging 30 per hit.

Defensively, the build fully buffed can hit 67 ac. With epic dodge, this makes hitting the prude a difficult task. Saves are great due to monk and divine grace with the paladin's charisma buffs, plus the inclusion of improved evasion, shadow evade, death ward and paladin/monk immunities.

I truly miss x1x's comments, anyone know where he went?
(good paly build btw).

Acrid wrote:

I truly miss x1x's comments, anyone know where he went?

I've never met them, but if it's the same person as the x1x gamespy account, they were logged onto Amia B earlier today as Calix.

Oh realy? cool, guess we dont have same hours playing time then. Thank you 8P

I'm looking for a decent build for an elven druid. I want her to be a caster without emphasis on shifting (I know that's a weakness but it will do).
Can anyone suggest any decent multiclass? Or should it be straight druid?
Feats? Skills?

Yurell wrote:

I'm looking for a decent build for an elven druid. I want her to be a caster without emphasis on shifting (I know that's a weakness but it will do).
Can anyone suggest any decent multiclass? Or should it be straight druid?
Feats? Skills?

30 druid, take spell focus in whatever spells Earthquake, Bombardment, and Storm of Vengeance are. Take metamagics as needed. Pump pump pump wisdom. Enjoy Big Dawg and possible Dragoknight fun.

what type of druid would you want your character to be? as well as what diety shall it follow? There is Rillifane Rallathil who is the elven nature diety. also what subrace of elf would it be? sun, moon, wood or wild. I believe that wood is the best for a druid elf, but that is just me.

I was thinking wood elf, although to be honest I hadn't given deity a thought. As for type of druid, I was thinking along the LN kind that really doesn't give a damn so long as you aren't disturbing the balance, and the proceeds to demonstrate merciful and just are contradictory terms.

btw I tried to follow the elven information links in your sig but it redirected me to the forum index.

Ok so here's what my poking about came up with. Make him better if you can please?

Half-Orc Fighter 4/ Rogue 10 / BG 16
Stats: 18 Str, 8 Dex, 10 Con, 12 Int, 14 Wis, 12 Cha.
1F) Power Attack, Cleave
2F) Knockdown
3R) Weapon Focus: Greatsword
4R) +1 Int (13Int now)
5R)
6F) Great Cleave
7R)
8F) Improved Knockdown +1Str
9BG) Blind Fight
10R)
11BG)
12BG) Disarm +1 Str
13BG)
14R)
15R) Improved Disarm
16BG) +1 Str
17BG)
18R) Skill Focus: Discipline
19R)
20R) +1 Str Crippling Strike
21BG) Epic Weapon Focus: Greatsword
22BG)
23BG)
24BG) Epic Prowress +1 Str
25BG)
26BG)
27BG) Epic Skill Focus: Discipline, Armor Skin
28BG) +1 Str
29BG)
30BG) Epic Skill Focus: Taunt, Epic Fiendish Servant.

I dunno what can be changed to make this guy better or if he will end up sucking. What I do know is he gets 10d6 Sneak, 53 Disc 44 Taunt. Im not certain how to calculate BAB and if his will be good or no.

Any help would be appreciated. Oh yes he can get 20 Tumble and 20 UMD as well. So I suppose thats good XD

Yiou need one fighter level in epic for Epic Weapon Spec and a rogue level in Epic for better tumble/UMD.

I am making a new char. It will be a bard/PM/RDD with devcrit. Any advice?

Yes, make less obvious April Fools jokes. >.>

I made one of them recently, as it happens. I'd ask to be given it as an April Fool's, but then people would know how to build one right, and I'm happier to see them suck monkeyballs and sniff gorillabutt the way they do at the minute.

There are some types of cheese that Uce keeps to himself, you see. This is one of them.

Tete de Uce(TM) :wink:

^ love that cheese juste because it's french 8P

Since i love bard, i was thinking making a Bard 20 / Champion of Kelmevore 6 / PM 4 any advice?

You know that Kelemvor has this thing about the undead, right?

Don't stomp his idea. Self conflicting characters with depth and inner struggle are awesome. Love the idea! Go on! I will probably DC the hell out of this char.

He'd be taken as a heretic and be roasted.

By himself, no less. Date.

I'd like to request ideas on heavily oriented monk build, using fists and having lots of strenght. Not necesserarily complete builds, but as I know nothing of monks, general ideas of class, stats and main feats might be appreciated.

Thanks !

Chop off your arm to spite your face...

Kelemvore would smite you for being near his idol. He'd have to. maybe Jerbil or whatever his name is would agree

FEAR ME!! For I am the great god Jerbil and shall crawl into your small dark places!

I'm not sure, but I think Jergal would be more amenable to that kind of character than Kelemvor. Sorry, Kjetta, a PM that doesn't just serve but is also a CHAMPION of Kelemvor? I don't see how that can be acceptable in any way. Inner turmoil and all that happy crappy is all well and good, but this is just wrong on so many levels.

Sokar Rostau wrote:

Sorry, Kjetta, a PM that doesn't just serve but is also a CHAMPION of Kelemvor? I don't see how that can be acceptable in any way. Inner turmoil and all that happy crappy is all well and good, but this is just wrong on so many levels.

Haven't you read Star Wars, were Luke Skywalker joins the dark side to destroy it from within? To me, this is the best character concept I have ever seen on Amia so far.

*Stands ready with DC wand.*

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