AMIA ARCHIVE • View topic - Underdark. Other races (besides Llothite Drow) thread

apart of the whole 13 hour total RP of session of Ultrinnan included working with laws for the 'lessor' races :twisted:

This was to help with any conflict. Just like what you seen with Nesek, Bendir dale, etc.

So, if anyone messes up.. one can point to the post laws. Respect your neighbor within their own grounds. Give it time and such.

13 hours =whew= some two days! alot of decitation to a game and being a leader. Really not easy as some think it is.

Getting back on topic, I'm curious as to what we can do to get Kobolds, goblins, duergar, orogs and other underdark races out of Cordor and back into Underport and surrounds for RP. I'm finding that such races are now starting to return and RP and last night we roleplayed the beginnings of starting an Underport Council and Militia.

It has been my experience that people go where the action is. There again, I go to Cordor square every once and a while and besides one or two, I'm finding Cordor isn't always that busy anymore. Perhaps people have found other centres for RP too....

When I listen to some of the Underdark race characters on the surface as to why they spend their time on the surface, a great number of them have this, ex-slave, escaped from the Underdark and now home is on the surface concept. That I guess, is fair enough (not very original but fair enough) but I wonder if they stopped to think "do we really need more surfacers?" when they came up with the idea?

The other common misconception when I hear about people not willling to play Underdark characters is the idea that the UD is full of PvP'ers and evil denizens. Well, in my experience, its not so full of PvP'ers but it is full of evil denizens. So the story isn't necessarily 100% true either. Its a harsh environment that's for sure, but if you think every denizen is thinking about killing 100% of the time, you're probably mistaken. Most Underdark races are looking at survival. That mentality tends to generate a "me first, you second" type attitude. Its this dog eat dog type of world that generates the high level of evilness about the place. The selfishness then spills over into evil thoughts of greed. The Drow are probably the exception in their outlook, they've got more of a conquer all, everything must bow to us or die type attitude. I often wonder why so many people play Drow and not other races. The other UD races probably aren't so fanatical in their desire for war. Though, scratch the surface and you start to find each races motivations:

Duergar = accumulation of wealth
Svirfneblin = accumulation of gems
Drow = conquer all
Orogs = smithing and war
Illithid = accumulation of slaves
Beholders = who knows, that's what makes them so alien!

and so on...

Its usually the other motivations that lead to conflict with the other races and drow.

Okie dokes, from the many nightly meetings in Underport with the various races a plan is starting to develop and Driarry has drafted up what she considers the proposed model to be to the Overmind. (Of course, the ultimate goal is yet to be revealed hehe) as a result of the meetings between the various factions and races there.

What of non Lolthite drow and tieflings?

In Character, Non-Llothite Drow and Tieflings have yet to even show themselves in Underport, let alone attend meetings and try and get on this new Council being established.

When they do, it'll cause quite a stir no doubt (since the Bloodbeards and Greenskins wouldn't be too happy about it). If the Vhaeraunites want to come back to Underport and join in the powersharing idea, then they need to do so IC I guess...

OOC, I'd be happy for the Vhaeraunites to join in.

IC, my characters would have mixed reactions XD

As I've said before in this post (I think. I'm not reading through it again to check) my Orog is a typical Orog plus more. He's extremely industrious, extremely cunning, extremely war-like and extremely religious.

Now... being a complete devotee to Ilneval and Gruumsh is going to cause a -huge- ruckus when it comes to Drow. He's smart enough to atleast keep his mouth shut if there's trade when he's alone... his followers are not. They'll roar and throw faeces because it's what One Eye tells them to do. (Gruumsh hates Lolth AND Corellon afterall)

I'm more then willing to share Ulnderport with Drow and Shadow Elves (they were there first naturally)... I'm warning you now though to expect some -very- aggressive and heated RP when dealing with us Horde greenskins. It'll be very similar with the Bloodbeards who have a very like-minded hate for Drow in general.

[edit]Also... *chucks spear at WonWon* You know you wanna be papa Gruumsh. Kurtulmak is just so meh.

Same though applies for Svirfneblin and Kobolds (they as a race are supposed to hate each other but the UD is too small for more than the odd snide remarks in Underport).

Incidently Galenson, go sign that letter to the Overmind IC, we need to establish that Council before we can begin to "take over the world"...hehe...

The other great thing about this Race related Council is that it'll bring out the various racial tensions between council members, which, in my mind at least, makes for great RP. But with the constant threat of Llothite Drow on our doorstep and kivvil above, it will also be a constant pull together/squabble amongst ourselves affair I feel, which serves as a great basis for roleplay tension.

e.g., Order of Bureau Business no. 29,

"It appears yet again, that the Orogs ate the kobolds whilst on patrol with them...can we remind our Grey skinned "friends" that they are NOT to eat our own troops?"

soundofastream wrote:

"take over the world"

...you said "kill all pointies!" I didn't sign up for world domination, that's too much effort.

Hey, Gnomes are allowed their own delusional visions of granduer after all! *wink*

For the record, Drow don't want world domination ... mamma Lloth says no taking over the surface, so the drow listen.

Faerun is a land of two worlds: above and below.

you can't tell me that Drow don't ever think about taking over the Underdark.

Galenson wrote:

Faerun is a land of two worlds: above and below.

you can't tell me that Drow don't ever think about taking over the Underdark.

Of course they do ^^

Then why worry? Be happy.

Well, I am the Ultimate Avian Overmind here, and my scheme is very simple: you want goodies, you go to B. The future of the UD in A is not really interesting for me.

soundofastream wrote:

In Character, Non-Llothite Drow and Tieflings have yet to even show themselves in Underport, let alone attend meetings and try and get on this new Council being established.

When they do, it'll cause quite a stir no doubt (since the Bloodbeards and Greenskins wouldn't be too happy about it). If the Vhaeraunites want to come back to Underport and join in the powersharing idea, then they need to do so IC I guess...

OOC, I'd be happy for the Vhaeraunites to join in.

IC, my characters would have mixed reactions XD

The tiefling known as Raevil lives in underport and has done so for a very long time. He has had IC dealings with others within the city, most recently with the "human" known as Cord Vinsak. They share an animosity toward each other that borderlines on disgust and tolerance. I'd be happy to RP with other local denizens, but haven't seen any in months RL time. Must just be bad timing.

Yurell wrote:

For the record, Drow don't want world domination ... mamma Lloth says no taking over the surface, so the drow listen.

From what I understood, despite desires, drow don't have the organization and raw numbers to elicit a permanent hostile takeover of another city, UD or surface. This is mostly due to the fact they are too overly concerned with themselves and trying to get ahead of even their most trusted friends and family to the point of disgracing and/or killing them outright to have any semblance of honor or desire to rule ALL of any area. Exceptions do exist of course and as it stands no player may currently rise to a position of power in Ultrinnan to take over the city. That is reserved for DMs only (Baenre Matron)

Mamma Lolth keeps the drow too busy fighting among themselves to ever actually conquer the surface, even if she'd like it. And she would. Drow are the supreme race, created to rule over all others.

It's not very smart, but she's Chaos herself. Not very practical, but vain, proud and greedy.

Nekhy wrote:

Mamma Lolth keeps the drow too busy fighting among themselves to ever actually conquer the surface, even if she'd like it. And she would. Drow are the supreme race, created to rule over all others.

It's not very smart, but she's Chaos herself. Not very practical, but vain, proud and greedy.

She ordered them not to at the end of the Crown Wars from what I recall, and hasn't rescinded the order, making it heresy to try. Sure, raid, pillage, destroy, but no conquering.

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soundofastream wrote:

In Character, Non-Llothite Drow and Tieflings have yet to even show themselves in Underport, let alone attend meetings and try and get on this new Council being established.

When they do, it'll cause quite a stir no doubt (since the Bloodbeards and Greenskins wouldn't be too happy about it). If the Vhaeraunites want to come back to Underport and join in the powersharing idea, then they need to do so IC I guess...

When exactly do you hold these bloody meetings? I've played several characters who are not Llothite and spent several long periods waiting for the so called 'bustling RP' that you go on and on about, Sound?

Yurell wrote:

She ordered them not to at the end of the Crown Wars from what I recall, and hasn't rescinded the order, making it heresy to try. Sure, raid, pillage, destroy, but no conquering.

pff, like they could anyway

Dambrath - bitch.

555444333 wrote:

soundofastream wrote:

In Character, Non-Llothite Drow and Tieflings have yet to even show themselves in Underport, let alone attend meetings and try and get on this new Council being established.

When they do, it'll cause quite a stir no doubt (since the Bloodbeards and Greenskins wouldn't be too happy about it). If the Vhaeraunites want to come back to Underport and join in the powersharing idea, then they need to do so IC I guess...

When exactly do you hold these bloody meetings? I've played several characters who are not Llothite and spent several long periods waiting for the so called 'bustling RP' that you go on and on about, Sound?

Mostly its been Aussie hours, so that's probably why. It just so happens that many of the faction leaders are aussies, lol.

Dev Disco wrote:

Well, I am the Ultimate Avian Overmind here, and my scheme is very simple: you want goodies, you go to B. The future of the UD in A is not really interesting for me.

I don't know about others but I'd be perfectly happy if Underport was moved to B-side...or failing that, move whatever RP we need over that way...that's just me though, I'm one of a number of players who play in the UD.

soundofastream wrote:

I don't know about others but I'd be perfectly happy if Underport was moved to B-side...or failing that, move whatever RP we need over that way...that's just me though, I'm one of a number of players who play in the UD.

I think every UD player would be happy if the UD was moved to B. I know that the drow would be happy to see it on B.

Mind that 'the UD' can mean multiple things, my children...

Dev Disco wrote:

Mind that 'the UD' can mean multiple things, my children...

Yup. Do there's Underriver, for example, which connects right up to Tro caves.

Tat said, I want t seethe UD on B

Kjetta wrote:

A bustling Underport is much cooler than a few scattered and empty Underdark settlements devouted to each race, IMO.

*has same opinion*

Personally, in an ideal world, I would prefer the UD to have separate race centres and an active enough player base to fill each settlement. Sadly, we don't have such a player base as, like Galenson said (which is truth) everyone who comes to the Underdark JUST wants to play Llothite Drow. A handful of other players have the good sense to RP the more "numerous" races in the Underdark. Currently, active, is One Svirfneblin in the whole of our Underdark (okay 2 if I should also play my other svirfneblin, Drem!).

So, maybe if we did have a smurf centre, we might suddenly get more smurf players, but...what tends to make the world fun, is activity. In the UD at the moment, we're breathing life back into Underport. Now that's no reason why if we did get this council off the ground (and we appear to be), that we couldn't have a mining outpost on B (filled with smurfs and duergar) who then trade their stuff in Underport. So I actually think we can combine the two models and it would still work wonders. That is, the two ideas can and should be combined to give us a working vibrant Underdark.

I'm against the moving of underport to B. Underdarkers need a location to start on A because if you've forgotten they're banned from Cordor.

herkles wrote:

I think every UD player would be happy if the UD was moved to B. I know that the drow would be happy to see it on B.

What fucking drow are you asking? Leave it - abloody lone.

Galenson wrote:

I don't really understand why some want the UD/Ultrinnan to be moved across to B-mia. In it's current location, the Drow are spoilt with convenient access to lowbie and epic spawns. Not to mention having Underport close by, you get access to easy access to more mid range and epic spawns ontop of steady lowbie gear without breaking a sweat.

Confuses me.

I posted that in the Ultrinnan forums... all the points are still relevent mind you. All this talking of trying to keep the Underdark players together is making me doubt my original post though.

I believe Carter put the idea forward in the thread Making B-mia come alive, but other dev's decided against it or weren't too keen on it. Can't remember the full details. Anyway, if there's a mining colony for duergar and svirfneblin on B-mia, my svirfneblin will gladly hang out there when on B and Underport when on A if that's how it'll pan out.

IC, it would just be far far easier to not have to overthrow the Overmind in Underport and instead, start up a new colony on B-mia anyhow. But, I'd be happy to work with Dev's, DMs and players to go with whatever's best for the Server and adjust my own RP to suit it. Currently, opinion seems to be divided as to various models for Amia's UD. I tend to like B-side more than A-side as a player in terms of the new areas.

My problem with A-side UD is:

1. Its too small
2. Its very, very linear and
3. Its not very scary in terms of nasty monsters and the like, people laugh at it, except for Udos area...

I promise the Dev team this, if the Underdark on B is as good as anything that I've seen on the new B-side of Arelith (heck, I reckon with Disco's methods it will be better!), I'll be the first to move over to Bside UD.

I'd like to see a major UD calamity. Enormous earthquakes, lava flows and maybe even a volcano form and erupt up through the UD cities destroying everything current and then of course it opening up previously unexplored caverns, the survivors of which flock to these new caverns. Some pulling together to defend tooth and nail for the little scraps they can keep. The Lolthite Drow obviously would have to find some semblance of order through the chaos or perish. The other races would probably ban together long enough to accomplish something. Eventually a new city or cities could develop once the existing monsters have had their numbers reduced.

Graaah. WE've had 2 new ultrinnans in the last 2/3 year. Calm down with the geographic rewrites.

Also nitpickers notes - lava is not lava till it breaches the surface - this would be a magma vent action. (though magma travel so slow, the drow could jut build a wall of bauxite blocks and hope.)

So we've got the new UD on B for testing...*shifty eyes* All I can say is, I can't wait! Little Drem is itching to race around it and explore every nook and cranny...that is, until she runs into the Cavern marked "Do Naut Enter" and finds a massive ancient shadow dragon in there...

I can't wait either.

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