AMIA ARCHIVE • View topic - The seasonal 'DMs Suck and/or Amia is dooomed!' thread

*blank-stare* *blinks a few times*

Well this is one topic I'm not bothering to read 'every' word, but the general gist of it...

Yes, some dm's are quite rude at times, I guess it's an issue of power corrupts, and they can get away with saying 'x' statement. I've seen it I'm not saying any names, and others are bundles of joy right up til someone breaks a rule, which is generally ok, but even then I think it should be 'sorry I have to do this, rules demand I do' sort of attitude, instead of "oh you (censored) your gone" type of attitude. 'even' if the attitude is more or less justified. ..cause let's face it agreeing to be a dm is agreeing to take on alot of bs from the playerbase, its why we 'joke' about the players giving new dm's a hard time...it's really preparing them to expect it. DM's are people too and sometimes have breaking points, but no tis not an excuse for them to be just plain rude all the time for no reason. It's like the 'old person' syndrome where the elderly acquire the old and mean stereotype for yelling at people. (while others are simply quite sweet and generally nice) I'd go far to say that some DM's don't really have a problem with this either, we all have diffrent patience levels.

Yes there's quite a few old timers leaving, but unless you directly heard from them the reason 'why' I don't think it's fair to just point a finger and say 'Oh it must be the Dm's'...when it might just be coincidence or as stated earlier a chain reaction of an 'in-group'.

I'll say this, I really liked Arelith, the rp, the playerbase, the scripts that made it life-like, but then i heard stories about and eventually met the DM team, and it was a truly sad situation, something I can't just ignore. ( We once lead a farmer's revolt of about 7-8 farmers who we're rp'ly going on strike (In their Cordor) demanding more wages, and an Arelith DM logged on, possessed the overpowered executioner and slaughtered us all for 'disturbing the peace', nevermind if the city was to RPly starve as a result)..and there are 'many' other instances, including ooc issues.

Simply put, Amia is Much better off in this area, although there's always some room to improve.

I distinctly recall Yoss having 90 hitpoints at one point. I don't recall why. But it is true.

Build quality has no bearing on RP skill. You can make them work. The perfect example of this is Ruce. How he works his magic, I know not. All I know is his characters entertain me, highly.

it is true though you don't need to be a powerbuild to do anything on the server unless it's roleplaying an physically strong villian who can take almost all comers but thats common sence, even then you got enough skill points to fully rank up an conversation skill.

but yes players who haven't been power builds effected the server, the three previously mentioned characters tormak was modest not to mention Torin (sorry will stop picking on wussy torin soon, promise) in the whalftown plot expecially yes some powerbuilds donated million sof gold towards there cause and got distracted by a metorite which eventually trying everything to move it away from civiliseation it ventually blew up but they all had over 400hp so hey were good if not slightly burnt, but see an non powerbuild wouldn't have been distracted. thats the moral and whalftown is relitvely banite free except those who get lost on there way to the underdark

Azrael wrote:

Yes there's quite a few old timers leaving, but unless you directly heard from them the reason 'why' I don't think it's fair to just point a finger and say 'Oh it must be the Dm's'...when it might just be coincidence or as stated earlier a chain reaction of an 'in-group'.

Not picking on you! Just quoting so people will know what I am talking about.

The problem with that kind of thing, is that you will never know for sure if the player was truly honest. For all we know - since we are not seeing their face to try finding any traces of truth or lies there - they could be lying to you, or telling you a half-truth, to acquire your sympathy and have you join their cause of pestering the DMs because the player thought that behaviour was unfair.

I know the reasons why some of the players are leaving or left, and I tell you only this: you would be disappointed at some of those players if you (you in general, not anyone in particular) knew the REAL reason why.

No, I will not tell you (again, you in general, not anyone in particular) the reasons. I can only hope the player that feel wronged come back someday to apologize, or tell you what really happened.

It is like La said on Letum's thread.

Lalelilolu wrote:

Just gonna throw this out here.

When snark gets in the way of personal enjoyment, you need to step back and decide when and why it happened, look at all possible reasons , all sides. Instead of letting things build up to the point of sending a forum poof message that you'll most likely have to retract. <snip>

I wouldn't defend the DM side against the players or the players side against DMs and honestly this discussion about the ones that left is just aggravating things. Why don't we leave this subject go cold so if they decide to come they will come and no need to apologize?

I don't care why people are leaving, but one thing I know, the server depends on its players, and blame them all the time and stick with the DM side of the question wont solve it. Going against DMs wont work either, because we need the DM for the game as much as we need the players. So why to put more fire on this?

Let the ones that went refresh their mind on other activities and maybe one day we will see them around again. Lets hope for conflicts like this wont happen much in the future so we can all have a game based on friendship and more elevate feelings than grunge and hurt pride.

I think all was said on this topic and if there is no constructive criticism that the DMs could use to do better, there is no point to rant either.

It is becoming like Brazilians talking about politics, talk talk talk, eat, drink, talk talk talk, and nothing ever happens.

So, lets be practical, make suggestions, stop the small rants and such, and maybe we can get somewhere better.

Delarwyn wrote:

It is becoming like Brazilians talking about politics, talk talk talk, eat, drink, talk talk talk, and nothing ever happens.

That bit made me giggle. XD

But I agree with the rest of your post.

Delarwyn wrote:

I think all was said on this topic and if there is no constructive criticism that the DMs could use to do better, there is no point to rant either.

Agreed.

I think 5 pages is enough this 'season', lock and move on to better things?

I don't know if it's entirely lockworthy yet, but I'll give my brief summary.

Everyone is different. RP in the way that makes you happy, without trying to disrupt other people's enjoyment.

EDIT: So I may have put this in the wrong thread. Still applies, dagnabbit. I can't help it that there are two large, mostly negative threads that run in close to the same vein.

The Cobbit wrote:

I don't know if it's entirely lockworthy yet, but I'll give my brief summary.

Everyone is different. RP in the way that makes you happy, without trying to disrupt other people's enjoyment.

EDIT: So I may have put this in the wrong thread. Still applies, dagnabbit. I can't help it that there are two large, mostly negative threads that run in close to the same vein.

Teehee

Just copy and paste on the other thread. :P

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*giggles* Cobbit!! you made me give a nice giggle now.

I'll modify it to fit this thread better.

Every DM is different. They each like and dislike their own things, and run the client in their own way.

Eh, doesn't make quite the same point... Good enough.

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I'll give it a yossarian twist

"Dm's are like ice cream, everyone of them has a slightly diffrent flavor, yea just gota remember to keep the cooler on so they don't melt."

Edit: and lick them just right

Azrael wrote:

I'll give it a yossarian twist

"Dm's are like ice cream, everyone of them has a slightly diffrent flavor, yea just gota remember to keep the cooler on so they don't melt."

...And lick them just right?

The Cobbit wrote:

Azrael wrote:

I'll give it a yossarian twist ;)

"Dm's are like ice cream, everyone of them has a slightly diffrent flavor, yea just gota remember to keep the cooler on so they don't melt."

...And lick them just right? :D

Yummy!

ROFL!!!!! this have become officially a spam thread and I blame Cobbit for it.

...And lick them just right can be soo twisted in my naughty mind... :twisted:

I've made people smile. My mission was a success.

The naughty thoughts are just a bonus.

I like you 10% more now.

I think DMs should be hard-asses, they're Dungeon Masters for goodness sake, not bloody Care Bears. Rules are rules. If you break them be prepared to pay the consequences. If you dont like it then shove off.

O'Raghailligh wrote:

I think DMs should be hard-asses, they're Dungeon Masters for goodness sake, not bloody Care Bears. Rules are rules. If you break them be prepared to pay the consequences. If you dont like it then shove off.

But they should be care-bears if you didn't break a rule.

Azrael wrote:

But they should be care-bears if you didn't break a rule.

Oh my god, that's Ron!

Anyway, no reason to lock a topic that's still going on and isn't breaking forum code of conduct. When people are done, they're done, and it's dropped.

The DMs do and should come down hard on rulebreakers. It's just when ordinary players feel a haughty tone or hostility that it'll have negative effects on the gaming & forum atmosphere. This has been brought up enough in this thread already and I don't think any more reminder is needed. Just some folks still haven't made that distinction.

No one ever said that rulebreakers should be handled with silken gloves. I wouldn't at all mind harsher penalties in these cases either.

People possibly detect the haughty tone due to the fact the DMs are in a position of power. Even if it is not the DMs intention to sound that way, and in most cases I doubt it is their intention, some people tend to instantly adopt the defensive stance due to their own preconceptions and life experiences.

People are far too sensitive and politically correct these days.

DM is a master, not an equal.

I disagree. A DM is here to work *with* you, not above you. The DM - player rapport is one of the most important connection a DM can make with their audience.

All players are made equal on this Amia, and DMs are players too.

Yup. Some are just more equal than others.

O'Raghailligh wrote:

DM is a master, not an equal.

Dungeon Master.

Master of the dungeons.

Not of the players.

DM's respect players, and players respect DM's. Not because a player is a player, or because a DM is a DM, but because we are all people, here to play a game together.

. . . . .

Well, that's how it works ideally anyways.

O'Raghailligh wrote:

DM is a master, not an equal.

No. Being allowed to run a client doesn't make you special or better then anyone.

Never say anything like that again.

Quote:

People are far too sensitive and politically correct these days.

Kill yourself. How's that for PC?

Go drown yourself in a sink.

Case and point - far too sensitive

But, I suppose that is to be expected from one who uses a Linkin Park lyric as their signature. :lol:

I'm serious here. All of those Rush Limbaugh-esque sh!theads who whine about political correctness need to be lined up and shot.

As for the DM's being the player's masters? Even they took that idea out back and shot it.

Quit trying to Brown nose the DM's. It's depressing and makes you look bad.

Quite right.

But if you really want to get down on your hands and knees and treat me like your Master, I won't object.

Wow, I go to one tiny conference, and there's too much for me to read on the forum..

Just want to say that I'm not "after you". Well, I am.. but in a good way. That's all. And I don't appreciate random virtual licking. Got to have that on record. :wink:

Its not brown nosing, I expect a DM to be like a judge or referee, not some pansy that lets themselves get pushed around by some short-tempered arrogant twerp with delusions of grandeure.

Dungeon Mommy perhaps is a better definition then.

BTW Im not talking about a DM when they are playing a character, Im talkin 'bout a DM when they are a DMing.

O'Raghailligh wrote:

Its not brown nosing, I expect a DM to be like a judge or referee, not some pansy that lets themselves get pushed around by some short-tempered arrogant twerp with delusions of grandeur.

This post is hilarious because you're trying (and failing) to push them around until they fit your conception of what a DM is, the last sentence particularity suits you.

Quit while you're behind.

Be nice now, or your 'equal' will use superior power and lock this thread.

Yossarin wrote:

Quite right.

But if you really want to get down on your hands and knees and treat me like your Master, I won't object.

*goes down on hands and knees and praises the mighty Yossarin* I shall live to serve, master.

I'll fight you for him! How 'bout a round of "My man ain't yo' baby's daddy!"?

Signe Johanne wrote:

Wow, I go to one tiny conference, and there's too much for me to read on the forum..

Just want to say that I'm not "after you". Well, I am.. but in a good way. That's all. And I don't appreciate random virtual licking. Got to have that on record. :wink:

*evil grin* you love a licking Signe, confess...licking is awesome... muhahaha.. and yes, double meaning.. dirty Del mind as usual.

I agree with DMs and players are complementary to each other, no master and servant.

I am not a brown nose, and I think this expression soo ewwww, but I am nice with everyone, including dms, so maybe it can be seen that way..But, I am honestly just the type of people that likes making friends everywhere.

I actually don't think players and DMs will ever be equal. The DM is where the buck ends, and they will have to stand above all parties in the case of conflicts. Players can also give you 1001 reasons why their particular pet idea should be executed but if no DM likes that idea it simply won't be done because the ideas and the power to executed them are not shared.

That's how it is, and both DM and player should act with this in the back of their mind?

The Chook said it best, the buck stops with the DM, so lets have it stop in a calm, conscientious, considered and constructive way.

Keep calling on care-bares and callous hearted DMs to cast off their concrete ideas, be less conservative and more conducive to compromise.

If not then more beatings with the alliteration stick.

I personally have no general complaints about the DM team, I think they have improved since the past. But if I was to say anything that they could do to improve themselves, I would suggest that they do small random things, like taking control of some NPCs in various cities or a small minor raid by monsters on an enemy just small things.

This all reminds me that I need to do another Warhammer Ork Themed Attack...

WAAAAAGH

<_< Sorry. Taking this topic too seriously is detrimental to your health.

http://www.amiaworld.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=36115

take a little visit down to ~my~ thread and say yeehaw, folks. i think that is what the server needs

You can stop any time now, you know. With the PMs and the trying to link to the thread I locked.

amiaman123 wrote:

http://www.amiaworld.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=36115

take a little visit down to ~my~ thread and say yeehaw, folks. i think that is what the server needs

nevermind cowboys, they deleted it because the content was true, in fact they were screenshots of shi.t.

amiaman123 wrote:

http://www.amiaworld.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=36115

take a little visit down to ~my~ thread and say yeehaw, folks. i think that is what the server needs

The server needs nothing?

Well, I -did- tell him to stop. Now he has, with a little help.

AmiaMan123;

Firstly, I'd encourage using capitalization. It's a good thing to learn, and can spell the difference between the following two statements;
"i helped my uncle jack off a horse"
"I helped my Uncle Jack, off a horse."

Secondly, we have forum censors for a reason; to prevent you from using specific words that the forum administration deems inappropriate and inflammatory. Blatantly attempting to bypass this doesn't look too well in your favour.

Thirdly, I'd encourage you step back briefly and look at your own behaviour. You're being offensive to other players, publically attempting to demean them and their roleplay or their behaviour, and largely being a narcissistic prick.

And finally, please follow the forum rules that you agreed to when you joined the forum. Which means no inflammatory, offensive posts and respect to your peers.

Khylaria wrote:

Well, I -did- tell him to stop. Now he has, with a little help.

riiiight... its just unfortunate that the thread only got like 58 views from about 10 different people or so

only if more saw that. it only lasted about 20 min or so which was also too bad... as for aggressive DMs? i disagree, they do what they have to do.

i do think that DMs should not necsarily limit someone's opinion along with some proof on the fourms though as well.

if you know what i mean, DM team.

WonWon wrote:

This all reminds me that I need to do another Warhammer Ork Themed Attack...

WAAAAAGH

<_< Sorry. Taking this topic too seriously is detrimental to your health.

I would love to see an orc attack upon winya, nothing big but a small attack upon the guards would be fun. no idea as to what a Warhammer ork themed attack is like though.

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