I would be interested in suggestions for favoured enemies however; whih are the harder ones where BoW would makea difference?
I'd go for an earlier Favored Enemy: Giant, since leveling through the giants at and after level 25 is worthless, concerning exp. Take it at 15 in stead, oe 20 if you're unable to find a decent party.
Outsider (abyss, actand), undead (brog manor) and aberrations (mindflayers, beholders) are the way to go in late level grinding.
To me, not enough to justify the investment featwise and ability wise.
Hrm. I kinda wish I'd taken it for Ubala. When she had the Bacon of Dhoom and was chopping up an FE, then Devcrit wouldn't have helped much since the DPS is so good, but out of that comfort zone it'd have given her better Plan B than anything else I can think of.
Although, the idea of an EDRIII Ranger does interest me. I'd like to see how that one fared. Just a shame DwD isn't really compatible with it, aside from maybe a 25/5 one to get the Sneaklessness and the second last Amia pet buff.
I thought the sneaklessness only happened when IN combat. So if the rogue goes back into stealth and there is no other enemies then the dwarf drops out of combat and the sneaks come rolling back in.
DPS isn't a problem for rangers. FE or not. I have a massive DPS on my level 18 ranger with lousy outdated weapons and if there's something I can't hit, the companion does it for me with his four attacks per round and 44 AB.
If thats the case then how come my level 27 druids, bear animal companion has only a base 41 AB unbuffed. Im not buying this 44AB on a level 18 ranger, esp as their animal companions are a few levels behind. Thats of the same level as an EDK.
My sheet says 33, but the sheet lies. The battlelog tells me that it's 44, and I trust that more than the sheet. Things like Greater Magic Fang, don't show on the sheet. Also, I have a huge pile of Bull's boots I spam on the piggy so that it gets its +5 STR bonus. And then there's Awaken spell, which grants +4 STR.
If thats the case then how come my level 27 druids, bear animal companion has only a base 41 AB unbuffed. Im not buying this 44AB on a level 18 ranger, esp as their animal companions are a few levels behind. Thats of the same level as an EDK.
The Ranger level X pet is the same as the Druid level X, the only difference is that Rangers wait till level 6 to get one.
Is there any way to build an assassin using the Assassin class that actually will make it any better at assassination than.. any of the other thousand ways one can put together a stealth/surprise killer?
I can't remember who said it, but the comment had originally been "Sadly, the best assassins rarely have any levels of the class"
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Is there any way to build an assassin using the Assassin class that actually will make it any better at assassination than.. any of the other thousand ways one can put together a stealth/surprise killer?
I can't remember who said it, but the comment had originally been "Sadly, the best assassins rarely have any levels of the class"
Basically no.
Dev Crit, UMD, Invisibility or GS is the best way to do it because you can't have persistant true seeing, and it's way to easy to boost your spot or listen high enough that sneaks are basically worthless. And there's almost no stopping a properly made Dev Critter unless you can make sure s/he never touches you.
Having said this, you can make a functional Assassin with Assassin levels.
Is there any way to build an assassin using the Assassin class that actually will make it any better at assassination than.. any of the other thousand ways one can put together a stealth/surprise killer?
I can't remember who said it, but the comment had originally been "Sadly, the best assassins rarely have any levels of the class"
Basically no.
Dev Crit, UMD, Invisibility or GS is the best way to do it because you can't have persistant true seeing, and it's way to easy to boost your spot or listen high enough that sneaks are basically worthless. And there's almost no stopping a properly made Dev Critter unless you can make sure s/he never touches you.
Having said this, you can make a functional Assassin with Assassin levels.
In that case, what function does the assassin class really have? heh.
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In the same vein, then.. if one were to want to make a truely effective assassin build (being defined as the role, not the class - stealthy, silent, efficient killer.. probably defined by pvp roles, since no one needs monsters assassinated)
What would they do?
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The 1 level of skilldump is pretty much for RP. If a Sorceror with a PvP book wants you dead, your best use of time is calling Mum and telling her you love her; whether you see them coming or not is moot.
Whats cooler then bending reality, stopping time, obliterating, eradicating, burning, blowing up, freezing solid, zapping, melting and disentgrading people/fiends/enemies/stuff/buildings?
Yeah, exactly.
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Having a fantabulously long-lasting Bardsong of much deliciousness that will bring you much love from any party you're in?
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Is there any benefit to going 30 Bard other than being a great RP character?
Your Bardsong is worth +19 skills and +7AC compared to a Bard25's +14 and +6, and at the lowest you can get Lasting Winspiration is a Bard20's +8 and +5AC. Curse Song applies -18 and -7AC for the 30th.
There's a random extra point of skills applied at Bardsong23, the point of which I've never known, especially since Curse Song doesn't get the same bonus.
Basically, you'll uberise your party more than a lower Bard can, although depending on what you spend the other levels doing, that might not be worth it.
Any advice on what feats to take for a druid/monk/shifter type deal?
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The important things to remember are that Monk's Wisdom AC is not going to tranfer to the shapes, and castery type effects will sum Druid+Shifter levels.
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Monk will still be usefull, but only for:
- unarmed combat, evasion, tumble, saves (pre epic lvls), free IKD (lvl6), so ... still quite the gruyere, but at least they lose the huge AC boost.
However, most likely the AC & AB will be pulled up to par with regular builds, and you'll be better of going fighter for a tonne of feats extra.
I have no idea what they will become but most likely you'll be good with:
- (improved) expertise (this is already a superb thing for non monk shifters in their mindflayer shape, as the concussion is a feat, not a spell, so it doesn't disable expertise but is not hampered by lowered AB)
- Power attack (only if some shapes have high enough AB,... at this moment not so much except for dragon)
- extended spell if you take enough druid levels for some of your buffs (easily dispelled though)
- some weapon foci (unarmed comes to mind if you end up not taking monk)
- saves bonus feats
- depending if you go WIS heavy or not (interested in epic shifter feats or not) you can take extra CON and go for drain or extra CHA and go for divine might/shield
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I thought the sneaklessness only happened when IN combat. So if the rogue goes back into stealth and there is no other enemies then the dwarf drops out of combat and the sneaks come rolling back in.
Oops, missed this. Yus, it's useless against cornersneaks and HiPS. It's a PvM feat really, but in mass faction brawls it'd be good too.
My DwD18 is built for PvM, but had anti-SD work as a sideline. However the Defensive Awareness is no part of it; that is handled by the 100 Spot and 29/- DR. The most lethal SD I'm aware of on Amia is Siveyn and he took, by his standards, a truly ridiculous amount of time to kill him. This was a no-Heals sparring match done outdoors. If Heals had been in the mix, it would have been won by the fact I'm 8 hours ahead of Siveyn's player and would have needed to sleep before him.
An EDR Ranger would only get 16/- with the Deflector Shield, but with Favoured Enemy, the 14 WIS (my DwD had 8) and some pre-epic feats that could go to 110+ Spot. That gives a much higher percentage of detection, but I truly have no idea if that would be more effective than the extra DR.
I wouldn't make the Ranger/DwD, though. If I was going for EDRIII I'd just go Ranger27/Rogue1/Ftr2.
I would like to know something about theses Cleric 18-20 / Bard 2 / RDD 8-10 build, they scared me as ive no idea how they can be done. They also seems to be pretty awsome builds PvM-PvP-RP wise.
then i would trade the BG class for the CoT class, blackguard requires you to make a pact with an evil outsider, whether that is a servant of your diety or not is up to you. but Champion of torm, or as everyone else rps it Divine champion of *insert neutral or good deity here*
then i would trade the BG class for the CoT class, blackguard requires you to make a pact with an evil outsider, whether that is a servant of your diety or not is up to you. but Champion of torm, or as everyone else rps it Divine champion of *insert neutral or good deity here*
Well i know of the packt thing and that it requiers evil. but Kelemvor suports LE followers. and i have an idea behind the BG lvls but i will not post that here....
But if the concept is to weird... is ther eany cool elven duties that supports a fanatic cleric?
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then i would trade the BG class for the CoT class, blackguard requires you to make a pact with an evil outsider, whether that is a servant of your diety or not is up to you. but Champion of torm, or as everyone else rps it Divine champion of *insert neutral or good deity here*
Well i know of the packt thing and that it requiers evil. but Kelemvor suports LE followers. and i have an idea behind the BG lvls but i will not post that here....
But if the concept is to weird... is ther eany cool elven duties that supports a fanatic cleric?
Yeah, Shevarash and he's CN and his followers wage a holy battle against Drow.
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then i would trade the BG class for the CoT class, blackguard requires you to make a pact with an evil outsider, whether that is a servant of your diety or not is up to you. but Champion of torm, or as everyone else rps it Divine champion of *insert neutral or good deity here*
Well i know of the packt thing and that it requiers evil. but Kelemvor suports LE followers. and i have an idea behind the BG lvls but i will not post that here....
But if the concept is to weird... is ther eany cool elven duties that supports a fanatic cleric?
Yeah, Shevarash and he's CN and his followers wage a holy battle against Drow.
I have read a bit on the wiki about him and he seams to fit prety well whit my consept...
Im still thinking of the maybe i should chanse the classes to 25cleric/4Fighter/1 something whit war and strenght domain. Cha heavy meele cleric of Shevarash...
I want it to be a good PvP build but still abel to do some PvM...
Any ideas? becose im totaly new to cleric builds....
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there are no evil elven dieties, yea I know fenemeal and Shervash are CN, but they by all rights shouldn't have or allow evil elves as their deities, I do also believe that there are no evil beings for your elf cleric to make a pact with. So I would stick with your cleric being neutral. I don't know much on builds but I believe you can get much of the same from CoT just as you would if you took BG.
Mind you, even Good characters can be ruthless and very deadly, have hate and act upon it and so forth. Good =/= happy all the time friends with all people. Good can hate, our characters are flawed. Don't be afraid to have flaws, even as a cleric who has the backing of a deity. Very few priests and priestess are perfect, they have their good traits and their bad, there strengths and their flaws.
there are also groups, such as the infamous and disliked by other elves, Eldeth velthuura, a group of elves who basically hate humans and want to kill them with any means, and that doesn't include going up to them and slaughtering them all but doing it far more subtly more often then not. if that does intrest you, PM me, I have a bunch more info abot the EV.
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