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On the plus side, you have a pirate's sword rather than a ninja's.

Did I just get some sort of RP cred for going Scimmy? My rep must be shot to hell.

Amia's Dream Coins are superior to Arelith' XP rating since DCs scale with level, but on Arelith you still get the 10-40 XP every 6 minutes, regardless of level. IMHO.

Guess it's time to chime in with a few comments from the Dev bench.

1. Quests. These cost a lot of time to think up. I did try to let players write them out, but that simply doesn't work. I either spend days on implementing what they want (and often can't be done), or I spend post after post on depressing 'no you can't do that' messages. Combine this with the even more depressing current usage of quests and you'll understand that you won't have a sudden quest expansion. That said, the amount of quests quadruppled since I became a Dev because I think new regions simply need them.

2. XP limiting. Sorry, I am not gonna do that without a really clear idea of what you'd expect from that and a way to measure if this change actually improves anything. The backfire potential is way too big to do this without that. Mind that the DM team would have to agree as well.

3. I remember seeing some nice and realistic suggestions in this thread but I'd have to reread the whole lot to filter them out. Will do that later. Most of the issue, however, is not to be addressed by me but by yourself (if you don't bother too much a lot of issues solve itself) or by your fellow players.

hendrack wrote:

Amia's Dream Coins are superior to Arelith' XP rating since DCs scale with level, but on Arelith you still get the 10-40 XP every 6 minutes, regardless of level. IMHO.

I sort of agree, but the one thing that Arelith's RPR system did do, is make you work like a dog to achieve quality RP.

That is, it helped you understand what good RP is:

For reference:

0 Rating: Does not stay in character, rushes around from spawn to spawn killing things with little to no interaction (OR, new to the server and unrated)
10 Rating: Stays in character sometimes.
20 Rating: Stays in character at all times, creates a memorable personality, and is fun to play with.
30 Rating: Shows exceptional aptitude to bring out the good RPer in those around them, is part of the living, breathing world and environment of Arelith.
40 Rating : "A master role player is one who is willing and able to bend their character concept to make the game more enjoyable for all involved. To assist the DM in making the game fun, and not to sow discord." -Gary Gygax

What I disagree with it is that it was very easy to go down in RPR but very hard to go up in RPR rating. You just had to have one off day or feeling tired and not roleplaying well and a DM to see it and boom, down to a 10RPR rating...

Amia's Dream Coin system rewards you for the good hair days you have, not penalise you for the bad hair days you have.

But, we can still use that RPR chart and check our own RP against it and see how we're doing from it. In a nutshell, the qualitative information on the right, not the numbers on the left are what makes it good. It categorically states, if you're ticking all those boxes in your RP, you're at X quality RP.

Check your own roleplay off against some of the criteria and you'll quickly find that you're at a certain stage in roleplaying. I would say that many players on Amia get to 20RPR, a handful get to 30RPR and I could probably count on one hand a number of players who would be at 40RPR. Incidently, I wouldn't be in that 40 category...(I'm still learning!)

Many are probably at the 0 to 10 RPR stage. So Arelith's rating system sucks in what it rewards but it does try and improve the quality of RP overall. Given the low xp per monster, over on that server at least, a high RPR will get you to 30 a lot quicker than just constant grinding.

DCs here are only given out during the times when:

1. a DM is on and you get noticed by one and,
2. You do good roleplay

They are a nice to have and at level 30, its the DCs that you're after because, gold you've got a stack of and you've got all the standard best items already and you don't need XP anymore.

That in many ways, makes DCs BETTER than Arelith's system because they still can reward you when you're at your max level.

In short, no system is perfect but a system that helps bring out your best in quality RP is a system in the right direction at least.

Kjetta wrote:

:shock: Did I just get some sort of RP cred for going Scimmy? My rep must be shot to hell.

No, because Al never says "Arrrr."

Somebody summarise this damn topic!

Galenson wrote:

Somebody summarise this damn topic!

Pretty sure the summary is that you smell Galenson, but I could be reading it wrong

Summary: People telling other people, 'This is how RP should be on amia', then discussing it back and forth on how to make it so, with the random spam post in it.

Dwagin wrote:

Summary: People telling other people, 'This is how RP should be on amia', then discussing it back and forth on how to make it so, with the random spam post in it.

Yeah and also some freaky movements to somehow rate the roleplay...

DCs work fine. Good RP=DC. No RP=No DC. Good is such a wide quality that most styles can fit.

People telling others how to RP almost never works unless the person is pretending to be Ao incarnate and running around Cordor killing the sausage vendor only to go complain how "OMG HAXS" a law knight is. In that case give some advice.

Phantom-D wrote:

Dwagin wrote:

unless the person is pretending to be Ao incarnate and running around Cordor killing the sausage vendor only to go complain how "OMG HAXS" a law knight is.

OH crap! you saw that guy too? freaky little thing.

Just to chime in about Arelith, though I dunno why it's being brought up... I have a 30 XP rating on both my characters there... and I've only played like TWO hours!

Bwa hahaha

.... and then I died like 50 times, anyway, because I forget to buy fucking food and water.

A big problem comes from people want to RP a certain way and expect people to RP the same way they do so they can intereact.

If you notice people that RP one way tend to avoid people that RP another way.

What one person A thinks is good RP may not be the same that person B thinks is good RP

This is also what often makes alot of the older players leave. They are set into a certain RP mindset and will only RP with people with that same mindset, and when one leaves they dont want to change thier RP style and try something new so they say the sky is falling

Halecta wrote:

A big problem comes from people want to RP a certain way and expect people to RP the same way they do so they can intereact.

If you notice people that RP one way tend to avoid people that RP another way.

What one person A thinks is good RP may not be the same that person B thinks is good RP

This is also what often makes alot of the older players leave. They are set into a certain RP mindset and will only RP with people with that same mindset, and when one leaves they dont want to change thier RP style and try something new so they say the sky is falling

Just because a player has been around longer doesn't mean they suddenly become inflexible and stop adapting.

It's fair to say that sometimes players disagree about what good RP is, but the problem is not that their interactions are incompatible, it's that they misread the intent of those interactions, or they do not interact at all.

Roleplaying is not an effortless thing. You have to make it happen, and you have to want it to happen. When you no longer want RPing to happen, or you can no longer make it happen, then it is time to retire.

Too drunnk onight, too hungover tomorrow to reply... I do have an answer, though... it involves boobies too! And beer! Well... tonight it's beer... tomorrow it will be aspirin...

Sokar Rostau wrote:

Too drunnk onight, too hungover tomorrow to reply... I do have an answer, though... it involves boobies too! And beer! Well... tonight it's beer... tomorrow it will be aspirin...

Haha. Now, this is a post of you I like! It's short, it contains interesting topics, and it makes me laugh!

Dev Disco wrote:

Sokar Rostau wrote:

Too drunnk onight, too hungover tomorrow to reply... I do have an answer, though... it involves boobies too! And beer! Well... tonight it's beer... tomorrow it will be aspirin...

Haha. Now, this is a post of you I like! It's short, it contains interesting topics, and it makes me laugh! :P

It made me giggle too. ^^;

Think he will regret it tomorrow? xD

It's really the best answer you can provide for any problem. Boobies and beer. How can you go wrong?

I see your boobies and beer and I raise you one brad pitt's abs in fight club and a Malibu Bay Breeze.

Estrogen!

I could go for both. I mean, hey, I'm not gay or anything, but come on..... Brad Pitt. Rawr.

The Cobbit wrote:

It's really the best answer you can provide for any problem. Boobies and beer. How can you go wrong?

Boobies and beer can lead to all kinds of trouble. Clearly you do not know the difference between a dog and a fox.

For the guys, it usually leads to a screaming little rug rat and a woman demanding alimony to support the child. Or otherwise a healthy dose of syphillis or chlamydia the next day...

For the girls, boobies and beer, usually leads to a great time but if you're not gay, can lead to extreme embarrassment the next morning *giggle*

Sokar Rostau wrote:

They seem to believe that "RP" means seeking out a spouse and having children while gossiping about who is screwing whom. [...] you must talk in accents while gossiping with your wife's brother before going off to have tea and scones while you discuss the weather with some random person you've just met.

As one of the 'RPers' singled out by the OP, I've avoided responding to the thread thus far. I'll just say this:

Did you ever play PnP D&D and try to rough up some bartender or shopkeeper only to find out they were a retired 30th level mage? :lol:

There is such a thing as a 'retired adventurer'. And while they might be running strongholds or small countries in PnP, Amia doesnt have enough land area to permit that. If even a small fraction of all the adventurers got together, they could level Brog mountain, shut down the Bastion and turn the Frozen Wastes into a skating rink.

Some people do get bored of doing the same job year after year. Why not sit back with a couple of beers, chat it up with friends and live easy off that hoard you've accumulated?

Mm, I don't get how anyone can call "social RP" a bad kind of RP. It's just as good and worthy RP as the adventuring kind, even if it may not be to everyone's liking. To me, running around the same mountains/fields/whatever, day in and day out, roleplaying an adventuring warrior or whatevever, is a lot more dull, and something I rarely do.

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Childish RP gets old, its completely not believable, and just plain stupid.

I believe the working definition of "social RP" when people use the term discouragingly is more than just roleplay that doesn't involve adventuring. When folks ridicule social roleplay, they are talking about the kind of roleplay wherein the PCs become shallow extensions of the player's own social life, a surrogate or substitute for a RL social life.

Approaching things from a writer's PoV rather than a roleplayer's PoV, the custom for me, I can understand why that kind of roleplay brings jeers. For the writer, every encounter, every line of dialogue, every interaction should be a solid motion towards plot advancement, towards establishing theme, or at the very least a quick setting of the mood. Social RP, as it is defined negatively, has no meaning, no drive. It is more often than not casual flirting that involves actions you would never do so brazenly IRL (tickles, hugs, pokes, prods, name your action verb). Social RP gets this bad rap, I think, for two reasons: it is a dead end street and doesn't particularly seem to advance anything, and it makes people who engage in social RP look like losers living in their parents' basement and since this is the internet, everyone likes to make fun of those people.

I am fair, however. Although I believe the above kind of social RP is ultimately superfluous and doesn't really contribute anything to the overarching story, I think it is still a necessary part of the atmosphere (in moderation). There really isn't anything inherently wrong with using Amia as a substitute for a social life, and in doing so, you're really just establishing rapport with another player/PC that can be taken advantage of for more serious purposes at a later date. Sometimes, social RP can change from playing yourself to playing the PC (it goes in and out) and you can inadvertently stumble upon a situation that forces you to consider how your PC would react, and then you gain vital knowledge.

While I am on the one hand inclined to jab a bit at these narrowly defined "social roleplayers" just to be a prat, I freely admit I (usually) jest when poking fun. There really isn't anything wrong with their style of roleplay, and it can lead towards more substantial non-adventuring roleplay.

Yossarin wrote:

I believe the working definition of "social RP" when people use the term discouragingly is more than just roleplay that doesn't involve adventuring. When folks ridicule social roleplay, they are talking about the kind of roleplay wherein the PCs become shallow extensions of the player's own social life, a surrogate or substitute for a RL social life.

Approaching things from a writer's PoV rather than a roleplayer's PoV, the custom for me, I can understand why that kind of roleplay brings jeers. For the writer, every encounter, every line of dialogue, every interaction should be a solid motion towards plot advancement, towards establishing theme, or at the very least a quick setting of the mood. Social RP, as it is defined negatively, has no meaning, no drive. It is more often than not casual flirting that involves actions you would never do so brazenly IRL (tickles, hugs, pokes, prods, name your action verb). Social RP gets this bad rap, I think, for two reasons: it is a dead end street and doesn't particularly seem to advance anything, and it makes people who engage in social RP look like losers living in their parents' basement and since this is the internet, everyone likes to make fun of those people.

I am fair, however. Although I believe the above kind of social RP is ultimately superfluous and doesn't really contribute anything to the overarching story, I think it is still a necessary part of the atmosphere (in moderation). There really isn't anything inherently wrong with using Amia as a substitute for a social life, and in doing so, you're really just establishing rapport with another player/PC that can be taken advantage of for more serious purposes at a later date. Sometimes, social RP can change from playing yourself to playing the PC (it goes in and out) and you can inadvertently stumble upon a situation that forces you to consider how your PC would react, and then you gain vital knowledge.

While I am on the one hand inclined to jab a bit at these narrowly defined "social roleplayers" just to be a prat, I freely admit I (usually) jest when poking fun. There really isn't anything wrong with their style of roleplay, and it can lead towards more substantial non-adventuring roleplay.

kinky kingdom is social rp?

I was specifically avoiding making that connection, as it would be an unfair comparison to make regarding most of Amia's social roleplayers.

Rather, I wanted Dakotean and others to know that social RP isn't just non-adventuring RP, it is a very specific kind of non-adventuring RP, and to give some illumination on why I think people make fun of it.

I grant Yoss's thesis that most 'social RP', as he defined it, does not generally contribute to the world. However, when it moves beyond 'light' interactions to finding information, or stirring up animosities, or solidifying friendships, or bartering, or any one of a number of non-hunting activities, it is useful in that it develops the characters and their relationships, which can be important at a later date.

That could be easily said about hunting or ''adventuring'' as some call it. Running up a mountain killing dozens of giants does not advance anything either, it does not create a story, nor does the characters personality come into play. You just kill stuff and get treasure. A fighter hits stuff, a wm crits, the mage buffs... yay.

Social rp is where friends and enemies are made. You learn about others and their stories by talking to them, you create bonds and relationship. Social rp leads to character development. You actually get to see the characters quirks and traits in their behavior, or from the way they speak. It's also where you can actually make a difference, by getting involved in politics, factions, etc. (politics are by all definitions social rp, you just talk and argue, no adventuring involved) Whacking stuff is meaningless, but by doing social rp, you can actually get involved with the world and affect things.

The evacuation of the shrine, the grove's attempts at keeping the forest safe from the caravan, the kellies attempts to get allies and preparing for the assault, neither involved any action or monster bashing, yet it actually has effects and creates a story, I think this is what rp is about.

Zante wrote:

Social rp is where friends and enemies are made. You learn about others and their stories by talking to them, you create bonds and relationship. Social rp leads to character development. You actually get to see the characters quirks and traits in their behavior, or from the way they speak. It's also where you can actually make a difference, by getting involved in politics, factions, etc. (politics are by all definitions social rp, you just talk and argue, no adventuring involved) Whacking stuff is meaningless, but by doing social rp, you can actually get involved with the world and affect things.

When people talk bad about social RP, this is not the kind of social RP they are talking about. Your example is non-adventuring RP. It is valid, and is far more than *tickle-pokes you and smiles*.

Edit: I'm concerned I may sound like an elitist scumbag, but understand I'm actually attempting to explain why people make fun of social RP. And that by using the term social RP, they aren't quite doing it justice. As far as I'm concerned, Amia is a hobby and people can do damn well what they want to so long as it is within the rules.

It is the wrong term as far as I'm concerned. Back in ye olde days before NWN, the people I hung out with would call it 'gratuitous character development' or GCD for short. And yes although it doesn't on its own add to the plot, it does provide necessary window dressing.

Zante wrote:

That could be easily said about hunting or ''adventuring'' as some call it. Running up a mountain killing dozens of giants does not advance anything either, it does not create a story, nor does the characters personality come into play. You just kill stuff and get treasure. A fighter hits stuff, a wm crits, the mage buffs... yay.

No offense, but you've been hunting wrong.

That's simply not true. Hunting/Adventuring can and should be every bit as engrossing as non-adventuring RP. Rather, the majority of players, from what I've seen, tend to treat the two of them as two separate entities that don't cross over each other, divided some imaginary line. There's nothing stopping someone from roleplaying their character, showing their personality, growing, etc. while out killing things other than the player's own laziness or lack of desire to be there. It can be a bit harder to do this when you're alone, but it is doable.

Maybe I haven't hunted in awhile (read: a day), but I haven't been in any exp/wealth engine parties in a long time, and I've always had fun playing out my characters while they're out fighting. I mean, if giants are so monotonous and hunting so boring, do something to change it. It's an <enter> key away from turning another 10k experience into RP. And 10k experience.

(Not a 'shot' at Zante, but simply the newest post I could find.)

Which was a point of the OP.

What's with all the social RP hate? There are as many ways to RP as there are RPers. Surely there is room on the server for differing styles. Styles admittedly not all agree with, but I think they all have their place.

One of the attractive things about this server, in contrast to many others I have seen is the colour. The sense of the towns being alive, with people living normal lives, talking about normal things as counterpoint to the horror and bloodshed that is the adventurer's normal lot.

I find it pleasantly grounding to wander past bearing grisly trophies and wounds, to hear a couple bickering about whether their kid should go to nursery or temple. Sure, it's not RP I would choose to take part in, but I'd smile and carry on, just a little lightened by the fact that because of my efforts on the frontier, these people can live a normal life.

Heroic RP, whether high and holy or dark and subversive, anti-heroic, action oriented, Macchiavellian RP, plain evil, nemesis/antithesis RP, even erotic RP has its place, (no matter how squicked out it makes me feel. But as long as it's kept private and consensual, it is not an issue in my eyes.) But all these styles fall flat if there is no backdrop. Actors without a stage, although this can work in the theatre and occasional arthouse film, those are scripted stories.

A story where the only things to react to and observe are dramatic and heroic will swiftly become staid. Social RPers are like the extras, the background characters that help create a credible world which we can inhabit. But in their case, they are the focus, we the heroes become the backdrop, the extras and added detail. Played well it can be a beautifully satisfying inversion.

I possibly have a looser definition of social RP than other posters here. I define myself as one, but with Poddli being my main, I have no choice in that perhaps. She is a social creature, voluble, chatty and (hopefully) charismatic too. Why should a desire to interact with the world on a mundane level, even while doing the most extraordinary things, damn her as a ... *koff* ... social pariah?

I've tried to come up with a new term that's short, descriptive and catchy enough to replace social RP, but I've yet to succeed. When I talk about social RP, I mean what Yoss defined. It's when people treat Amia as a glorified chatroom with a fantasy theme. A substitute for a real social life, exactly as Yoss said. Pointless small-talk, making friends for the sake of making friends, overt joking around, excessive shows of affection, loitering. These are things that make me cringe. Certainly, they have their place in the big picture when they're used in moderation, but they should never become the focus of one's RP. I understand engaging in things like these when there really is nothing else to do at the moment, as filler RP to lead to more interesting situations. When you log on just to do this, I think something's wrong.

The same goes for many other kinds of RP too, of course. Tasteless melodrama, touchy-feely stuff and paperdoll characters are things that I find distasteful.

I'll just counter one of the points that will be raised against me beforehand: Yes, people have different tastes. Everyone can RP however they want; Amia's rules grant us considerable freedom to do what we prefer. But it also means I'm free to disdain such RP, poke fun at the players who I believe engage in too much of it, and favour different types of RP both playerside and DM-side. You can play Little House on the Prairie if it floats your boat, but I reserve the right to throw up at the sight.

Yes, I'm elitistic. I consider it a compliment, too. There's nothing wrong with elitism, as long as you don't rub it in others' faces in excess.

Wow, um well I agree with just about everything, (especially upping the randomness and uniqeness of each hunt) But downsizing xp wont help, it'll just worsen the problem... People RPing a hunt would be in the same general area for even -longer- now that they have to get that extra XP, since the partys not strong enough to move on to the next area with stronger monsters... However, The quest thing, I think its a great idea and that RP should be DnD not 90210...

[And I swear if you write another 8 hour post Ill shank you... >.< I hate reading through the whole thing just to make sure I dont look like an idiot who talks about stuff he skipped over...]

IronAngel wrote:

Tasteless melodrama, touchy-feely stuff and paperdoll characters are things that I find distasteful.

Do you mean like this? I knew a clique of these characters on another server, long ago. And yes it was cringeworthy. It was painful, overly dramatic teen ego-fondling. But each to their own. *grins* I will never choose to dictate what others wish to RP. I will exercise my rights to mock and ridicule them (in-character) or to walk away and ignore their footlings (out of character). But to damn them for their choice as players? As long as they hurt no-one, then it is all good.

It's when the drama spills over into flamewars and nethate. That's when it becomes an issue that affects everyone. That's when it should be stamped on.

Rule One - No Drama.
Rule Two - Don't be an Arsehat.
Rule Three - Obey Rules One and Two.

These are my rules as a human being.

1. I think we were on the same server.

2. You still owe me alimony, you lecherous bastard.

I love you.

EDIT: Meant to Aiken.

Lalelilolu wrote:

1. I think we were on the same server.

2. You still owe me alimony, you lecherous bastard.

1. Very possibly!

2. Anatomically unlikely!

Aiken Drum wrote:

Lalelilolu wrote:

1. I think we were on the same server.

2. You still owe me alimony, you lecherous bastard.

1. Very possibly!

2. Anatomically unlikely!

Since when has a wallet required genitals?? HMMMM??

"Ohhh no she didn't...BURN..JERRY JERRY JERRY."

*Kidding. I agree with you whole heartedly

My mistake La! You can spell and you have a sense of humour. It can't have been you, my standards are much lower *nodnod*

Also ... aww! *spudhugs*

What are you? Gay? *slap*

Erk! You mean you're a man?! Ack! Ack! Mangerms! Gerremoff!

Aiken Drum wrote:

IronAngel wrote:

Tasteless melodrama, touchy-feely stuff and paperdoll characters are things that I find distasteful.

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Do you mean like this? I knew a clique of these characters on another server, long ago. And yes it was cringeworthy. It was painful, overly dramatic teen ego-fondling. But each to their own. *grins* I will never choose to dictate what others wish to RP. I will exercise my rights to mock and ridicule them (in-character) or to walk away and ignore their footlings (out of character). But to damn them for their choice as players? As long as they hurt no-one, then it is all good.

It's when the drama spills over into flamewars and nethate. That's when it becomes an issue that affects everyone. That's when it should be stamped on.

Rule One - No Drama.
Rule Two - Don't be an Arsehat.
Rule Three - Obey Rules One and Two.

These are my rules as a human being.

holy jesus.... that looks just like the RP i see in Cordor, especially from the half-vampire female character

That's my favourite Elf Only Inn comic right there. *begins to vibrate and explodes*

Literally, not suggestively.

Galenson wrote:

Somebody summarise this damn topic!

Ooook I'll give it my best,

One group of people's think that Leveling on Amia is not realistic enough, and so therefore wish to present several (and I mean several) decently good ideas to make it better/morefun/involve more RP for those levels in between 2-30.

The other side says noooo don't change anything.

and the DM's say, "Find a way to make it practical, and we want more assurances that what you say is going to happen is 'actually' going to happen" (more evidence basically)

the end

Toto...I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Azrael failed to post 5 pages... *gasp*

now where'd I put those red slippers...

From my PoV there is nothing wrong with non-adventuring RP. Take my Salandran for example: what would be more IC for someone who took an oath never to hurt a sentient except in the last defence of her life or the life of another

a) Go to Brog and massacre giants
b) Stand around Cordor and Wiltun looking for diseases, talking to her friends about their goings-on

Personally, I would expect the latter. I know IRL I would much rather talk with my friends than fight. That said, some of my characters enjoy killing things, so they will hunt, but going to massacre a race of monsters that do noting unless you invade their lands isn't necessarily going to be an enjoyable task for everyone.

[quote="Yossarin"Rather, I wanted Dakotean and others to know that social RP isn't just non-adventuring RP, it is a very specific kind of non-adventuring RP, and to give some illumination on why I think people make fun of it.[/quote]

Oh I'm all too well aware of what some think of as Social RP, and I understand fully why they make fun of it. Hell, they should feel free to do so. I feel free to make fun of people who continue to RP their way through the Spires, without at some point in character going, "wait... We've done this about twenty times so far, is there even a point to this? They procreate faster than rats."

Add to that the idea of gaining "experience" from killing the same things over and over and over and over and over...

...

...-ver and over again. It's just plain stupid. Sure, RP while you're hunting, but please, please don't be offended when I laugh at you, as you may laugh at me at times, due to the way I RP every now and then.

No no, Yossi dear, not aimed at you, and I'm not as moody as I may have come off. :wink:

I have moonlighted as a shameless bosshunter and I freely admit that the RP involved in repeating the process is shallow to non-existant. :wink:

It is, however, fun for me and I get a cheap thrill at seeing something special drop out of one of the loot pinatas. I tend to imagine that is the attraction for anyone who does it with any frequency.

Could I be doing something more productive with my PC time? Maybe. You'll note I never really got into bosshunting until after I became a DM, and in becoming a DM, I had to pull my PC out of a LOT of RP that I would have otherwise become engaged in because being a DM means having an inside scoop on stuff.

Hence a post I made yesterday or the day before about becoming a DM and then being sad that some of your opportunities for RP fly out the window, so you find other things to do for fun.

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