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Okay, so I heard items can give you a +50 maximum bonus to your skills.

My items give me +46 to hide, and +43 to MS. However, when I equip a bow that gives +8 to each, somehow I get the extra bonus, making it +54 hide and +51 MS, I don't get it. Is it because its a weapon?

You're not. Your maths are wrong.

You might be counting your dexterity bonuses... but I'm not sure if it counts toward the cap too.

It doesn't.

Can you please post up what each of your items are giving you? It sounds like an arithmetic error. Also, dexterity bonus and anything from Rogue's Cunning isn't included in the cap.

The Standard formulae is:

Base Skill Bonus + Ability Bonus + Feat Bonus (Skill, Epic Skill Focus) + Item/Spell bonuses capped at 50 (Camouflage, Mass Camo, One with the land, Rogue cunning etc etc).

Last edited by wakaman on Sun, Jan 18 2009, 11:22 AM, edited 1 time in total.

NeverEverLand wrote:

The Standard formulae is:

Base Skill Bonus + Ability Bonus capped at 12+ Feat Bonus (Skill, Epic Skill Focus+other feats) + Item/Spell bonuses capped at 50 (Camouflage, Mass Camo, One with the land, Rogue cunning etc etc).

Tweaked it a bit, but Moshing has it!

wakaman wrote:

NeverEverLand wrote:

The Standard formulae is:

Base Skill Bonus + Ability Modifier+ Feat Bonus (Skill, Epic Skill Focus+other feats) + Item/Spell bonuses capped at 50 (Camouflage, Mass Camo, One with the land, Rogue cunning etc etc).

EDIT: Urgh, Moshing ?

DarkAngelGirl wrote:

Okay, so I heard items can give you a +50 maximum bonus to your skills.

My items give me +46 to hide, and +43 to MS. However, when I equip a bow that gives +8 to each, somehow I get the extra bonus, making it +54 hide and +51 MS, I don't get it. Is it because its a weapon?

Oooh I see what you mean!

For hide and MS, I'm pretty sure it goes like this:

Base skill from level up (max 33) + ability score bonuses (max 16) + feat bonuses (max 19) + item bonuses (max 50) + spell bonuses (max 49 hide / 29 ms (camouflage (hide only) + mass camouflage (hide only) + one with the land + rogue's cunning + divine trickery)).

So the maximum hide / ms you should be able to get is 167 hide and 147 move silently. That said, I don't know if item and spell bonuses stack, so it could be more like 118 for both. Also, the above is as a basic human. Subraces like faerie get +8 hide and enough dexterity to reach +20 on their ability scores, so it could be even higher.

Spirit of the Age wrote:

DarkAngelGirl wrote:

Okay, so I heard items can give you a +50 maximum bonus to your skills.

My items give me +46 to hide, and +43 to MS. However, when I equip a bow that gives +8 to each, somehow I get the extra bonus, making it +54 hide and +51 MS, I don't get it. Is it because its a weapon?

Oooh I see what you mean!

For hide and MS, I'm pretty sure it goes like this:

Base skill from level up (max 33) + ability score bonuses (max 16) + feat bonuses (max 19) + item bonuses (max 50) + spell bonuses (max 49 hide / 29 ms (camouflage (hide only) + mass camouflage (hide only) + one with the land + rogue's cunning + divine trickery)).

So the maximum hide / ms you should be able to get is 167 hide and 147 move silently. That said, I don't know if item and spell bonuses stack, so it could be more like 118 for both. Also, the above is as a basic human. Subraces like faerie get +8 hide and enough dexterity to reach +20 on their ability scores, so it could be even higher.

It doesn't stack, dont confuse her/him/it.
As mentioned above, +50 cap is on skill/spell bonuses TOGETHER.
The only thing that adds above that is the Size bonus to Hide (+4 For small races - hin, gnomes, +8 for tiny - faeries.)
Even the Shadow Elf Hide/MS bonus is within the cap.

What about racial skill affinity bonuses? Do they count in the +50 cap or are they in addition to the +50?

maglorine wrote:

What about racial skill affinity bonuses? Do they count in the +50 cap or are they in addition to the +50?

they are feats

NeverEverLand wrote:

It doesn't stack, dont confuse her.
As mentioned above, +50 cap is on skill/spell bonuses TOGETHER.

Did you mean the +50 cap is on item / spell bonuses together?

Yeah that.

For the info, rogue cunning gives you +10.

base+dexbonus+feats+racial+items to put it easily

items include bardsong, buffs, and items, max stack up to 50

racial no limit, it actually counts as feats, but listing it on its own may make it easier to comprehend.

feats has no limit to my knowledge either.

dex bonus has a max of 18 on Amia I think

base is 33 at max.

max theoretical hide on Amia is;

33+18+10(ESF)+3(SF)+8(faerie)+50 = 122 Hide

Total max that you can have is 127. if you increase by one, you have -127.

ticket wrote:

You might be counting your dexterity bonuses... but I'm not sure if it counts toward the cap too.

OMG! Thanks

wakaman wrote:

Base Skill Bonus + Ability Bonus capped at 12+ Feat Bonus (Skill, Epic Skill Focus+other feats) + Item/Spell bonuses capped at 50 (Camouflage, Mass Camo, One with the land, Rogue cunning etc etc).

Can this info be found on NWNWiki? Because I've been looking and can't locate it. If anyone can direct me to it, I'd appreciate it.

At any rate, it's good to know. I never heard about this before.

i got 15 mod and it doesnt seem to be capped. neither with the other feats.

Anything that isn't a feat, base ranks, ability modifier or from your race is going to collectively count towards a +50 cap.

Dervish wrote:

wakaman wrote:

Base Skill Bonus + Ability Bonus capped at 12+ Feat Bonus (Skill, Epic Skill Focus+other feats) + Item/Spell bonuses capped at 50 (Camouflage, Mass Camo, One with the land, Rogue cunning etc etc).

Can this info be found on NWNWiki? Because I've been looking and can't locate it. If anyone can direct me to it, I'd appreciate it.

At any rate, it's good to know. I never heard about this before.

It's wrong...
Ability bonus itsself is capped at +12.
Which means you can gain a skill bonus from your base ability modifier +6 maximum.

Ehm... I don't understand ;_; You mean to say your ability bonus only adds +6 to skills?

It's just I'm pretty sure it's your final ability bonus, which can be as high as +16 as a basic human, that adds to your skills.

He's on a completely different tangent than skills, ignore him. >.>

Skill bonus cap?

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