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Kjetta
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 Posted: Tue, Jan 13 2009, 12:22 PM |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2006
Location: A Clean, Well-Lighted Place
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Nekhy wrote: Kjetta wrote: I disagree. There are many ways to do it; you don't have to conform to your style of only describing information available to ther other characters. You can also use emotes to communicate between the players to tell a tale in the style that would be common in a novel (all knowing perspective?).
Not all information needs to be safeguarded from metagaming etc. And the people I RP with, at least, are smart enough to decypher what to react to and what not to.
That said, "smirking under the helmet" is not very fresh, indeed.
EDIT: Didn't mean for this to come out aggressive or hostile, in any way. Just to be sure. Yeah, I think there's a couple of exceptions to this. There's a lot of things that cannot be said without storytelling, but what people would be able to pick up from someone's behaviour. Let's say, you emote: *Checks his watch* or *Checks his watch, as if waiting for something or someone* The first one could be understood in several ways in plain text, but if you actually saw someone checking their watch in flesh, you could pick up hints on their intentions for checking the watch. Do they just wanna know what time it is or is there another intention? But then there's the things people wouldn't guess to think about by your body postures and other behaviour. Like the smirking under the helmet, unless it's affecting your voice in a noticeable way. I agree with your first part, but I think you miss my point. I don't think it's any problem to convey stuff that the characters wouldn't know or would have to know, because I am not just providing the necessary information to other players so they can know how their characters would react; I am also trying to entertain them.
Mind, I am not saying that this style of being hardcore into describing the world as it appears to the senses is not entertaining or anything, I am just saying it's not the only style.
I like to e provided with extra information that my characters doesn't get, if it doesn't relate to anything important that would be harmed by metagaming.
A bard *Pondering what would rhyme with 'Ogrillion'* is a bad example, because it's not entertaning. But still, I hope you see what I mean. _________________ To err is human; to forgive divine, but VENGEANCE IS MINE!
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BlackDahlya
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Posted: Tue, Jan 13 2009, 12:43 PM |
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Joined: 17 Aug 2005
Location: Land of the Scorching Sun, Empowered by Global Warming
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Nekhy wrote: Kjetta wrote: I disagree. There are many ways to do it; you don't have to conform to your style of only describing information available to ther other characters. You can also use emotes to communicate between the players to tell a tale in the style that would be common in a novel (all knowing perspective?).
Not all information needs to be safeguarded from metagaming etc. And the people I RP with, at least, are smart enough to decypher what to react to and what not to.
That said, "smirking under the helmet" is not very fresh, indeed.
EDIT: Didn't mean for this to come out aggressive or hostile, in any way. Just to be sure. Yeah, I think there's a couple of exceptions to this. There's a lot of things that cannot be said without storytelling, but what people would be able to pick up from someone's behaviour. Let's say, you emote: *Checks his watch* or *Checks his watch, as if waiting for something or someone* The first one could be understood in several ways in plain text, but if you actually saw someone checking their watch in flesh, you could pick up hints on their intentions for checking the watch. Do they just wanna know what time it is or is there another intention? But then there's the things people wouldn't guess to think about by your body postures and other behaviour. Like the smirking under the helmet, unless it's affecting your voice in a noticeable way.
When a character I have is wearing a helmet and is smiling but won't remove the helmet, I usually write:
*The smile on his face/lips can be easily noticed by the tone of his voice*
or
*There's a hint of a smile on his voice*
Though I wish I was able to describe what the "smiling voice" would sound like.
I never tried doing this in flesh, but if one speaks while smirking there will probably happen a change on the intonation of the voice, too. And it would probably sound different than a regular "smiling voice".
EDIT: Typo. -.-
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Once Upon A Time Played
Adr'ael Ken'rahel, Auron Teken’ath, Aurora Mesodias, 'Daniel' Daoskinaxarijikkym, Eilin'ira, Helena Rios, Layla Faircurrent, May'Une Do'Ndar, Mellinda Tellus, Michael of Cliffside, Rizzen of Twilight, Valkirya d'Claddath
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The Peacock
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Posted: Tue, Jan 13 2009, 21:50 PM |
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Joined: 17 Feb 2007
Location: Patrollink ze borderz! Wo ist das Hahn!?
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Whilst that's true, and may be noted by some characters in the realm; giving information that isn't necessary is drawing the subversed subtext to the surface.
The mystery, the implicit and the unknown qualities of how a character feels about that character is then surfaced and the player, however conscious or subconscious it may be, will draw back and be aware of such disposition.
I would liken the similar topic to hostiling an opponent, once they've been hostiled, no matter how conscious or subconscious it is, they will be preparing for a possible fight. Heck! They may even have clicked on the spell and are hovering their mouse over you just in case you make a move.
But, you may do as you wish, i'm merely adding on to what Nekhy and Wyjyn have said.
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Yossarin
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Posted: Tue, Jan 13 2009, 23:33 PM |
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Joined: 23 Jan 2006
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Sometimes I take advantage of emotes, but by and large I really enjoy sticking purely to dialogue with no emotes, mostly for experimental reasons. Although I am more than capable of peppering and flavoring my in-game posts with non-verbal actions and descrptions, it is very amusing to me to incorporate none of the above, and then to see how people react to the flat dialogue, particularly flat dialogue that can be interpreted in different ways depending upon the tone and the body language. That said, people will interpret it how they want to, not necessarily how I want them to, so the responsibility for feeling slighted, or the elation at feeling praised, is entirely upon them.
I do this intentionally for both IC reasons and OOC reasons, but regardless I think both are valid.
Of course, when a DM has the reins, and I'm involved with other players in trying to tell a large, collaborative story, this is where you might see more emotes coming out - for my own personal enjoyment. And if you take enjoyment from it, too, well, yay.
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D-Finitiy
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Posted: Wed, Jan 14 2009, 0:05 AM |
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Joined: 04 May 2007
Location: Olympic Villiage 2010
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Spirit of the Age wrote: I've heard I should make a good character, like a paladin or a priestess of Lliira or someone happy. Any truth in that '-'?
NOOOOOOOoooooooo.............oooooooOOOOOOoooo....!
Now that I've bewailed that, regarding emotes. There are a couple of emotes you should never ever write under any circumstances: *Turns head towards so-and-so,* or *walks away*
And don't worry about DCs. They start coming when you stop trying to get them 
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Spirit of the Age
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Posted: Wed, Jan 14 2009, 7:43 AM |
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Joined: 06 Jan 2009
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D-Finitiy wrote: Spirit of the Age wrote: I've heard I should make a good character, like a paladin or a priestess of Lliira or someone happy. Any truth in that '-'? NOOOOOOOoooooooo.............oooooooOOOOOOoooo....! Too late *made a paladin not long after posting* ^^;;;;
Although I haven't gotten any DCs yet >.<; Maybe I need to make a bard or something?
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Useless fact of the day: Dogs can't look up.
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Kamina
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Posted: Wed, Jan 14 2009, 8:12 AM |
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Joined: 05 Jul 2007
Location: Kent, England.
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Don't just expect DCs to fall from the sky just because you made a new character.
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Yurell
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Posted: Wed, Jan 14 2009, 8:18 AM |
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Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Location: ANU, behind the coffee mug (+10 GMT)
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I've found I get DCs equally as often from my good characters neutral characters and evil characters, so just pumping out Pally's isn't your answer - it's quality of RP that matters, not style.
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يمكنني استخدام مترجم جوجل
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Dev Disco
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Posted: Wed, Jan 14 2009, 8:32 AM |
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HRM Chicken I of Amia
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: Amsterdam
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Yaster Galer wrote: Don't just expect DCs to fall from the sky[...]
They do when I am around. Tried to give a PC a coin yesterday because I was so impressed by his prose. After a "WTF? Why ent this blue rod working?" moment I found out I was not only trying to reward an NPC, but that I'd also written his lines myself.
Guess I am the random factor.
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Yurell
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Posted: Wed, Jan 14 2009, 8:50 AM |
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Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Location: ANU, behind the coffee mug (+10 GMT)
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Dev Disco wrote: Yaster Galer wrote: Don't just expect DCs to fall from the sky[...] They do when I am around. Tried to give a PC a coin yesterday because I was so impressed by his prose. After a "WTF? Why ent this blue rod working?" moment I found out I was not only trying to reward an NPC, but that I'd also written his lines myself. Guess I am the random factor. There you go, good RP or play an NPC
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يمكنني استخدام مترجم جوجل
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Bobo_Underhill
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Posted: Wed, Jan 14 2009, 16:13 PM |
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Joined: 21 Jul 2007
Location: The Drone Star State
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When I first came to the server with Lyle 1.0, there was a good, six month period (probably longer, actually) where DCs were a rarity. I think I earned maybe 3-to-5 over the course of the whole period. At roughly that time, I think, a DM event launched to replace Bendir Dale's appearance with what it is now. Within a month or two, Lyle had founded the Fist. He and the other hin would haunt around the area, greet visitors, talk, all that lovely stuff. Basically, they generated RP and gave something for other players to do in Bendir Dale besides trading with Jayek.
I'd also, on occasion, bug a DM to possess a priestess of Selune in Wharftown for Lyle's donation and, of course, his conversion way back when. I think I had broken at least 100 by the time I joined the DM team about six-months later.
Player initiative gets players noticed. Calling for an NPC to be possessed (for a purpose, not necessarily for a chat), getting other players involved generating roleplay, all of that should and will lead to DCs, provided it is constructive roleplay at work.
Except Cordor East, I think.
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Bobrin: Eccentric Avenging Executioner
Lyle Torrowfire: Retired badass
Marigold Cobcruncher: Perceptive Priestess
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BlackDahlya
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Posted: Wed, Jan 14 2009, 22:35 PM |
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Joined: 17 Aug 2005
Location: Land of the Scorching Sun, Empowered by Global Warming
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Bobo_Underhill wrote: Player initiative gets players noticed. Calling for an NPC to be possessed (for a purpose, not necessarily for a chat), getting other players involved generating roleplay, all of that should and will lead to DCs, provided it is constructive roleplay at work.
I can attest to that. Got a few this way, myself, with different DMs on different occasions.
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Once Upon A Time Played
Adr'ael Ken'rahel, Auron Teken’ath, Aurora Mesodias, 'Daniel' Daoskinaxarijikkym, Eilin'ira, Helena Rios, Layla Faircurrent, May'Une Do'Ndar, Mellinda Tellus, Michael of Cliffside, Rizzen of Twilight, Valkirya d'Claddath
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Cori
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Posted: Wed, Jan 14 2009, 22:54 PM |
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Joined: 10 Aug 2005
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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I hate the idea of getting a DC when I call for a DM. It's what generally keeps me from doing it, despite the fact I've been a DM and posted many times that calling for one is *exactly* what you should do.
I prefer to get them when I'm doing something without knowing a DM is watching, rather then knowing they are. If I know they're there, I feel....dirty...if I get a DC.
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Elan: A 10% chance is pretty unlikely, but everyone knows that a one-in-a-million chance is a sure thing!
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BlackDahlya
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Posted: Wed, Jan 14 2009, 23:24 PM |
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Joined: 17 Aug 2005
Location: Land of the Scorching Sun, Empowered by Global Warming
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Cori wrote: I hate the idea of getting a DC when I call for a DM. It's what generally keeps me from doing it, despite the fact I've been a DM and posted many times that calling for one is *exactly* what you should do.
I prefer to get them when I'm doing something without knowing a DM is watching, rather then knowing they are. If I know they're there, I feel....dirty...if I get a DC.
Those are my thoughts too, but it's not as if I called DMs 24/7 to possess a NPC for me just because I want a DC.
Like Bobo said, it's RP with a purpose. Like the time I asked a DM (I think it was Bobo, but my memory is awful and I might be wrong) to possess the mage merchant at Underport so I could ask him if he could make me one "secret and shady" item. It was my IC way to make the request for my faction's item, which is currently on discussion. I made the first contact IC, and then I send a OOC request through a PM.
As long as you are acting IC with a purpose, there is nothing wrong with making such requests and getting DCs for it. If the interaction is too short, I also don't think a RP is due because there's only so much you can see during that moment and it will hardly be an outstanding display of your skill; that being said, if I don't get DCs for that I don't get angry or disappointed.
But the DMs have different criteria to give out DCs and some of them think that short request and the RP behind is still worth it.
Note! Forgive any broken arguments and stuff, since I am writing from my job and have to stop from time to time to attend customers.
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Once Upon A Time Played
Adr'ael Ken'rahel, Auron Teken’ath, Aurora Mesodias, 'Daniel' Daoskinaxarijikkym, Eilin'ira, Helena Rios, Layla Faircurrent, May'Une Do'Ndar, Mellinda Tellus, Michael of Cliffside, Rizzen of Twilight, Valkirya d'Claddath
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soundofastream
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Posted: Thu, Jan 15 2009, 2:23 AM |
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Joined: 21 Sep 2007
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Are you implying that DMs give DCs out too easily? I am not of the same opinion. Sometimes on this server, RP, any RP, is very hard to find. When a DM does find it, they are thrilled.
Some people have like, 1 DC per month if they're lucky. Others get 2 in one online session. I've known one outstanding player to top the record with 6 in one 24 hour period.
Those who RP and stay IC 100% of the time WILL get DCs. Those who never RP won't. Its that simple.
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Elithiel Issatheerin (Shadow Elf) She who Lurks
Isolia Oussea'lylth (Sun Elf) Apprentice Wizardess
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Estara
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Posted: Thu, Jan 15 2009, 3:05 AM |
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Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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1. Cori, your comment is completely amazing.... I wonder if you meant it to be.
2. If someone is online 24 hours, they deserve 6 DCs. Like, wow. Go to bed once in awhile... I'd give you 6 just to log off and do something else for a day.
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TormakSaber
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Posted: Thu, Jan 15 2009, 3:06 AM |
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Location: Somewhere
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I think she meant in one "day" the player got 6 DCs, not that they were logged on 24 hours straight.
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Estara
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Posted: Thu, Jan 15 2009, 3:18 AM |
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Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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soundofastream
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Posted: Thu, Jan 15 2009, 4:12 AM |
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Joined: 21 Sep 2007
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Actually, I meant in one day's sitting, not 24 hours of straight game play.
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Elithiel Issatheerin (Shadow Elf) She who Lurks
Isolia Oussea'lylth (Sun Elf) Apprentice Wizardess
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