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The young drowess sat on the precipice once again watching over the city. The glorious Magthere sat in the center, and the occasional voice drifted up from the marketplace. She slid off of her perch and moved through the shadows into the eastern cavern to the noble house bearing the rank of first. There she left a note for the Ust'ilharess. Passing back through the Tinnerai gates, she made the rounds leaving a hand written note for house My'afin and the acting Ul'Faeruk, the Melee Magthere, the Temple, and Ussen d'Vhid. The elegant script read simply:

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The Security Insititute is reopened.
~Black

The note is seen, removed, and read by a passing drowess. She is marked with her holy symbol and a rank in the Temple, that of Yathrin. With a smirk and a shake of her head, she mutters "Too slow. And now you are discovered. Amature." With that, she tucks the note away, and goes quietly in search of any other possible postings, managing only to get the ones from the Temple, and the Magthere before disappearing back into the city, and about her business

The Ust'ilharess holds out her hand for the parchment the servant brings from the door. As she reads the elegant script a cold smile forms on her face. "It's about time. I do believe I am going to start sacrificing those that abandon their posts within my city."

She turns her attention back to the book lying open on the dark surface of her desk.

Laughter sounded in My'afin qu'ellar as Vierrae was shown one of the postings. So she seeks to reopen what's already been running? Delightful. Surely shows one's skills in retrieving the information. With a soft snort she chucked the note to the side, eyeing the other priestess with amusement. Find this 'Black'. And if needed, explain to that fool the real state of things.

Ul'ath'tallar Nizzre'tyne takes the note from wherever in is the Temple and carries it to her office. "How delightful." She mused.

Then raising her voice to be able to reach the nearest Spider Guard she called. "Oloth'Sargtlin! Find the Rothe Leshti Lo’milmar, we need more slaves to polish the outside of our Queens Temple!”

The lithe drowess slipped through the archway in front of the noble house making no attmempt to conceal her approach. She stopped in front of the guard and informed him casually.

I was summoned by the ust'ilharess. Tell her Black is here.

Gross, using your alt to run two factions and even have them interact, and under extremely suspect circumstances to boot. We generally have a "don't call out alts" rule, but for shame. This is the sort of thing that gets Drow players a bad rap, and so your behavior should be publically announced and shown to the community so they can do to you as they will, and as they should.

So yes, Drow players, there you go: Anatida is hiding under Veldriss d'Vharc as an alt account, established the VDVM under suspect circumstances to lock out another PC from doing it after finding out OOCly, approved of it on her matron alt and is now trying to have them meet to do god knows what.

Alts are a privilege, not a right, and when you abuse them, you lose any and all secrecy you attempt to afford yourself by using them (or abusing them as you tried to do here!)

Oh, and for anyone to think this is a "Oh boy, look at tormak down on the Drow post", don't. It is actually the opposite: I see a player here trying to abuse the system and as a DM and a person I know you guys are better than that. I also know you take your RP very seriously and wouldn't want someone abusing the system to steal what you guys earn by hard work!

//actually Tormack you have no idea what is going on. Or what intentions there were.

But thanks for being your usual ass, and jumping to conclusions.

Facts are facts. You play both Maral and "Black", and you have them interacting with each other quite openly here on the forums. That's against the rules. You posted on the Amiawiki to contact your character on the Veldriss account for joining the institute, implying you plan to run the VDVM faction. You can't run two factions, alt accounts or no. Faction leadership positions are restricted to one per player, not one per account.

I did post on the wiki BEFORE I knew someone else was interested in the faction. The last post was supposed to lead to a graceful way to exit. I was not trying to attempt to lead 2 factions. I was trying to get this one started.

This char started on this road in December when at the time I had no idea what was going to happen with Maral.

But again. Nobody asks. Or even bothers to say, hey don't do that!

Amiawiki VDVM page revision history wrote:

How long before? From the information we've received, the timing of both the Amiawiki page editting by you, and the original post in this thread, makes the situation even more fishy, as it's dangerously close to the time of a reported OOC conversation you had with someone else about starting up the VDVM again - their idea in that conversation, not yours. -That- is what Tormak was referring to when he said "under suspect circumstances to lock out another PC from doing it after finding out OOCly".

I don't know what timezone the wiki keeps. But it seems about right. I have the NWNlog from my interaction with the player in question, but it doesn't have timestamps. So that won't help me much, will it?

My log file was saved at 12:57am my time (CDT). My screenshots began at 10:33pm. I have placed them in an archive if anyone cares to look at the original timestamps.

The simple fact is, the other RP that Ren had been involved with had fallen off and I decided to finally move her into Edonil. I took her into the city for awhile, then I went and made the changes to the wiki. I went and mowed my yard until dark, came in showered, logged back in to play with her. I saw that Derrin was online. So she "left him a note in the academy" because she needed to finish what she considered her final SD training (he had tutored her before). About halfway through that 2 1/2 hour RP session, he asked me if I knew any good websites on the VDVM. He had no idea who Ren was in relationship to Edonil, and I had no idea he had a character that was already in a position to lead the faction.

After he posted in this thread, I considered ways that Ren could "disappear" without looking as if she had failed in the eyes of the drow. I like the char and hoped she would find another place someday. THIS is why I made the last post. If she were sent away by the Ust'ilharess, then it wouldn't look like failure.

As for it being -their- idea, again, this character was made in DECEMBER.

I realize the interaction between the two was uncouth. But frankly, this situation could have been dealt with in a myriad of other ways.

And I never went to any extreme lengths to "hide" my identity. I use the same CD keys, and post screenshots in the same place, ffs.

Khy, I GREATLY appreciate your attempts to find the facts! My attitude is not directed at you.

You're free to direct your attitude at me! I'm not the one in the wrong here abusing a system to try and create a situaiton where I am judge, jury, and executioner.

By the way, since you have a rule about permaing characters involved in metagaming, and using your alts to pass information and abuse the system like this is metagaming, does that mean tath your characters are perma'd?

Or are you above your own faction's rules?

//Tormak, don't instigate, just lock this thread if its not being used properly now.

I'm not instigating, it is a legitimate question. I am surprised you're so willing to come to the defense of someone who is breaking the rules to try and cheat the system: a system by which you had to EARN what your character got ansd she's just trying to hand herself across her alts!

Not defending or legitimising anything, it just seems unnecessary to discuss a player's actions/behavior in a public fashion.

If the reason is to get across that the action is unnaceptable or that there is a double standard then just stating that would be more effective and cause fewer issues.

Actually sorry in this situation with the use of a main account to advance the cause of an alternative accounts to advance characters for self interested goals we do everything via the public forums. Its one of the matters we take most seriously, indeed more seriously than most other matters on the server because it is inherently unfair to other players that one player uses her position to advance the goals of their alt account and characters.

Tormaks not instigating, he's basically saying "You made the rule, now follow it", DM's do have the perogative to force characters to follow faction rules and it goes to the context and honesty of the player involved as to whether they will obey their own rules.

Although it may seem uncomfortable, Equalizer, there's a reason it is being discussed publicly here. Anatida is your faction leader here and as such we have a responsibility to keep the faction players informed when their faction leader might not actually be the kind of person they want leading the faction. I know that were I a member in the faction, I would certainly take umbrage with a faction leader who, at worst, used an alt to maneuver authority and power and present a false sense of legitimacy, and at best, made out to be a micro-DM instead of actually asking the DM team to assist (which would be normal, we're bugged about it all the time). The faction players always reserve the right to vote out their faction leader with a simple majority vote of "no confidence". If it passes, the faction leader is removed from the position both IC and OOC (though not necessarily from the faction, unless that is wanted, too).

That said, I do agree partially with you, Equalizer, that this discussion should be happening on your faction forum, and not here in a place the whole server sees.

Not an faction member of Tinnerai myself currently so can't say much about faction issues there.

Either way its prefferable if the parts of this that do not involve the UD comunity in general can be dealt with through their respective channels. Anything to keep the UD as free of drama (at least the OoC sort) as possible is always appreciated.

I made no attempt to have Maral legitimize or accept Black. The last post was a huge error in judgement. I get that. But again, its only purpose was to -insinuate- that Black had a reason for desolving back into the woodwork after "making a claim".

I went to great lengths to keep the two completely separate for months. I created Black at a time when I did not think Maral was going to be around very long. I see that I should have never brought Black into Edonil with Maral still present. The decision to do so was solely backed by the drives of the character, who had been working for months towards a single goal.

So on this point I agree with Tormak. Let the players that I interact with do as they will. If they do not want to continue playing with me then there is no point in any of this, and I am willing to perma.

So I welcome their decisions. The comments of those I actually PLAY with. The people that know me. To be blunt I'm not talking about the entire server, as most of them have no clue what kind of player I am.

That's not how it works unfortunately! when you try to dupe the community, the entire community gets to comment and pick you apart however they want.

Well, despite my very minor utterly forgettable presence currently in the UD... If people don't want OOC drama in the UD, they probably should stop being reactionary and move on.

Really, the first post by Tormak, though as blunt as my kokeshi in the office, I think it was fairly reasonable. The message I see is "Don't interact with an alt of yours, because it's against the rules" and "You guys should know better. I know you're doing a lot of good RP in the UD". Whatever you say, Anatida, it doesn't change the fact that your character responded and commented on an action of your alt. Something you yourself admitted was "huge error in judgment". The reason this keeps getting drawn out is because everyone keeps reacting over details that you feel is important, but quite frankly doesn't change the fact that a rule was broken. No matter the intention.

While Yoss did remind everyone that faction players also have a say in who leads their faction, I don't think anyone is telling you to perma Maral or do anything that extreme. People who know Maral and your RP I'm sure understands the situation and appreciates your RP that you've done so far irrespective of this incident. Do yourself a favor and step away from this thread because I honestly don't think your current defense is working as you intend it to.

I did not try to dupe anyone Tormak, and just because you keep repeating it does not make it true!

If my intentions had been dubious I would not have been posting screenshots for Veldriss with ANATIDA in the url, or playing both under the same CD key.

No information was ever passed between Maral and Black. Black never even interacted with anyone in the Edonil area. Until I made this forum post her focus was in creating her own network in Underport and Caraigh.

As I have already seen proven with events around other players, truth makes no difference. So i'm done responding to you. If any player has a legit question then I will answer it.

I agree Tomato, and im done.

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