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Sighphyre
 
PostPosted: Tue, Feb 28 2012, 17:33 PM 



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So I can't seem to find much info on creatures with fey ancestry. From what I can find, a half-fey or fey touched must have a Muryan(ex-fey) as an ancestor. What I'm mostly curious about is how much do they inherit from the ex- ancestor? I'm assuming that all descendants are part of the true cycle since the Muryan must be? Does this mean they also don't belong to a court or host? And if they're part of the true cycle then surely they also don't need a cynosure? Finally do fey touched and half-fey have banes and lures?

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I wonder how it works out personality wise...........


 
      
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I'm no DM but taking fey-touched as it appears in the Fiend Folio I paraphrase a bit;

Fey Curiosity with humanoids often causes them to fall in love with such creatures. The offspring of half-fey (I imagine like tieflings the influece of strong planer energies, the Fey Wild or Fey Dark in this case, could cause a mother to give birth to a fey-touched).

Fey-touched vary wildly in appearance, some are beautiful appearing similar to elves, others are covered in warty skin and posses ungainly limbs, but all have at least one trait that marks them as something different, Overlong eyebrows, Strange colored eyes or an odd predisposition to speaking in Rhyme.

Fey often regard fey-touched fondly thinking of them as cousins.


Now this my own personal opinion but when it comes to fey-touched they are mostly mortal, worshiping a fey god, aligning ones self to a court, taking on adamantly adhering to bizarre superstitions to mimic fey more closely is entirely a matter of choice for a Fey-touched. Because like Tieflings, Assimir and Genasi they still have mortal choice to live their lives in accordance with their own desires not fey nature.


 
      
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Ravenovf wrote:
Because like Tieflings, Assimir and Genasi they still have mortal choice to live their lives in accordance with their own desires not fey nature.

Yet nature can't be completely ignored now can it?
I have a Tiefling character with Demonic ancestory, very unlogical for him to become utterly lawful. (Best working example I have. As I've never cared for Half-Feys.)


 
      
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Lord-Hadeis wrote:
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Because like Tieflings, Assimir and Genasi they still have mortal choice to live their lives in accordance with their own desires not fey nature.

Yet nature can't be completely ignored now can it?
I have a Tiefling character with Demonic ancestory, very unlogical for him to become utterly lawful. (Best working example I have. As I've never cared for Half-Feys.)


Who says you can't fight nature, the difficulty of fighting ones blood, tendencies of ones people or past is a cornerstone of countless literary works.


 
      
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While they have a choice it doesn't necessarily mean its an easy one.

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Lord-Hadeis
 
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I did say very unlogical. Not utterly or impossible.
Though it is a thing you just have to hope people play out.


 
      
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Most of the lore regarding fey, seems to have been fleshed out in the likes of Dragon Magazine with a bit in the core manuals but not a great deal. Some of the lore adopted by Amia appears to have been from the d20 system and "The Complete Guide to Fey", which, covers the idea of the cycle, deals with mortality versus immortality and so forth.

My thinking is, what would be the point of taking 'feytouched' subrace, without the joys of rp'ing out some of your ancestry and how that influences your individual character? Its definitely part n' parcel of the rp, though it maybe in your face or subtle i suppose.

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So lets make this rather clear, Part-Fey, aka, Feytouched, are not half-fey. Unless your playing a special request character, your not half fey, or even full fey. They are about as much fey as your average tiefling is demonic, or devlish. They contain a small amount of "fey" blood in their vains, usually linking them to some other creature. This can manifest itself and oddities, like strange hair colour, a slightly offish hue to their skin and other abnormalites that may relate to the fey in which their great great great great great whats-it did the dirty with. They also aren't entirely the Feytouched description, so don't go creating a character with an extra arm or something because they are feytouched.

As for "The Complete Guide to Fey". Its a bits and pieces kinda thing. It generally gives a good overview of the fey race, but not so much fey culture, and how the court system works. I suggest if you are looking to create a character, then take a look at multiple resources, or send me a PM and I'll toss you something back when I have the time to let you know what I think. Don't pick a court either if you playing a feytouched, because you shouldn't even know about it, or be thinking about it. That kind of thing should just happen.

The major focus is to remember that "Feytouched" aren't half-fey. The fey blood effects them about as much as demonic or devilish blood effect a tiefling. Its a smattering of feyness. I'd rather folks use their creative ingenuity for this, but also their common sense. Yes if your character some how got some bloody from a "fairie" then he/she may very well be a bit more spastic then your average elf.

One thing to remember is that the small smattering of blood does make them more attuned to fey things. That doesn't mean they will know stuff that fey do. But they may feel a little tingly in a fey circle, or when near a particularly old carin. They may find themselves uncomfortable, or excited for no reason.

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Thanks to everyone for the responses, especially you, Selvec, very clear and lucid answer that gives a lot of insight. And no worries, I was aware that half-fey =/= feytouched.

To chime in on the nature discussion, I imagine a feytouched wouldn't ever be able to escape their blood. They might choose to reject it for some reason but then they'd be living in reaction to it and still have the subtle (or not so subtle) tugs and pulls on their minds from the blood.

Two last questions if anyone feels like offering an opinion.
1) Can feytouched be human, as in 99% human, 1% fey, I'd assume if this was possible it'd require a request and a DC reskin?

2) Anyone got an opinion of feytouched having lures and banes?

Selvec Darkon wrote:
I suggest if you are looking to create a character, then take a look at multiple resources, or send me a PM and I'll toss you something back when I have the time to let you know what I think.


Thanks :D I'm going to take you up on this offer in the next two to three weeks when I've gotten most of my character fleshed out.

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Technically there's no reason a feytouched can't be human, at least based on the limited information I can grasp (it's a template in a Monster Manual I believe). But there's probably enough universal subraces as is. Elves would be the most common and due to their similar nature, might arguably the most likely to manifest feytouch...edness. But whether or not a human feytouched is requestable is up to people other than me, so... well I can't see why it wouldn't be, but Complete Guide to Fey is out of my reach so I don't have all the data.

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Aye it should be possible technically. Fey just as dragons or giants have enough innate magic to mate with about every possible race. However the chances that they will do so with a human might be so small compared to a liaison with an elf that almost none known feytouched humans exist.

It definitely needs to be requested where the DM will handle it further. I don't see the need for a DC reskin however, unless you want a small stature and pointed ears to be part of your fey traits.

On lures and banes, I have some on my feytouched. However I don't make them as binding as I would for a fey. Say the feytouched is lured by fenberries. If it is clearly a dangerous situation or a trap he/she will be able to resist the temptation where a full-blooded fey might just not be able to.

In general there is a lot of leeway in which fey traits are displayed and they are open to creative input and personal flair. However similar to a tiefling and aasimar feytouched will most likely have an interest in their origin. Even adapt many of their ways as a need to belong and to be rooted in their ancestry.


 
      
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Dergaii wrote:
On lures and banes, I have some on my feytouched. However I don't make them as binding as I would for a fey. Say the feytouched is lured by fenberries. If it is clearly a dangerous situation or a trap he/she will be able to resist the temptation where a full-blooded fey might just not be able to.

This makes a lot of sense, I suppose I'd figured it'd be somewhat like this.

On the human/feytouched, looking at what the Monster Manual and the Complete Guide to Fey (which has very little to say about feytouched unfortunately) say I'd be surprised if they didn't exist. I suppose what I wanted was for a DM to chime in and say something like:
"That's fine, submit a request and we'll see," or "It's possible but on the same level as a vampire, it's silly, don't waste everyone's time."
serbiris wrote:
Elves would be the most common and due to their similar nature, might arguably the most likely to manifest feytouch...edness.

Reminds me of something you said a long time ago about elemental blood only manifesting some of the time in genasi. Do feytouched follow the same pattern? As in a elf with no fey characteristics but a distant fey ancestor could produce a feytouched child?

(Sorry for what feels like a never ending stream of questions, just can't seem to find the answers anywhere else.)


 
      
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On lures and banes, I have some on my feytouched. However I don't make them as binding as I would for a fey. Say the feytouched is lured by fenberries. If it is clearly a dangerous situation or a trap he/she will be able to resist the temptation where a full-blooded fey might just not be able to.


sometimes they just might not work at all, what is a bane to one fey might not be a bane to another. The problem also with lures and banes is that it's only documented in Bastion Press which is D20. So, it wouldn't surprise me if some of the fey player base doesn't even know about them, or if Selvac will even say if they work or not on Amia. It won't stop my main from believing the superstitions though.

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I don't think human/feytouched would attain the "vampire" rating of special requests. You do get a good number of humans that are close to nature (druids, woodsmen, nomads, barbarians) just proportionately fewer than elves, whose culture as a whole is naturey. But yeah best if a DM gives the word on that.

Sighphyre wrote:
serbiris wrote:
Elves would be the most common and due to their similar nature, might arguably the most likely to manifest feytouch...edness.

Reminds me of something you said a long time ago about elemental blood only manifesting some of the time in genasi. Do feytouched follow the same pattern? As in a elf with no fey characteristics but a distant fey ancestor could produce a feytouched child?

(Sorry for what feels like a never ending stream of questions, just can't seem to find the answers anywhere else.)


I was actually going to ask a similar question to clarify. I know that planetouched including genasi are on/off, in that not every descendent of a half-fiend/half-genie's children will be planetouched (that first generation will be, unless it's with another half-fiend), and it can seemingly manifest out of nowhere, in cases where neither parent has the trait (real life example: child of right-handed parents is left-handed - though this is usually just one generation off). I would assume feytouched work the same way simply using that as a precedent for how D&D handles magical genetics. That, and if every descendent manifested traits feytouched might be as common as (or more common than) other mainstream elf brands and I have seen no indication that they are anything but uncommon/rare.

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I think when it comes to using elf as the base for fey touched its because it best represents the fey touched fey appearance, they aren't elves just elf is the best way to approximate the appearance. Just remember if the blood is too thin why not just play a Sorcerer with fey heritage and a strong love for their very distant fey ancestry.


 
      
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Ravenovf wrote:
I think when it comes to using elf as the base for fey touched its because it best represents the fey touched fey appearance, they aren't elves just elf is the best way to approximate the appearance. Just remember if the blood is too thin why not just play a Sorcerer with fey heritage and a strong love for their very distant fey ancestry.

Except, there isn't really any such thing as a "feytouched appearance."

http://www.amiaworld.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=57017

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Feytouched are a widely varied group of beings -- some are wispy and beautiful, while others are ugly and brutish. Some resemble elves, with pointed ears and almond-shaped eyes. Others look more like trolls, with warty skin and disproportioned limbs. Regardless, all feytouched have at least one feature or characteristic that is out of the norm -- vibrantly colored hair, feathered eyebrows, or a propensity for speaking in rhyme, for example. Despite their actual appearance, all feytouched are highly charismatic beings that draw attention wherever they go.

A feytouched that looks like an elf, looks like an elf because she's descended from elves. If she wasn't descended from elves, she'd look like something else.

IHMO, of course.

Of course, by my logic, Feytouched would be a universal subrace with a freakish variety of character models, which clearly isn't the case. Given the OOC limitation that Feytouched as a subrace is available only to elves, I think it would be a reasonable compromise to say that your feytouched is descended from elves unless you've requested otherwise. (Again, just IMHO.)

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Feytouched are elves-only because our subrace system was from another, less well-thought time (see the human regional subraces for example). Not much more to it than that.

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Then it should be fixed. :) (I know, easy for me to say, sitting here with my utter lack of any ability to contribute to any such fixing.) But I still think that even under that less well thought out system, if feytouched weren't meant to be elves, they'd have had their mechanical elfiness removed, like was done with the mechanical halfling-ness of pixies, kobolds, and goblins. The elfiness could have been edited out of them, but wasn't.

But of course, I bow before the superior might of the DM lorehammer. :)

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On lures and banes, I have some on my feytouched. However I don't make them as binding as I would for a fey. Say the feytouched is lured by fenberries. If it is clearly a dangerous situation or a trap he/she will be able to resist the temptation where a full-blooded fey might just not be able to.


sometimes they just might not work at all, what is a bane to one fey might not be a bane to another. The problem also with lures and banes is that it's only documented in Bastion Press which is D20. So, it wouldn't surprise me if some of the fey player base doesn't even know about them, or if Selvac will even say if they work or not on Amia. It won't stop my main from believing the superstitions though.


I'm not going to say they don't work or do work. Mostly because unless there is a DM around, a player shouldn't be forced to adhere to either. Its entirely up to the player wither a bane or lure works or not. Its flavor for your character. The only time you'll be forced to adhere to the rule is if a DM says it works or doesn't.

Though here's what I will say. If you decide your character has a bane or lure, and let another player use it in relation to your character, do not let me catch you denying someone else who has found out your fey's bane or lure, from using it against you. If you pick to have one of these, then you are stuck with it. Its not an on/off thing. If you don't want one, then fine, thats cool, nobodies going to hold that against you. But if you do, thats it. You have it, and you cannot simply switch it on/off when it suits you.

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Thank you for the reply Selvac and just to make it easier for fey/feytouched players interested in lures and banes here is a list of some of them. This is from Bastion Press D20 Faries.

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The climate and terrain must be appropriate for a given
fey to be attracted by its particular lure. It is a mystery
how the fey become aware of a lure placed out for them,
but if the proper steps are taken, they will eventually
appear.

Alcohol: The finest wines, ales, and meads are an easy
way to draw satyrs, korred, fauns, and especially cask
imps.

Black Sand: When placed inside of a large opalescent
seashell outside the mouth of a sea cave, black volcanic
sand somehow attracts water-living and water-loving fey.
Blackberry Brambles: Blackberry brambles are the
home to many small fey creatures, most notably bogies
and fairies. Because of the associations with these fey races,
some cultures forbid people to eat blackberries. Many
academics feel that the berries are a delicacy among free
bogies.

Blackthorn: For reasons not shared with mortals,
faeries hold this plant sacred. The Luantishees are
blackthorn fairies.

Bluebell Flowers: Fairies dangerously enchant fields
of bluebells in both Faerie and mortal lands. A favorite
prank among lesser fey is to make bluebells actually ring
like metal bells when disturbed either by wind or walkers
among them.

Bouquet of flowers: Sprites and pixies are drawn to
the scent and beauty of freshly bloomed flowers.
Cinnamon: Feeorin and faeries love cinnamon. They
frequently cook with it, wear perfumes infused with its
oil, and use its aroma to make a foul smelling area more
pleasing.

Clover: A four-leaf clover can break fairy spells.
Colorful Magics: Pixies and bogies are attracted to
brilliant flashes of light and color that detonate in the sky,
and illusions and lightning are more apt to attract them
than fire.

Conflict: Everything from a small skirmish to a fullscale
battle has a chance to draw the attentions of feeorin
and especially knights of the fey.
Flowers: Bundling fresh flowers together and casting
them into coastal water sometimes attracts sirines to the
shore.

Ginger: The fey, especially feeorin, love ginger. Baked
into cookies, it is an especially soothing treat. Consumed
raw, however, it has been observed to be extremely
intoxicating to mortals but far more so to faeries.

Hollow trees: In folklore, ancient, hollow trees [called
bull oaks in England, bell oaks in Scotland and Ireland]
are trees that stood in old sacred groves. They were often
believed to be the home of spirits, elves, fairies or demons.

Holly: While grown wild or in shrub rows, holly is
often only brought indoors as a seasonal decoration. Tiny
fairies are drawn to the natural decoration and use the holly
as shelter against the cold when outside. If faeries reside
in the holly before it is harvested, they could come into
homes unbidden within the holly boughs.

Love poems: Reading love poems aloud attracts any
fey within hearing distance.

Music: Like many of the arts, music is adored by the
fey. Great music, due to its aural nature, can draw fey from
afar to listen to the music and observe the performer.

Paintings: Beautiful portraits and colorful scenic
paintings hold many a feys’ interest as they marvel at the
skill and dedication it took to produce the work.

Primrose: While not a major lure, this flower has ties
with fey lore. It is a main component in extending the
durations of see invisible and second sight spells.
Primrose Ragwort: The springy and tough boughs and
vines of this plant are used as horses by fairies. Tales speak
of entire tribes of faeries uprooting an entire bramble and
galloping away collectively on it.

Rowan: A fire built from the wood of a rowan tree aids
in summoning fey creatures and enhancing divinations
about or by the same.

Sage: A bundle of fresh cut sage placed in the crook of
a tree will attract any dryads that might be in the area.

Salt: Thrown across the face of a glacier, salt attracts
fey with an Aspect of Winter.

St. John’s Wort: This herb protects the bearer against
fairy spells if worn either freshly cut or dried. This also
increases the effectiveness of dismiss fey spells.

Willow: The wind in the willows is the whisperings of
a fairy in the ear of a poet. Conversely, talking, singing, or
scrying beneath a willow tree has a greater chance of
attracting fey attentions.

Writing Implements: Bogies, pixies, and sprites find
the process of writing fascinating, and will try their hand
at it if no one is looking. Thus, any desk or scriptorium has
a chance of gaining a faerie’s interest.

Banes

With fey interests being so naturally mercurial, it is hard
to say exactly what will or will not prevent them from
entering an area or doing something. Still, like garlic
against vampires, many things evoke natural revulsions
from the fey. Other things could be more individual due
to events of the past; some fey might hate all dwarves if a
dwarf once tricked their ruler out of a treasure. Unlike the
lures above, fey rarely become aware of a bane until they
are close enough to note its presence with mundane senses.
There are also a few noted substances useful for spells
against the fey.

Alder wood: This wood is an effective adjunct
component in the casting of dismiss fey, it increases the
effectiveness of the spell

Ash berries: Placing ash berries beside a sleeping child
decreases the chances that they will be attacked by a fey
from Between. Some scholars think the smell drives away
the fey.

Bells: When attached to the legs of dancers, ringing
bells can drive away fey creatures.

Birch wood: A tool containing parts made of birch
wood reduces the chance that a mischievous fey will
disturb, misplace, or steal one’s tools.
Clothing: The act of wearing clothes turned inside out
disgusts most fey. An inside out glove tossed into a fey
ring dance forces fey to make a concentration check to
maintain the revel. Wear odd socks or turn your sweaters
inside out, and fey are less apt to approach or disturb you.
“Turn your clokes for fairy folks are in old oakes” suggests
that turning a coat or cloak inside out can help to neutralize
fey magics or perhaps reveal their presence within the
sweep of a cloak.

Cold Iron: The much-storied “death at the touch of cold
iron” for faeries is true to a point. A dagger or an iron
spike in your pocket is enough to deter any fey who might
consider interrupting your sleep. Open scissors tied above
a baby’s crib (points and blades directed up and away) is
threatening enough to hold fey at bay.

Cowslip Elder: Placing a child in an elder-wood cradle
could cause it to be pinched black and blue by fairies.
Whether they do this out of spite or not, faeries cannot
abduct a child from such a cradle.

Flax: Scattering seeds or stalks on the floor of a house
will keep a fey away. Purging Flax is also called Fairy Flax.
Holy objects: Clerical holy symbols and the prayers of
priests can repel a fey, as can holy water, prayer books,
religious reliquaries, and relics. Strangely, mold from holy
ground also repels fey creatures through both its presence
and its scent.

Red Ribbon: Red ribbons tied about the tails of
livestock or around the chests of infants dissuade the fey
from stealing them.

Salt: While fey like salt moderately as a spice, they
cannot cross a line of salt. Sprinkling an unbroken line of
salt around an object prevents a fey from disturbing or
touching something.

Silver: Carry silver coins in your pockets; holding them
helps a mortal resist any fairies that are trying to lead you
away. Throwing silver coins at faeries may cause them to
become scared and run away from you.

Water: The flow of running water sometimes stops the
Wild Hunt in its tracks, while salt water (best if from the
ocean) can sometimes hedge off spriggans.

Whistling: This drives fey creatures into fits of rage,
for while all fey can sing or dance or perform many
entertainments, they cannot whistle. fey are most jealous
of whistling above all mortal talents.


bah didn't realize this was already in the fey thread but oh well

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